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Trivial Pursuits => Arts & Entertainment => Topic started by: pmcd9 on December 10, 2003, 03:26:25 pm
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I bought the latest Coldplay disc with the big hit single on it and it is really dreadful. I guess it was wishful thinking that it would be actually good, but i've been longing for some good music to enter the mainstream. Even the hit single, which I had only heard snippets of, isn't that good. It's gotta nice hook, but that's about the only bright spot. After one listen I was bored with it. The rest of the album is just plain bad. My first impression was it's 'Muse light.'
~Paul
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The rest of the album is just plain bad. My first impression was it's 'Muse light.'
~Paul
Indeed, that's pretty much the conclusion I came to.
The hook, well, is the entire fuck*ng song... What the hell?
Muse on the other hand I do quite like, and on further inspection they look fuck*ng rad live! Which is quite something for a band I, you know, quite like.
But back to Coldplay...
I really dislike them. What I think I dislike more is the fuck*ng hype. They're everywhere. And now everything American, which I though could be imported to us sans Coldplay, now features... fuck*ng Coldplay.
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Are we talking about A Rush of Blood to the Head here, or do they have a new album out?
If the former, I like it OK. Not the greatest thing ever, but listenable. I like "God Put a Smile Upon Your Face." I liked "Clocks" until it popped up every-freakin-where.
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Eh. A lot of my indie-rocker buddies are into Coldplay, but I could never really dig the dumb twinkly guitars... I just dont think their whole faux-80s thing works too well. Not that I remember much of the 80s. It's really all just conjecture on my part.
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Indeed, that's pretty much the conclusion I came to.
The hook, well, is the entire fuck*ng song... What the hell?
Muse on the other hand I do quite like, and on further inspection they look fuck*ng rad live! Which is quite something for a band I, you know, quite like.
But back to Coldplay...
I really dislike them. What I think I dislike more is the fuck*ng hype. They're everywhere. And now everything American, which I thought could be imported to us sans Coldplay, now features... fuck*ng Coldplay.
That's the way it is these days. A good band like Muse gets stiffed by America while Coldplay gets huge. The same thing happened in the 90's. shit bands Oasis and Bush were massive whereas the great Pulp never got noticed.
~Paul
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shit bands Oasis and Bush were massive whereas the great Pulp never got noticed.
~Paul
Well. I never really rated Pulp either.
Yuo have to understand that the whole godawful BritPop thing just made me want to bury my head in asphalt.
I didn't want anything more of it! And Pulp were like the rebellious BritPoppers. Or, just as annoying but slightly smarter.
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shit bands Oasis and Bush were massive whereas the great Pulp never got noticed.
~Paul
Well. I never really rated Pulp either.
Yuo have to understand that the whole godawful BritPop thing just made me want to bury my head in asphalt.
I didn't want anything more of it! And Pulp were like the rebellious BritPoppers. Or, just as annoying but slightly smarter.
I agree. Catherine Wheel crapped on all of the above-mentioned bands - and let's drag Blur into this as well - from a height of several miles, and alls it got 'em was a hot cup of bargain bin.
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... a hot cup of bargain bin.
You had better believe I'm working this awesome little choice of words into my lexicon, although it has more of a backhanded, you fuck*ng well deserved it, yes I'm looking at you, Linda Perry of Four Non-Blondes' ill-considered solo album feel to it, rather than you were criminally overlooked / underloved.
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You have to understand that the whole godawful BritPop thing just made me want to bury my head in asphalt.
I didn't want anything more of it! And Pulp were like the rebellious BritPoppers. Or, just as annoying but slightly smarter.
The first thing I thought when I read this was hey now, I quite liked a lot of Britpop - and then immediately upon composing a response, I had to realize that, no, I really didn't. I just like Suede quite a bit, and my mind sort of filled in the blanks. The best thing about Pulp were Jarvis Cocker's interviews, for example.
The whole Britpop thing, especially here in the States, was just weird - I've seen bands I adore (like Lush and Saint Etienne) tarred quite unfairly with that particular brush. Okay, I admit, defending Lush's last album is a thankless and filthy task, but I'm up for it.
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... a hot cup of bargain bin.
You had better believe I'm working this awesome little choice of words into my lexicon, although it has more of a backhanded, you fuck*ng well deserved it, yes I'm looking at you, Linda Perry of Four Non-Blondes' ill-considered solo album feel to it, rather than you were criminally overlooked / underloved.
Thanxabundle, Saint, but I do mean criminally overlooked/underloved.
Maybe there needs to be another phrase, like hot cup of cramming-the-bins-at-SecondSpin, for ill-considered musical ventures.
But let's leave Zwan out of this.
ETA: and Coldplay too!
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We've been warned ya'll, we gotta stay on topic. You must remember to mention in your post how much Coldplay sucks.
