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Achewood => Achewood => Topic started by: Arachno-capitalist on November 23, 2008, 09:44:12 am
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That... wasn't worth the wait.
Alternate title: Everyone agreed to give him a scholarship
In philosophy class we were talking about morality and such, and that guy who "saved" the other guy on the NYC subway by jumping on top of him came up. The teacher read the story at the end of class as some kind of example of someone who acted selflessly, but I rebutted that immediately after this deed, the dude went around for weeks collecting checks, putting on a media parade, and acting in a completely distasteful way. Maybe sometimes people should listen to the otter.
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I mean... yeah. It's a... Phillipe strip all right.
In the third panel, though, he looks nothing like Phillipe and a whole lot like Charlie Brown trying to take a shit to no avail.
Like in that one special, y'know, "You Should Really Eat More Fibre, Charlie Brown!"
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Yeah, not up to Phillipe's usual standards. It's almost like the otter is descending into self-parody.
Probably a bad idea to start but... A-CAP: I'm assuming the subway guy could have known at the time he would benefit from his risky action (I don't know what actually happened in this story)? That he was ultimately better off doesn't have any affect on the morality of his decision making.
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That was wonderful. That was funnier than a guy immediately rebutting his philosophy professor.
On a more serious note, I found a pamphlet the other day which spelled out the dangers of New World Order planted teachers in our schools teaching evolution. If that happens to any children reading this, you should immediately ejaculate: 'Then how come nobody's ever seen a giraffe-monkey?'.
Ting!
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Probably a bad idea to start but... A-CAP: I'm assuming the subway guy could have known at the time he would benefit from his risky action (I don't know what actually happened in this story)? That he was ultimately better off doesn't have any affect on the morality of his decision making.
That's essentially what the prof said. But I wonder if it is still considered a selfless action if you take every possible option to capitalize on it as opposed to just doing it and considering that the reward in itself. I am trained to judge people by their actions, not their words. When Mr.X "saves" Mr.Y from an accident, and then spends months trying to collect benefits from that action, I am only left to understand that saving him wasn't worth it to Mr.X, that he is acting in a way to collect more benefit from the action than it gave him itself.
Surely it is improbable that he saw a man having a seizure on a train platform and thought "I can make bank on this", but that is how he is acting. We have various members of this board explain that they donate certain time and resources to various causes, and I do, too. But I don't hear many people here saying "GIVE ME MONEY, GIVE ME THINGS, GIVE ME PROPS FOR WHAT I DO". No, truly charitable action is its own reward.
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He can have made an initially selfless decision and still shamelessly exploit it after the fact. Just because he was selfless before doesn't mean he can't be a douche now and vice versa.
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I'm just glad Philippe doesn't live in a place with a subway.
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Philippe is eternally vigilant against the perils of hubris.
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I seem to remember the subway hero being pretty gracious and turning down money until someone offered his kids scholarships. I'm too hung over to do actual research at the same moment.
I think the debate of whether or not actions can be *totally* selfless or not isn't very relevant outside of church or philosophy class (like I said... church). But actions have a greater or lesser degree of selflessness. I really think attempting to reduce all human behavior down to economic calculations is kind of absurd. If the presumably selgiraffe motivations of the subway guy were his primary motivation, then nobody else on that platform could have been similarly motivated by checks and fame, or else they'd have done the same thing, right? Do you really not think it's possible that in the second or two he had to act, his thoughts were simply "oh shit! that guy needs help!" And yeah, afterwards he got his, but that's like saying heroic soldiers only do it for the medals. That's bullcrap.
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I think what's important is his motive when he took action. If people want to throw money at him for being a hero why should he turn it down?
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Philippe made the right choice. One of the most depressing magazine features I've ever read was a New York Magazine piece (http://nymag.com/news/features/30636/) that details how subway hero Wesley Autrey's post-heroic life was this sad nightmare in which the highlights were "the friends and family looking for handouts, the money problems, the identity questions, and the lawsuit." And the predatory "media representatives" looking to take his money and his nickname.
"This is the Part Where the Superhero Discovers He Is Mortal" (http://nymag.com/news/features/30636/) (New York Magazine, April 2007)
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I think the debate of whether or not actions can be *totally* selfless or not isn't very relevant outside of church or philosophy class (like I said... church). But actions have a greater or lesser degree of selflessness. I really think attempting to reduce all human behavior down to economic calculations is kind of absurd. If the presumably selgiraffe motivations of the subway guy were his primary motivation, then nobody else on that platform could have been similarly motivated by checks and fame, or else they'd have done the same thing, right? Do you really not think it's possible that in the second or two he had to act, his thoughts were simply "oh shit! that guy needs help!" And yeah, afterwards he got his, but that's like saying heroic soldiers only do it for the medals. That's bullcrap.
