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« on: June 26, 2011, 06:24:07 PM »
Fight for my amusement!

It's been a while since we had a knock-down, drag-out debate around here. Those were good times. Anybody up for a sparring match? Here's the topic (or propose your own):

Justice is:

(a) an eye for an eye
(b) to turn the other cheek

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2011, 06:39:40 PM »
Oh no you don't.
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 07:02:50 PM »
Justice is a case by case determination with both sides having adequate representation and playing by the same rules. Some general penalty guidelines if found culpable are acceptable.
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 07:09:09 PM »
But in some cases it is: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2011, 08:46:03 PM »
Quote from: jay-ell on June 26, 2011, 06:24:07 PM
Fight for my amusement!


I'll be happy to engage and rhetoric and debate for your amusement.  There's just the small matter of my retainer to discuss...
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2011, 08:48:09 PM »
The number of debates took a serious hit when Aloha Dawg left.  And Arachno hasn't been around much to spar with LFM. 

The rest of us are either too old or our opinions are too homogenous to foster a good debate.
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2011, 09:18:27 PM »
Quote from: Asherdan on June 26, 2011, 07:09:09 PM
But in some cases it is: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.

Why is it always the women who are responsible for the lamentation?
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2011, 11:19:00 PM »
are those the only choices?
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2011, 11:53:33 PM »
No! Come up with an alternative and fight for it!

Also, I saw a kid who looked very like what I imagine you looked like as a teen today, GKA. He was heading out of Target as I was going in, it was weird. I thought, "Oh, he looks like someone I know...on the internet...might have looked...fifteen years ago..."

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2011, 12:18:26 AM »
Quote from: Asherdan on June 26, 2011, 07:02:50 PM
Justice is a case by case determination with both sides having adequate representation and playing by the same rules. Some general penalty guidelines if found culpable are acceptable.

NO JUSTICE NO PEACE.

There ain't no such thing as justice in this country.

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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2011, 01:09:25 AM »
Quote from: jay-ell on June 26, 2011, 11:53:33 PM
Also, I saw a kid who looked very like what I imagine you looked like as a teen today, GKA. He was heading out of Target as I was going in, it was weird. I thought, "Oh, he looks like someone I know...on the internet...might have looked...fifteen years ago..."

Odd. Oddsfish.

ugh.  i have a very low opinion of what i looked like as a teen.  hopefully your imagination did a better job.

anyway, the matter at hand:

a) i think "an eye for an eye" is less vengeance-oriented than most people believe.  the only downfall is deciding, as a society, which eye to take and the appropriate way to take it.
b) "turn the other cheek" is equivalent to mercy, which is not justice.
c) i believe our current system, while in need of an overhaul, is the best one out there.


p.s.-

several months ago i took a gen ed english comp course in school that centered on "here are the types of arguments you should avoid while debating topics", persuasive writing, and etc..  we would always take class time to debate hot-button issues and there was always lively discussions.  i got a C because i was lame about turning in homework.  the thing that saved me was getting a B on the final paper.  i wanted to research the topic of "distracted driving" with a concentration on "texting while driving".  i knew it was going to be too easy to find sources to support an argument against it; its common sense.  so i wrote about how making and enforcing an anti-texting-while-driving agenda are useless and ineffective.
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2011, 07:56:54 PM »
What does justice even mean, man, y'know?


(Firm if somewhat theoretical advocate of turning the other cheek, but I'm not sure what justice has to do with it.)
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2011, 10:38:10 PM »
Nothing.  Its about harmony.  Justice is unnecessary if everyone gets along. Turning the other cheek gives the barbarian a chance to mend his ways.

Quote from: JorgeFabregas on June 29, 2011, 07:56:54 PM
(Firm if somewhat theoretical advocate of turning the other cheek, but I'm not sure what justice has to do with it.)
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2011, 07:16:59 AM »
It's about the almighty dollar, is what it's about. Poor man can't get ju$tice in this broke-ass country.
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2011, 01:23:58 PM »
The poor man can get all the Justice he can get up off his ass and go take.
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