~Paul
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That's the way it is these days. A good band like Muse gets stiffed by America while Coldplay gets huge. The same thing happened in the 90's. shit bands Oasis and Bush were massive whereas the great Pulp never got noticed.
Shameful confession: I rather like Bush, but only in the same way I like Green Day and power metal about dragons -- for really shameless, brainless angry-guitar fluff.
Back on-topic... Coldplay sort of just washed over me. I have no particular opinion one way or another, truth be told.
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There was the very odd bit of Bush off of Sixteen Stone that wasn't bad. But in general, they suck and Gavin Rossdale is a pretentious twat!
Oh, and don't worry about on topic here. As long as it's music it's all on topic.
I mean, you can't be expected to not discuss other music in a thread started about one band.
Or more, I can't be expected to, and I'm in charge, so there!
:smoke:
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Shameful confession: I rather like Bush, but only in the same way I like Green Day and power metal about dragons -- for really shameless, brainless angry-guitar fluff.
Mmmmm....power metal about dragons. Yesssssssss. Just thinking about it makes life better. Now I'm gonna have to go put in my Lost Horizon CD.
On-topic: All my musician friends raved about Parachutes when it came out, and I like the first few songs on it just fine, though the CD tends to see a lot more wear-n-tear in my wife's Honda.
The aforementioned friends later said that Rush of Blood... was almost devoid of memorable songs, so I stayed away. I liked that one commercial that that song was in. Whatever that was.
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... the same way I like Green Day and power metal about dragons -- for really shameless, brainless angry-guitar fluff.
Good grief, you would probably love Falconer (http://www.metalmeltdown.com/Reviews/falconer2001.html). I had a friend once that had a straight-up irony-free love affair with this album. How many times can you be forced to listen to "Lord of the Blacksmiths" on a simple car trip to Whataburger? You'd be surprised!
Coldplay sort of just washed over me.
I could not think of a better way to express The Coldplay Experience, so to speak. I picked it up (from the library, saving myself the proverbial Buck Or Two) and the cover art was all lovely and I'd heard the glowing Radiohead comparisons &c &c &c -
How did this band ever release a single? How does anyone ever manage to tell one song from the next? It's all just so... this is future Lite FM.
I also spotted a Tag Team / Coldplay mashup on Kazaa entitled "Whoomp! Clocks It Is". No fuck*ng idea as I didn't download it, and cannot even begin to imagine.
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There was the very odd bit of Bush off of Sixteen Stone that wasn't bad. But in general, they suck and Gavin Rossdale is a pretentious twat!
I once tricked someone in desperate search of Indie Cred into purchasing the floppy little third-term abortion that is Razorblade Suitcase "...because Steve Albini had recorded it."
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... the same way I like Green Day and power metal about dragons -- for really shameless, brainless angry-guitar fluff.
Good grief, you would probably love Falconer (http://www.metalmeltdown.com/Reviews/falconer2001.html). I had a friend once that had a straight-up irony-free love affair with this album. How many times can you be forced to listen to "Lord of the Blacksmiths" on a simple car trip to Whataburger? You'd be surprised!
Oh, dear Lord. Well, I'm downloading the demo MP3s; I will probably die of desperately attempting to balace good taste -- "V," I will say to myself, "you really like R.E.M., and Radiohead, and real bands" -- with ironic enjoyment.
I also spotted a Tag Team / Coldplay mashup on Kazaa entitled "Whoomp! Clocks It Is". No fuck*ng idea as I didn't download it, and cannot even begin to imagine.
It is a shame for the world that you didn't download this. I will bug a friend with Kazaa until I have a copy.
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I'm guessing "Coldplay" is the name of a band?
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Wow. That Falconer song was T-N-T.
Still, Lost Horizon are my boys. Any band from Sweden who dress like extras from Isaac Mizrahi's Vikings and have names like Preternatural Transmogrifyer are my kinda dumb. Talk about guilty pleasures. If Awakening the World had come out when I was fifteen, it would have been my favorite album of all time.
For a review that states the case better than I can, scroll halfway down this page: http://www.aquariusrecords.org/cat/l7.html
To see the magic firsthand: http://www.oncelosthorizon.com/frameset.html
Oh, yeah, and Coldplay.
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I once tricked someone in desperate search of Indie Cred into purchasing the floppy little third-term abortion that is Razorblade Suitcase "...because Steve Albini had recorded it."
Ouch.
I tried to get my brother to buy the Nelly Furtado album, because Paul Leary (producer of Sublime and Tweaker) produced.
He was wise though.
And, I guess, your mention of indie reminding me, that is the issue.
Coldplay are the current holders of the indie crown. And that is what became indie in the UK - BritPop.
