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Trivial Pursuits => Arts & Entertainment => Topic started by: pmcd9 on November 12, 2003, 05:31:30 am
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I escorted my 12 year old nephew to see this band last Saturday night. I was not expecting to enjoy it very much, but I found that they are actually not very good. Their fans love 'em though. They have strong appeal among 12-16 year old girls. The crowd was basically 3000 screaming kids and about 500 bored parents. They are the Backstreet Boys of Punk Rock. Ugh.
~Paul
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Isn't Good Charlotte a country western band?
Or am I thinking of some other country-themed boy band?
Reminds me of that scene in the Blues Brothers:
"You have music in this place?"
"Oh, we got BOTH kinds. Country AND Western!"
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I've had the misfortune of experiencing their music for a whole 4 minutes. And that hurt.
I am so sick of this boy-band punk/rock thing. Linkin Park and shit like that.
But, then I do a good job of avoiding it not watching TV. You ought to have words with this nephew of yours though. Maybe sit him down with a good 70's rock collection, and some weed or something.
Man I'd be such a good father...
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From today's issue of The Onion:
MTV Executive Grounds Son For Recommending Good Charlotte
NEW YORK—MTV executive Phillip Blanchard, 42, grounded his 15-year-old son Joshua Monday, after the alternative-rock band Good Charlotte failed to sustain its popularity among viewers of the cable music station. "Joshua needs to learn that his choices have consequences," said Blanchard, who took away his teenage son's credit-card privileges for the week. "Maybe next time, Joshua will think twice before over-hyping some pop-punk crap." As additional punishment, Blanchard had Joshua organize the family's extensive video library of Road Rules episodes chronologically.
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Jough, are you thinking of the Be Good Tanyas? That's the closest-named country band I can think of to Good Charlotte.
And I must weigh in as the board's token 16-year-old girl: Thumbs down, a million of them, and shaking menacingly to boot.
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Dang people. I've been exposed to GC for years as a local band before they got signed. I just have two points to clear up:
I always hear people bitching about how "they're not punk! I can't believe they say they're punk!" But you know what? I have never heard/read either Benji or Joel once claim that GC is a punk band. They might dress a little punk but that's it. And one of them (I can never tell twins apart) worked in an alternative salon for years so that explains the hair. If they get called punk by the media that's not their fault.
As far as I can tell they didn't sell out. Most, if not all, of the first album was stuff they had been playing for years. And most are true.
If you want to see a band that used to be awesome before selling out for the pre-teen girl demographic then I present to you OK Go.
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I am embarrassed that I've never actually heard any Good Charlotte, and yet I don't have any real desire to. That's my cross to bear, I suppose.
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It's OK, V. When I saw this topic title, I thought it was a North Carolina version of the exclaimation, "Holy Toledo!"
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As far as I can tell they didn't sell out. Most, if not all, of the first album was stuff they had been playing for years. And most are true.
Hey, you can play the same songs you have for years, but sell out by accepting a hideous contract, and over-producing everything you record!
Oh and appearing on all the shittiest TV shows.
But I don't know enough about them to say whether they have or not. They may just always have sucked!
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The problem is, we have these bands with semi-rebelious images and main stream music which may or may not be actually "good." So if you're outside the target market for these bands you see them for what they truly are: corporatly backed marketing tools. It's so frustrating to see a teen girl dress in the cookie cutter Avril Lavigne style, or a boy dressed like someone in Good Charlotte, or emulating the kind of behaviour they think suits this supposed "counter culture." Some marketing genus has fool these kids into paying money to feel like they're "rebelling" against their parents or "the system." But what kind of rebellion is it? It's dressing a little funny and acting a little defiant, with no real action underneath. It's a whole bunch of over paid performers with no real politics making kids feel like they're part of some counter culture.
Being lulled into inactivity is very dangerous. I was fooled like that as a teen too, because I wanted to be different, but more importantly because I wanted to make a difference. Real rebellion has nothing to do with how you dress or the music you listen to. I dressed in ways that freightened my parents, and it was a lot fun. But I'm more rebellious now in my blue jeans and t-shirt than I ever was then. I have a huge amount of anger toward these nicely packaged teen marketed rebellion groups. Young people in general have so much energy and such a great capacity for inventiveness, and this sort of non-active rebellion is an empty outlet.
Sometimes I write manefestos. I should live in a shack.
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You ought to have words with this nephew of yours though. Maybe sit him down with a good 70's rock collection, and some weed or something.
Don't think I haven't tried. It breaks my heart, but the boy just won't listen. I can't even get him to give Green Day a spin.
I do have a little 10 year old neice that has great taste. She's gonna make her uncle proud.
~Paul
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Some marketing genus has fool these kids into paying money to feel like they're "rebelling" against their parents or "the system." But what kind of rebellion is it?
But I'm more rebellious now in my blue jeans and t-shirt than I ever was then.
I should live in a shack.
I'm with you there. I used to be a goth when I was a teenager, well half the time, the rest I was a grunge freak. Which many people probably mistake me for now, since it's still, mainly, the way I seem to dress. That is, more like Kurt did than the grunge kids - ripped, faded jeans, t shirt, checked shirt or jumper. It's just what I feel comfortable in.
