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Trivial Pursuits => Sports & Leisure => Topic started by: Drygioni on August 24, 2007, 10:52:48 pm
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Alright, I know some of you guys follow this. I would hugely value intelligent, well thought out analysis regarding the current season of the beautiful game of fitba, as played on these shores.
Are Manchester United doomed to lose the title so early in the season? Which team has the sexiest players (Liverpool)? Will Rafa lose the beard? etc.
If this has no replies by the end of the season I'm going to shoot myself.
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Alright, I know some of you guys follow this. I would hugely value intelligent, well thought out analysis regarding the current season of the beautiful game of fitba, as played on these shores.
Are Manchester United doomed to lose the title so early in the season? Which team has the sexiest players (Liverpool)? Will Rafa lose the beard? etc.
If this has no replies by the end of the season I'm going to shoot myself.
Wuzzah?
Seriously, though - I would like to know more about which players are the sexiest. Barring that, I got nothing.
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Was that Beckham fella y'all exported out to our foreign shores always such a wank?
'Cause it's feeling like kinda a put on.
Ah yeah, Becks has always been a bit of a wank. A tidy footballer when he's playing well but also a cock publically and at times on the field. I think he's regretting his move to be honest; he'd started to come into his own at Real Madrid, and was looking to hold down a regular England spot. The latter looks very unlikely now that he's gone the way of most superstar footballers who are a bit over the hill.
Keep me informed as to how he does in the MLS. If reports are anything to go by he should be singlehandedly winning the league for Galaxy.
Also, his wife is terrible.
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Wuzzah?
Seriously, though - I would like to know more about which players are the sexiest. Barring that, I got nothing.
They asked the footballers themselves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1NLIAJGLkk&mode=related&search=)
We may not all speak football, but surely we can all recognise the universal body language of embarrassed macho men.
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I think he's regretting his move to be honest; he'd started to come into his own at Real Madrid, and was looking to hold down a regular England spot.
I $u$pect he'$ got no problem$ or i$$ue$ with the way thing$ are working out.
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They asked the footballers themselves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1NLIAJGLkk&mode=related&search=)
We may not all speak football, but surely we can all recognise the universal body language of embarrassed macho men.
Do they have calendars or something? Who says those guys know anything about it?
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Ohhh... hes talking about SOCCER. Americans dont like SOCCER because they like sports where things happen.
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Ohhh... hes talking about SOCCER. Americans dont like SOCCER because they like sports where things happen.
Yeah, like a guy catching a skate in the jugular.
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When you walk through a storm,
Hold your head up high,
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of a storm,
There's a golden sky,
And the sweet silver song of a lark.
Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Though your dreams be tossed and blown..
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone.
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone.
You'll never walk alone.
The reds are coming up the hill, boys,
The reds are coming up the hill, boys,
They all laugh at us, they all laugh at us,
They all say our days are numbered,
Born to be a Scouse,
Victorious are we,
If you wanna win the cup, then you'd better hurry up,
`Cos Liverpool FC
Glorious, victorious
Livvvvv- er -pool,
Livvvvv- er -pool,
Livvvvv- er -pool,
Livvvvv- er -pool............
We hate Nottingham Forest,
We hate Everton too (SH*T)
We hate Man United,
But Liverpool we love you.
We love you Liverpool,
We do,
We love you Liverpool,
We do,
We love you Liverpool,
We Do,
Oh Liverpool we love you.
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Fuck me! A fellow Liverpool supporter. Come over to England and I'll buy you a drink.
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I really know fuck all about soccer, but I usually declare Liverpool to be my team because 1) The Liverpudlian accent is awesome, 2) The Beatles, and 3) the afore-quoted You'll Never Walk Alone got sampled into that Pink Floyd song.
Listening to Liverpool supporters singing YNWA is right up there with watching the All Blacks perform the haka on things I enjoy for their ability to move me.
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Ohhh... hes talking about SOCCER. Americans dont like SOCCER because they like sports where things happen.
Uh, an NFL game takes 3.5 hours to show 16 minutes of play time. Baseball is not even worth discussing.
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Let's not fight. You're both pretty.