I swear, indie mags and labels were dying by the hundred when Oasis became all that was indie. When Stone Roses were second in line to being the most noted indie band around. When, jesus christ, Blur were competing with Oasis to be the number 1 indie band that week.
The independent chart disappeared.
It was horrible!
But now Coldplay are the replacement for what Oasis did, for what Blur were, and for what Radiohead always managed to avoid being.
And I'm not even that fond of Radiohead anymore. I still like them, though haven't heard much of the last two albums.
I still thing The Bends was a seminal album of its time and place, and bits of OK Computer are stunning.
But basically, I'm more into rock than I ever was anything else.
So basically all that was saying - instead of going for indie cred, I always avoided rock cred, because that was like the uncool way of having rock cred. If you know what I mean.
It's not really possible to have world music cred is it?
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On-topic: All my musician friends raved about Parachutes when it came out, and I like the first few songs on it just fine, though the CD tends to see a lot more wear-n-tear in my wife's Honda.
I was the same way. My musician friends mainly play rock and punk but they universally raved about Parachutes. I bought it for a rocker for her birthday and she proclaimed it best gift. Weird.
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And I'm not even that fond of Radiohead anymore. I still like them, though haven't heard much of the last two albums.
This happened to me, as well, only I made it held out a bit longer - tracking down some of the "why oh why wasn't this considered good enough for an LP" b-sides off of The Bends and OK Computer played a big part in sustaining my interest. I haven't heard note one off of Hail to the Thief - I just haven't been interested. After playing Amnesiac to death, I just feel like I've heard all the Radiohead I care to hear, ever. (The videos are, however, by and large things of grace and beauty.)
But basically, I'm more into rock than I ever was anything else.
So basically all that was saying - instead of going for indie cred, I always avoided rock cred, because that was like the uncool way of having rock cred. If you know what I mean.
Trite as it sounds, I pretty much cut myself loose from a group of friends because their heads had disappeared completely up their own asses in this pursuit of indie cred. They fell all over themselves to profess their love and devotion for crap like Tenacious D and Andrew W.K. (the musical equivalents of fuck*ng knock-knock jokes) because it gave them cache and a cozy, brand new shiny set of catch phrases and cultural touchpoints to massage each other with. Suddenly it was indie to rock, etc etc. DURRR I'M JACK BLACK AND HAVE YOU MET MY DEAD hoss
The Fall at their top-dollar best (which is horrifyingly often) rock harder and better than anything, and yet almost cancelled their Houston show after selling only... twelve tickets. HIIIIIIIPSTERS, COME OUT AND PLAAAAAAAAY
It's not really possible to have world music cred is it?
Z to the A to the M to the MOTHERfuck*ng FIR; I was down before he was AS SEEN ON TV
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Z to the A to the M to the MOTHERfuck*ng FIR; I was down before he was AS SEEN ON TV
Alright, now Zartan's my internet crush too.
Coldplay.
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"why oh why wasn't this considered good enough for an LP" b-sides off of The Bends and OK Computer played a big part in sustaining my interest.
I did the same. Ended up with a cd full of live and unreleased Radiohead, which I listened to more than the albums.
As for Andrew W.K., my friend's father was bought a copy by one of his friends for his birthday, and just came home and looked at us and said "Is this a joke?". How you get any kind of cred for listening to that cockknocker. And I'm sorry, but it is the only word applicable to the man... thing...
Ugh.
As for world music there, if ANY of you ever see Radio Tarifa playing near you, drop everything and go. They are fuck*ng superb!
They jam better than anyone I've ever seen. And they're just superb.
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I once tricked someone in desperate search of Indie Cred into purchasing the floppy little third-term abortion that is Razorblade Suitcase "...because Steve Albini had recorded it."
Ouch.
I tried to get my brother to buy the Nelly Furtado album, because Paul Leary (producer of Sublime and Tweaker) produced.
He was wise though.
And, I guess, your mention of indie reminding me, that is the issue.
Coldplay are the current holders of the indie crown. And that is what became indie in the UK - BritPop.
I swear, indie mags and labels were dying by the hundred when Oasis became all that was indie. When Stone Roses were second in line to being the most noted indie band around. When, jesus christ, Blur were competing with Oasis to be the number 1 indie band that week.
The independent chart disappeared.
It was horrible!
But now Coldplay are the replacement for what Oasis did, for what Blur were, and for what Radiohead always managed to avoid being.
And I'm not even that fond of Radiohead anymore. I still like them, though haven't heard much of the last two albums.
I still thing The Bends was a seminal album of its time and place, and bits of OK Computer are stunning.
But basically, I'm more into rock than I ever was anything else.
So basically all that was saying - instead of going for indie cred, I always avoided rock cred, because that was like the uncool way of having rock cred. If you know what I mean.
It's not really possible to have world music cred is it?