But I digress, much as I felt like I was avoiding any kind of mainstream image as a teen, I was forcing myself into one.
I, similairly, am far more rebellious now. I'm studying PoliSci as a way to try and put my rebellious nature, and disgust of government and society, to some use.
So, I guess I rebel in a far quieter, more grown up way now. Except for at the weekend, when I don't at all.
Oh, and if you're considering a shack - don't forget the cats. Many, many cats.
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I already have three cats. If I were single, that'd be sad - but two of them were my boyfriend's first.
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Don't think I haven't tried. It breaks my heart, but the boy just won't listen. I can't even get him to give Green Day a spin.
Truly, what is wrong with young people.
At least until they hit 12 you get a great chance to affect their taste.
But no Green Day? Man all you have to hear is Chump segueing into Longview!
Sheesh.
You should try playing him something contemporary but seminal like say, Nothing's Shocking or Superunkown, and then disown him for good if he doesn't appreciate it.
See this is what scares me about having kids someday, is what they're going to like and dislike!
And side_show - it's true that even say two cats or something are OK. It's when you're single and have like 4+ that you stop getting visitors and the neighbours start telling tales of the 'cat shack woman'.
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The problem is, we have these bands with semi-rebelious images and main stream music which may or may not be actually "good." So if you're outside the target market for these bands you see them for what they truly are: corporatly backed marketing tools. It's so frustrating to see a teen girl dress in the cookie cutter Avril Lavigne style, or a boy dressed like someone in Good Charlotte, or emulating the kind of behaviour they think suits this supposed "counter culture."
Again, I would agree if you substituted anybody else for GC. Musically I find them okay but their appearance isn't just marketing. They always looked like that. Mainly because he worked in an alternative salon and getting his hair done like that was free.
I'm not a huge fan or anything but it's annoying that one of the few bands I know isn't just marketing bullshit lumped in with Limp Bizkit and the others that are.
What's funny is OK Go was stripped of is counter cultureness for marketing reasons. I just really can't following the thinking of music executives.
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Don't think I haven't tried. It breaks my heart, but the boy just won't listen. I can't even get him to give Green Day a spin.
Truly, what is wrong with young people.
At least until they hit 12 you get a great chance to affect their taste.
But no Green Day? Man all you have to hear is Chump segueing into Longview!
Man, "Dookie" was my youthful rebellion music (mitigated only by the fact that Mom liked having it in the car). What's happening to kids today?!
Bah. I feel old.
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Pearl Jam was my youthful rebellion music. I'm sort of ashamed of that. I was into good stuff like NIN, Bob Dylan and Ani Difranco, but I had an exteme love of Pearl Jam, and I only really jumped on the Nirvana band wagon after Kurt died, which is extra embarassing. Also I dressed like Courtney Love a lot. And also sometimes like a goth chick.
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The Sex Pistols and the Dead Kennedys were my youthful rebellion music, and it warms my heart to see kids today not liking them, thinking that what they made was just "noise".
I mean, kids today like things slick and over-produced. They hate the Clash. They listen to pop instead of Iggy Pop, and the only song they know of the latter is "Lust for Life," and not because it was in Trainspotting but because it's the soundtrack for a Disney Cruises tv advert (although they leave out the "liquor and drugs" line).
Fuckers.
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You fuckers are making me feel exceedingly OLD.
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Holy crap what a sick simulpost.
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August, you're still older than even I, though, so while they can make ME feel old I can still make YOU feel old.
I wonder who the oldest fucker on the board is....
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I mean, kids today like things slick and over-produced. They hate the Clash.
I never really considered Dead Kennedys, Husker Du, Fugazi, all the US punk that I listened to from back when I was a youngun, a rebellion. I guess because there was really nothing to rebel against where I used to live. It was only around '94 that I had anything to pissed off about, and then I tended to rebel whilst listening to NIN, Ministry or Kyuss. And much else.
And I am always appalled at the overproduction of music nowadays. Some producers get it just right - Paul Leary, Reznor, Rubin (sometimes), but most of the time it is just an hideous amalgam of soft, soothing sounds put together to sound like either pop, or supposedly rock.
I had the strangest conversation at the last conference I worked on, one of the professors (well, I ended up jamming every night with 3 of them, all 70's rock and blues), the most unlikely guy, who for instance doesn't allow his kids to watch TV (a good move I know) and always seems so nice about everything, turned out to be the biggest Clash freak ever. He'd been to see them a few times, and hot into Jim Jarmusch through his film with Strummer. So we ended up spending an evening talking about The Clash and similair great music of the era.
Anyway, enough of my over-bored rambling...
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Slink, you're so close to the next user rank that the kids are all looking to you to show them what's next.
And I'm going to go over 1,000 soon. Yikes.
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Slink, you're so close to the next user rank that the kids are all looking to you to show them what's next.
And I'm going to go over 1,000 soon. Yikes.
Aaaah. In which case this will have to be my last post ever!
Well. I'll at least hit the next rank before I give you a paypal donation and have to come up with something next week (just waiting for me paycheck to come through so I don't hit my overdraft).