I would call them "selgiraffe" motivations. Maybe egoist, but not selgiraffe. Yes, they don't save each other's lives for medals, but they do do it for a reason. Egoists believe that the reason would be that they like their friends, and if they die, sadness would ensue.
See how Philippe refused to let his ego be fed? That was to feed his ego. That was to reassure himself that he is a good person.
I don't know if psychological egoism is true. Wikipedia says something about science proving it isn't true. *shrug*
But anyway, I think you can reduce all human behaviors to calculations; consciousness does not transcend the laws of the Universe. I don't really see why it would. Yes, a person can rebel if someone predicts that person will behave in a certain way, but that was because you just provided extra stimulus (predicting what the person would do and telling him.)
You should read Notes From Underground.
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None of philosophy matters.
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None of philosophy matters.
How nihilistic of you.
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We believe in nothing, Lebowski.
Ja, nothink.
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We believe in nothing, Lebowski.
Ja, nothink.
None of that movie matters.
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You are all cowards.
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We believe in nothing, Lebowski.
Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Carlos, at least it's an ethos.
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None of that movie matters.
Danny, you're out of your element!
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Danny, you're out of your element!
And so are you, Donny!
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And so are you, Donny!
Yeah but inev's name is Dan not Don, so I thought it was funnier that way.
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Yeah but inev's name is Dan not Don, so I thought it was funnier that way.
And so am I, Doccy.
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Ah fuck it.
Let's go bowling.
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Lets. I've been wanting to go bowling ever since I watched Lebowski in preparation for Lebowski fest then couldn't make it. Dang, I am jonesing to do some bowling.
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What is this Dr. Pepper can nonsense and why are they better than chubbs?
Also, why should I care?
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When you're above-the-call-of-duty interesting, people can give you one.
When you're being pointlessly douchey, such as saying "Also, why should I care?" they mysteriously disappear.
Whoops, there goes one now.
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They are an entirely arbitrary measure that we only ever really play with when people start talking about them. The more people talk about them the more people start to mess with them. That isn't meant to sound threatening (it would be kind of sad if it were) just that literally talking too much about cans will cause people to start thinking too much about cans and we've been there before.
I kind of miss when Jough would arbitrarily make it so they added and removed huge numbers at a time.
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They are better because they contain delicious soft drink.
I assume this makes them better, anyway. I don't know what chubbs are so I can't really judge.
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Pretty sure it's erections, if Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey has taught me anything. And it has. Oh, it has.
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Oh, right. Erections are definitely better than Dr Pepper.
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You guys are what people on the Internet call "newbs".
Stupid soda cans. Stupid soda cans. Stupid soda cans.
Oh noez! I has no soda canz left!
:(
The chub/lame system is far superior in every way, including the fact that it just sounds funny.
It's from Assetbar. Ask Asherdan. He knows all about them.
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<thoughtfully fingers onion offence card>
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Ok, now you are a troll.
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You guys are what people on the Internet call "newbs".
I think this is the nicest thing anyone here's ever said to me.
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Sometimes I feel like ruta bagas is the only person who understands me.
I'm still not a troll guys . .. I just don't get the weird Dr. Pepper nonsense.
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I mean, like, okay.
It is one thing to be covered in vomit. Sometimes we throw up! We've got a cold, we've been forced to watch Scary Movie 2 by someone who hates us. Perhaps we've been dancing a little too lustily with Lady Spirit. And, of course, we puke from time to time.
Everybody pukes! It's not okay but it is understandable. These things happen.
We can't go down every avenue to prevent ourselves from being covered in vomit and time makes fools of us all.
It is quite another thing to be that one fratboy who is so out of his mind that he thinks it is AWESOME that he's puking. "Oh gosh," he imagines, "how manly must I be to have drank so much Milwaukee's Best Ice that I'm vomiting! Christ, I'm the good goddamn life of the fuck*ng party!"
Going around, covering everything with the half-digested chunks of his deepest shame and thinking that everyone thinks you're goddamned rad and edgy for the doing.
Okay?
That is basically an analogy toward speaking well of the assbar: an already ugly comments system that threads in a manner designed to make people give up on the internet, all the uglier for fancying itself a message board and conducting itself in short crude comments-length bursts that in their form and function could reduce philosophers into discussions of "nice strip, I farted!" "OMG, I farted too!" "I liked the strip more than you guys and I say this in a manner wherein I hope to gain favour with the strip's creator... AND I CRAPPED MY SHORTS!" and so on.
It is one thing for you to show up here, vile crusties still not quite all wiped from your mouth, apologizing for throwing up all over the place, swearing up and down to never mix Grape Pucker and Windex as a shooter again. We're good folks around here, we might even hold your hair over the toilet if you have an aftershock.