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Ah yeah, Becks has always been a bit of a wank. A tidy footballer when he's playing well but also a cock publically and at times on the field.
Also, his wife is terrible.
Quoted for truth. Man, Posh and Becks...well, they kinda irritate me. Especially their matching haircuts and Posh's fake tits.
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Baseball is not even worth discussing.
Well, cock and balls. We should do something about those 40 pages of fantasy baseball discussion, then!
I really enjoy watching soccer myself, but the problem is I can't watch the MLS because of that gnawing feeling of knowing that there's much better leagues out there. But I always get intimidated when trying to get into the premiership -- getting to know the players, the history, picking a team to support, etc. With a new season starting, now seems like a good time to give it another shot, though. Any ideas on how a dude might go about getting a crash course lesson on all things Charles Barkley's Premiership?
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Quoted for truth. Man, Posh and Becks...well, they kinda irritate me. Especially their matching haircuts and Posh's fake tits.
It's so hard to believe they aren't originally from LA.
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It's so hard to believe they aren't originally from LA.
Was Tom Cruise successful in converting them to Scientology?
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Was Tom Cruise successful in converting them to Scientology?
I hope so. Beckham will be a fuck*ng monster on the pitch once he's unlocked his innate psychic abilities.
Melack: Best way to get in is to watch as many games as possible, and pick the team who are most interesting/have the sexiest players. Read up a bit on them (Wikipedia?) and once you have the nasty twinge in your stomach as a result of your team losing, you're hooked.
Good news: Liverpool had a comfortable away victory at Sunderland today! With another win we will be equal on points with Chelski, and we have a game in hand against them.
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Once you have the nasty twinge in your stomach as a result of your team losing, you're hooked.
That's a pretty succinct definition there. Unfortunately, I can't put up with even more of this happening (see San Diego Chargers: 70-77, 82-91, 96-03 or Detroit Red Wings: 56-96 for Chrissakes), so I'm going to have to leave footer on the shelf. If it wasn't for Detroit's Stanley Cups, that San Diego thing would really be causing me a problem.
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DC U-Ni-Ted! (thump thump, thump thump thump thump)
La Barra Brava, La Barra Bruta,
El que no salta es hijo de puta!
Sadly, my MLS fandom has gone markedly downhill since we got a major league baseball team.
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DC U-Ni-Ted! (thump thump, thump thump thump thump)
La Barra Brava, La Barra Bruta,
El que no salta es hijo de puta!
You kiss your Mom with that mouth?
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Si, chingaso!
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Anyone been watching Liverpool? Fuck me but we look good this year. Rotation actually looks a hugely viable option this year without dropping any points because of it.
Carlos: How do you 'get' a Major League baseball team?
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Carlos: How do you 'get' a Major League baseball team?
A team moved to the area about two years ago, so now there's a hometown team for him to root for.
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I don't have a tv. I watch random games that come on a sports channel between 3-5 am at a friends. They only play the good matchups of the week, so I have only seen Liverpool-Chelsea.
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A team moved to the area about two years ago, so now there's a hometown team for him to root for.
Precisely. You have a players' strike in 1994 that ruins the best season ever for the Montreal Expos, you have them play in a shitty stadium that everyone in Montreal hates, and you give Montreal's electorate the good sense to refuse to put tons of public money into a new stadium. Throw in some DC politicians willing to jury-rig $600 million in stadium funding, and before you know it, you've got the worst team in the NL East three years running right in your back yard.
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The transfer season is over. Which leads me to a question:
Liverpool's main acquisition, explosive striker Fernando Torres, cost around £22,000,000 to buy off Atletico Madrid. That is a lot of money. How does it compare to the prices paid for players (of any sport) in the USA?
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The transfer season is over. Which leads me to a question:
Liverpool's main acquisition, explosive striker Fernando Torres, cost around £22,000,000 to buy off Atletico Madrid. That is a lot of money. How does it compare to the prices paid for players (of any sport) in the USA?