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Is it sad that when I was around 14, all I listened to was rap (mostly 2pac, Master P, Dr. Dre, etcetc)? to win over a boy I had a crush on?! it didn't even work either and I was so disappointed that I had wasted all those years listening to rap till he moved my sophmore year ...argh. the reason I got so behind on good music :)
At least I never entirely -rebelled- ..I mean, yes, some rap is rather intense with the cursing, sexual content, violence, etcetc, but me and my friend put our energy towards making a parody radio station out of it all where I get shot a lot between commercial breaks and such ..that was more fun than angst filled ;D
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I am glad I don't plan to have kids. see, my musical tastes lately are rather elitist and well, it would about kill me if the kid ended up liking some horrible new pop act or some such ..of course, who knows what'll be "in" in the future honestly.
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They listen to pop instead of Iggy Pop, and the only song they know of the latter is "Lust for Life," and not because it was in Trainspotting but because it's the soundtrack for a Disney Cruises tv advert (although they leave out the "liquor and drugs" line).
Before you make generalizations about my generation....
I started screaming at the TV when I first (and subsequently) saw that spot. "It's Iggy! Those lyrics are from William Burroughs! And now it's endorsing Disney! Aaugh!"
So I'm not really in agreement with making these broad judgements, though god knows I spend enough time decrying my peers for being utter fuck*ng vapid wastes of skin, especially as far as taste in music is concerned. I consider myself a music geek, I listen to obscure indie as a point of pride, and I like to know things (namely, everything) about what I listen to, I constantly try to find music to listen to that I've never heard of, and generally I have attitudes towards music that are, I've observed, fairly unusual for my age.
So while there is a huge repulsive mass of morons listening to their simple simple moron music, there's also, even at my small-town high school, some musical diversity. Mind you, the only people I really communicate with are the subcultural types, but there's a cello-genius prog rocker, some metal-listening guys, a few classical guitarists, two indie rockers, some fairly convincing punks, and a fairly large subset of people who listen to obscure techno/trance.
At the risk of writing the longest post ever (it's already my longest), I very much agree with the majority of you regarding punk... I find it utterly perplexing what's called punk these days and it wouldn't be entirely out of character for me to rail bitterly about what the hell is this crap and why are they listening to this when there's Stiff Little Fingers, the Buzzcocks, the X-Ray Spex, and tonnes of other rad genuine punk kicking around.
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Stiff Little Fingers
"Is that the new Green Day?"
I was so impressed, when I discovered my mom (who likes stuff like Kyuss, Desert Sessions, Chris Cornell, QotSA, Sublime, NIN and Masters of Reality) turned out to like The Buzzcocks too.
It gives me hope that good taste may be genetic in my family, since my brother has pretty much the same taste in music as me, and when he doesn't, I play him it and he gets into it. Only he ahs enough money to seriously collect albums!
If he wasn't so busy/lazy I'd be able to get far more copies of cds.
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I am glad I don't plan to have kids. see, my musical tastes lately are rather elitist and well, it would about kill me if the kid ended up liking some horrible new pop act or some such ..of course, who knows what'll be "in" in the future honestly.
See, this is why I'm going to have to marry a fellow dork. If we set up a united front of They Might Be Giants in the home, our kids are either going to have to comply or revolt in a really disgusting, scary, Snoop-Dogg-related way that I'll at least be able to laugh off.
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a united front of They Might Be Giants in the home
That's my upbringing right there. Your kids will end up A-OK.
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See, this is why I'm going to have to marry a fellow dork. If we set up a united front of They Might Be Giants in the home, our kids are either going to have to comply or revolt in a really disgusting, scary, Snoop-Dogg-related way that I'll at least be able to laugh off.
And then once you've got on who's got great taste, if you have another kid 6 years later, they're likely to inherit the others taste. If they get on at all that is.
Story of my life.
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See, this is why I'm going to have to marry a fellow dork. If we set up a united front of They Might Be Giants in the home, our kids are either going to have to comply or revolt in a really disgusting, scary, Snoop-Dogg-related way that I'll at least be able to laugh off.
And then once you've got on who's got great taste, if you have another kid 6 years later, they're likely to inherit the others taste. If they get on at all that is.
Story of my life.
Aha! see, I'm an only child; I had no one to latch onto since my parents aren't really into that great of music (IMO) and neither were my friends at the time beyond one friend where, when she'd play it, I'd pretend I didn't at all like due to my crushing boy rap phase; it would've killed my cover ..hah. once that boy moved away and that friend just left (cause she turned into a weird druggie snob), I quickly got into all that music I pretended to dislike and all was well ...sort've :)
The guy I like now talks about how a lot of the "old" music I'm just now discovering, he liked when younger due to older siblings and better friends. that explains it all :D
..not that I entirely regret the silly phases cause then I wouldn't have a thing to say except "yep, I liked good music always." now at least I can talk about the insanity ..I won't even get into the country phase I encountered before the rap one ..that was quite a jump!
At least there's a chance that if there are kids in my future (I still hope not), they might get out of the new pop hit or whatever they encounter that is really bad since I did ..there's always hope!