But the longer you're walkin' around making gut puddles and acting like that makes you King of the Sock Hop, the more we're gonna assume you're a goddamned troll.
Dig?
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There's this little number under the name each member has chosen to post messages under, and the little number represents how many imaginary little cans of Dr Pepper that member has in their possession. Accompanying this little number are two little bits of clickable text; these may not yet be visible to you. The one on the left makes the number go up, which can be conceptualized as giving the person in question one of the aforementioned cans, except that it does not require your number to go down. The one on the right makes the number go down, which can be conceptualized as taking one of those cans away and throwing it to the ground in a disgusted manner so that it sprays all up the walls and makes everything all sticky. That is not an innuendo.
This is all you really need to know about the basic system. You are free to assign any further significance to the little number that pleases you.
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I can't find the blog post that was the original source of "tiny can of Dr Pepper." This is upsetting to me. Paging Cort.
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Its on this board system? Or the previous one?
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I thought it was from a post on Ray's blog, where Teodor says something to him about a tiny can of Dr Pepper.
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Tiny cans of Dr Pepper are awesome. What more is there to know?
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Sometimes I feel like ruta bagas is the only person who understands me.
I'm still not a troll guys . .. I just don't get the weird Dr. Pepper nonsense.
It's just our name for Karma. I think if you go too far into the negatives it starts to interfere with your ability to post, especially new topics, but I'm not actually sure.
Carlos, I'm sad to report I don't remember the Tiny Can origin. But I'm pretty sure it was Bozack's fault.
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Cort, we don't care if you remember it, we want you to find it.
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I feel obligated to post this link: http://orezscu.blogspot.com/2005/10/rays-mind-menses.html
I believe that was the origin. All it makes me do is pine for the days of yore when the blogs were updated several times a week. That may have been the height of Achewood for me - the blogs at that time were consistently better than the strip. I mean, Mr. Bear's trek across Russia, the risotto wars (pretty sure that carried over into the strip too, though), Lyle sober in the all-girls school.
Good times, good times.
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I think that the board's use predated that blog and that we thought Onstad was messing with us when he wrote that.
Edit: Appears that I am wrong. Sigh.
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I feel obligated to post this link: http://orezscu.blogspot.com/2005/10/rays-mind-menses.html
YES. Thank you. I swear I searched T's blog for "pepper" and it came up empty.
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I gave as many sodas as I could beause I want to be friends. :)
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Well, well, well. Fancy meeting you here, sje.
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I gave as many sodas as I could beause I want to be friends. :)
Want us to like you?
Be clever. Be witty. Be brash, obscure, rude, cutting, pretentious, insightful, pithy, polished, knowledgeable, gruff or whatever you like. Just be entertaining.
Talking about cans is boring.
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Oh shiiiiit. It's invasion of the assbar snatchers.
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Do I have to be worried about my assbar? Because it took a long time to gauge this thing up. I normally am pretty comfortable hanging out here sans ******, but now I'm not so sure.
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Sucks to your ass-bar.
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Oh man.
Does everyone remember what the most boring part of being fifteen and on the internet was? Other than ASCII porn.
That's right... message board wars. For Christ's sakes, no. How about no?
Let's not do that at all.
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Oh man, I never really saw much ascii porn but I do recall waiting for what seemed like ages for a single picture of a nude lady to download, then realizing that the picture was so completely not rude at all.
That frustration may have been what pushed me towards erotic stories for a few years there.
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HOLY CHRIST STOP BEING SO HOSTILE
Seriously. I come here just to be on yet another forum, and all you guys can do is keep calling me a troll, which is clearly not my intention. I defended Assetbar because you were calling people there complete morons. . .which they definitely are not. Then I joke around about the cans thing and you guys jump down my throat about that. It is boring to talk about cans. Well it's your system! Jeez. I gave you all cans instead of taking them away for a reason. How does that indicate a message board war? It doesn't.
People on Assetbar talk about you like you're all Comic Book Guys, and I kinda see it. I just wanted to see if you were really like what they said you were like, and you guys are just so hung up on my being from Assetbar. Just shut up already. Jesus.
Also: Hey rowboat. Sup, dude?
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Be... cause ending it by tacking on an omnious shout-out to some other dude from assbar with the suggestion that behind him there are legion...
That ain't trolly at all. *eye-rolly emoticon*
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you guys are just so hung up on my being from Assetbar.
Is that like being from history?
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Be... cause ending it by tacking on an omnious shout-out to some other dude from assbar with the suggestion that behind him there are legion...