My understanding is that it doesn't work precisely the same way. It actually works differently in different sports. In the NBA (and I'm not an expert) they often make trades for contracts - i.e. to trade the impact of the contract to another team. In the NFL, big blockbuster trades will probably be for impact players or draft picks (the Herschel Walker trade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_Trade) is a great example of this - the impact was probably more than the amount you reference above, but note that a trade like this is virtually impossible now). Usually no money goes directly to the teams. There are plenty of jokey trades in triple-A ball like trading a guy for several cases of beer or what-have-you.
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The closest thing we have to that is the posting system in American and Japanese baseball. When a Japanese player wants to play in the States but is still under contract, he asks to be "posted" by his team. That's just a way of saying, "Hey, this guy's on the market. Who wants him?" When that happens, each MLB team submits a confidential bid to the player's Japanese club for exclusive negotiating rights. The team that bids the most then "wins" the right to pay all that money to the Japanese club and then negotiate a contract on top of that.
The most famous example is from this past season when the Red Sox bid 52 million to the Seibu Lions so that they could give a 60-something million dollar contract to Daisuke Matsuzaka. That's definitely the largest amount of money exchanged since the process when into effect. This posting fee is obviously a few million pounds more that the payment for Torres (£22 compared to roughly £26, or has the dollar sunk even further since I was in London?), but I would imagine that there are plenty of players brought in from other teams that cost more than Torres, right?
As far as the NBA goes, the only time you'll see a trade for money is when a good player is traded for a decent-to-bad player with a huge but expiring contract. In this sense, a team is trading talent for impending salary cap space, which they can use to spend more freely.
In football... well, football teams almost never make trades. It's really not even worth talking about. They might trade draft picks once in a while, but money usually isn't the motivating factor there.
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Precisely. You have a players' strike in 1994 that ruins the best season ever for the Montreal Expos, you have them play in a shitty stadium that everyone in Montreal hates, and you give Montreal's electorate the good sense to refuse to put tons of public money into a new stadium. Throw in some DC politicians willing to jury-rig $600 million in stadium funding, and before you know it, you've got the worst team in the NL East three years running right in your back yard.
imagine this, except for the stadium being pretty new and still awesome but somehow Not Good Enough, and you have the Hornets leaving Charlotte for New Orleans.
The BOBcats? WTF!?
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imagine this, except for the stadium being pretty new and still awesome but somehow Not Good Enough, and you have the Hornets leaving Charlotte for New Orleans.
The BOBcats? WTF!?
I will say this about the Charlotte Coliseum - it was ass ugly from the outside. That salmonish color had to go.
I felt the shockwave in my house when they destructed it.
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The BOBcats? WTF!?
Ahem. A-CAPs sports teams are nicknamed the bobcats but are actually the violets and an A-CAP athlete is a violet, not a bobcat. Ironically, the name bobcat comes from our library catalogue system called "Bobst Catalogue = BobCat." So A-CAPs teams are now not named after a flower, but a library catalogue.
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the Charlotte Bobcats are named that because their main owner/investor guy is named Bob.
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Ahem. A-CAPs sports teams are nicknamed the bobcats but are actually the violets and an A-CAP athlete is a violet, not a bobcat. Ironically, the name bobcat comes from our library catalogue system called "Bobst Catalogue = BobCat." So A-CAPs teams are now not named after a flower, but a library catalogue.
This is a lot of the reason I show up here. This is solid.
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Melack: Thankyou for putting the time into a comprehensive yet concise explanation for me, it's much appreciated.
Also, the most-ever-expensive footballer is Zinedine Zidane, who joined Real Madrid from Juventus for £46,000,000. That's around $92,000,000 dollars, of course.
Weekend Premiership News: Liverpool fuck Derby in the arse, and are rewarded with a 6 - 0 victory.
Chelsea lose! I'm grinning like a Cheshire cat.
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When a football club buys a player from another club, do they inherit the contract, or negotiate a new one? Actually, now that I think about it, do teams even have contracts? Or do the clubs just own the rights to each player and negotiate a salary every year like baseball used to do until free agency came around in the 70s?
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When a football club buys a player from another club, do they inherit the contract, or negotiate a new one? Actually, now that I think about it, do teams even have contracts? Or do the clubs just own the rights to each player and negotiate a salary every year like baseball used to do until free agency came around in the 70s?