That ain't trolly at all. *eye-rolly emoticon*
You... are being... kind of... ridiculously paranoid.
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Or... AM... I?
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I think so. Assetbar is not exactly 4chan.
(Attack, 4chan, attack!)
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in before not your personal army
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rule 1 and 2
only newfags care about rule 1 and 2
etc. etc.
Can we get back to cat cocks now?
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all you guys can do is keep calling me a troll
I was only trying to help.
I... I thought we had an understanding.
Don't you want to be best friends?
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Talking about cans is boring.
That's exactly what I thought! (http://touamb.com/index.php?topic=3746.0)
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People on Assetbar talk about you like you're all Comic Book Guys, and I kinda see it.
OK people the bickering and insulting is getting old but at least bicker and insult comprehensibly. I have no idea if that is meant as an insult and I don't know what a "4chan" is and refuse to Google in order to follow a stupid argument.
Either play nice, or bicker interestingly, already.
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OK people the bickering and insulting is getting old but at least bicker and insult comprehensibly. I have no idea if that is meant as an insult and I don't know what a "4chan" is and refuse to Google in order to follow a stupid argument.
Either play nice, or bicker interestingly, already.
4chan is credited with creating PLEASE, DO NOT MENTION THAT HERE. As well as stuff like Rickrolling, but the PLEASE, DO NOT MENTION THAT HERE thing alone is bad enough.
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No need to bicker any longer, 'cause look what was just posted on the Achewood page:
Multiple blog updates over the Thanksgiving holiday, beginning with A Journey Into Reason
Christmas came early, motherfucker!
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I half expect to see:
"Happy Thanksgiving! Blogs have been moved the Achewood Premium section."
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You shut your mouth!
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But he's just talkin' 'bout getting shafted!
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I Googled PLEASE DO NOT MENTION THAT HERE and the top result was this thread (http://touamb.com/index.php?topic=4475.30).
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lolcat is a filter for a word we are not to say on here, is why.
it has to do with laughing cats.
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That's my thread!
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lolcat is a filter for a word we are not to say on here, is why.
Wait.. what the hell just happened?
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Wait.. what the hell just happened?
lоlcats wear rоbоt pаnts?
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PLEASE, DO NOT MENTION THAT HERE, *****s
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It always warms my heart to see people having fun with typography.
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But it doesn't look like inev was being free and crazy with typography.
Also the whole point of his post was to explain what the filter was, unfiltered it makes no sense.
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yeah. what?
maybe because I did not capitalize?
LOLcat?
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I think my eyes are screwed up.
But my position will remain that inev is trying to mess with your head with his lolcats shenanigans until I have reason to believe otherwise or I forget that I have a position. Most likely the latter.
More to the point, I'm disappointed in the lack of typography-fun. Let's talk about typography instead.
So, how about those ligatures?
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two of my good friends are in a typography class, and it seems like just the coolest thing.
they are pretty sick of it, though.
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yeah. what?
maybe because I did not capitalize?
LOLcat?
I think it has to be all one word and plural.
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OK people the bickering and insulting is getting old but at least bicker and insult comprehensibly. I have no idea if that is meant as an insult and I don't know what a "4chan" is and refuse to Google in order to follow a stupid argument.
Either play nice, or bicker interestingly, already.
The Comic Book Guy is an overly critical nerd on the Simpsons. I figured most people would understand this reference.
I am not a /b/tard by the way.
Also, happy Caturday.
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In philosophy class we were talking about morality and such, and that guy who "saved" the other guy on the NYC subway by jumping on top of him came up. The teacher read the story at the end of class as some kind of example of someone who acted selflessly, but I rebutted that immediately after this deed, the dude went around for weeks collecting checks, putting on a media parade, and acting in a completely distasteful way. Maybe sometimes people should listen to the otter.
Jesus said of charity, "Let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing". Of course, lookit the media campaign he's had going for the last two thousand years...
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Jesus said of charity, "Let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing". Of course, lookit the media campaign he's had going for the last two thousand years...
And when most people describe an entity (a person, a company) as one where "the left doesn't know what the right hand is doing," we mean it negatively. So maybe what we're saying is "fuck charity!"
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sje46
Scrambles the Dog
Tiny cans of Dr Pepper: 56006
alright, wat? srsly.
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He's been a good boy so Santa gave him a warehouse full of tiny cans of dr pepper.
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See this is the kind of can related shenanagins I approve of. People arguing about arbitrary metrics of value is no fun when they increase and decrease in a logical and predictable fashion.
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So you're a stock trader then?
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Just like real life, except less arbitrary.
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sje46
Scrambles the Dog
Tiny cans of Dr Pepper: 56006
alright, wat? srsly.
56007 actually. Nothing succeeds like success.