Contracts are solely between club and player; often, a big reason for a player to join/leave a club is due to the perceived prestigiousness of said contracts. For example, a youth player in Africa on a contract worth £90 a week is going to jump at the chance for a £10,000 contract each week as a hot prospect at some Premiership Club, no matter his strength of loyalty to his local footie team.
Also, once a player over 24 (in Europe) finishes out his contract, he can go to another team for free, so refusing to sign a new contract is a viable way of moving on for some players.
The Italians have some crazy rules involving co-owing players. I will not go there.
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Okay, now what are the rules on massive orgies (http://www.kickette.com/index.php?/site/index/cristiano_ronaldo_throws_a_party/)? Because I think that's the one thing baseball and basketball are missing.
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So.
This thread didn't really go so well.
Final day of the season though! So have a League Table.
Games Goal Difference Points
1 Man Utd 38 58 87
2 Chelsea 38 39 85
3 Arsenal 38 43 83
4 Liverpool 38 39 76
5 Everton 38 22 65
6 Aston Villa 38 20 60
7 Blackburn 38 2 58
8 Portsmouth 38 8 57
9 Man City 38 -8 55
10 West Ham 38 -8 49
11 Tottenham 38 5 46
12 Newcastle 38 -20 43
13 Middlesbrough 38 -10 42
14 Wigan 38 -17 40
15 Sunderland 38 -23 39
16 Bolton 38 -18 37
17 Fulham 38 -22 36
18 Reading 38 -25 36
19 Birmingham 38 -16 35
20 Derby 38 -69 11
Other winners:
Charity Shield = Chelsea
Carling Cup = Tottenham
FA Cup = Portsmouth or Cardiff
Champions League = Manchester United or Chelsea
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I want to hear about cheers the opposition uses when playing Arsenal. Because that team name incorporates the seed of its own humiliation.
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I want to hear about cheers the opposition uses when playing Arsenal. Because that team name incorporates the seed of its own humiliation.
Funnily enough, the majority of the chants are really quite witty, in a stupid way (and often very cruel).
I'm sure you all know the famous chant "THERE'S ONLY ONE (PLAYER PLAYER)" when a set of fans are particularly enamoured or ironically displeased with a member of their team. One such player was Andy Goram. THERE'S ONLY ONE ANDY GORAM etc. Poor Mr Goram was diagnosed with a mild form of split personality disorder, and sure enough, next match:
THERE'S ONLY TWO ANDY GORAMS
Funny? No? Made me laugh like a drain anyway.
Anybody know the "The animals went in two by two" tune? The best ones are based on that, I might post them if there is sufficient interest.
(Weeps)
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European soccer chants are works of art. I threw my (small, but more-than-average-for-Americans) interest behind Liverpool, partially behind the strength of "You'll Never Walk Alone" as a theme.
Then there was this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxFjTdP5gus). You'll have to clue me in, this was done like, a year ago, right?
Not a chant, but my favorite "funny, but wrong" story was Paul Gascoigne's celebration of a goal against Celtic by miming flute-playing. The story I read it in (an Englishman trying to explain soccer culture to Americans) likened it to Mike Piazza, during his days as a Met, hitting a home run in Atlanta against the Braves and celebrating by tying two bats into the shape of a cross, planting it in the turf, and setting it on fire.
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I like watching football more than I like watching American football. Which is to say I'm not really a huge fan of either, but I'll leave Telemundo on playing football when I'm busy doing something else, and when the announcer starts sounding really excited I'll look at the TV and watch something neat happen. I don't even care about American football that much.
Baseball is good times though. I still like that sport pretty well despite Little League bat-to-the-crotch experience.
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Oh man, what about Robbie Fowler doing a fake line of coke off the backline. Classic. Plus that guy could destroy Man U.
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Slightly less famous but equally controversial this season:
Tim Cahill, Australian player for Everton, recently had his brother jailed for an awful, awful attack on someone.
Upon scoring his next goal, in a show of solidarity to his brother, his celebration was to mime breaking out of handcuffs, before running to the corner flag and beating it up.
Classy!