I don't give a flying fuck about 'cred' in the first place. I listen to what I like, and I probably listen to a lot of music that a hipster would find apalling. So if listening to Andrew WK is what it takes to get 'cred,' then by all means count me out
~Paul
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I just find it funny that AndrewWK tickets/CDs are constantly involved in radio station give aways even though I have never heard a single second of him actually on the radio.
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'Tan, I can't believe you're not down with the 'D.
I don't know if Tenacious D brings street cred, but what I do know is that I've enjoyed them since I saw them on the Mr. Show Spinoff show on HBO.
All three episodes.
I even bought their new DVD that has all of the episodes on it with a full live concert (which was also very funny) and a bunch of other stuff.
But the D isn't really a musical act as much as a comedy act. I mean, do you get indie cred by listening to old Richard Pryor albums too?
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I even bought their new DVD that has all of the episodes on it with a full live concert (which was also very funny) and a bunch of other stuff.
Funny you should mention this, my housemate brought a copy home last night and I sat watching it, mesmerized, for way too long.
Funny stuff, The D.
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Damn. Think I have to try and track me down that DVD!
That is less the tracking and more than waiting til I have money...
As for cred, and Paul's comment, I think one of my favourite bands to listen to on the subject, would be Masters of Reality, who are just so unfashionable.
There's something about them. They're great, and they don't sound, well, I don't know how to describe it. But you can't really picture them being listened to on the radio, and it just fills me with glee for some reason.
I too absolutely shun listening to music for cred. I was just saying is all... Doesn't stop me talking about it.
Hell, people at gigs I've done have been noticably pissed off with my choice of music, because most of the people who DJ rock tend to play singles and M2 videos, but I refuse to stick to that. I will play whatever seems right after whatever I just played. And if I can get the crowd into something they don't already know, all the better.
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I don't know if Tenacious D brings street cred, but what I do know is that I've enjoyed them since I saw them on the Mr. Show Spinoff show on HBO.
To be fair, I've heard this - that their album can only really be appreciated if you'd seen the comedy sketches. I never have - so when their album came out, it was as though all these (otherwise somewhat reasonable) people were suddenly transformed into hilarious rock fan stereotypes, all dropping their voices two octaves when discussing the D, throwin' the horns and generally acting like every idiot that ever set shopping carts on fire behind the old K-Mart in high school. The album itself has its clever moments, but eh - there's a reason I don't have my old Weird Al cassettes in constant rotation. I realize that it's all supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, to some extent - but some people don't seem to realize this; good lawd, y'all.
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At the risk of showing myself as the idiot, I do have Weird Al in rotation. And Tenacious D, and Strong Bad Sings, and that entirely too big collection of videogame remixes I got from http://www.ocremix.org. I like real music, but I tend to listen to silly meta-music instead. I think it might be because I genuinely like listening to the mindless thumps that Nelly plays on the radio, but I don't care to listen to mindless lyrics unless the artist was aiming for mindless. I can take Al's self-depricating "It's getting rotten here, you'd better hold your nose." a lot easier than Bon Jovi's straight faced "With an iron clad fist, I wake up and french kiss the morning." I mean, come on. How would that even work?
I like punk's clever lyrics, but I don't like it's annoying sound. I guess I just have trouble getting into any music 'scene'. They all just seem silly to me. And the things I like listening to seem silly to everyone else. I listen to musicals. I love them. I eat them right up. When this one guy wants to kill this other guy so he can avenge his family and win back his girl, and then he decides to sing a song about it, that speaks to me. Moreso than champagne supernovas and shaking things like polaroid pictures.
Am I musically illiterate? I've been a bit overexposed to classic rock and have enough rap under my belt to feed a family of four. Are there genuinely great bands out there? Bands that don't misspell words like biscuit and corn and demand to be taken seriously?
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Bands that don't misspell words like biscuit and corn and demand to be taken seriously?
Anything Josh Homme has ever worked on - Kyuss, Queens of the Stone Age, Desert Sessions (particularly DS).
They don't try to be taken seriously. The lyrics are aimed at being fairly mindless, no punk messages here. And the music itself is taken seriously enough to be fuck*ng genius. And it's not always taken that seriously...
"Oh Honey I know that you can and will lick my doo" to the tune of odd circus music circa the 1930s as a secret track to the seminal (and I mean that in the the-whole-damn-album-just-glides way) Welcome to Sky Valley.
But hey, I'm just, well, music is my life. I could just about cope without my computers (and they're the other half of my life, and connected to music in all but one way) if I could still have music and not be bothered by anything else.
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I just find it funny that AndrewWK tickets/CDs are constantly involved in radio station give aways even though I have never heard a single second of him actually on the radio.
My only experience listening to AWK was his appearance on SNL. I thought what the bloody hell is this jackass doing jumping around the stage like that. He's like a rock and roll Tigger. And the music (if you can actually call it that) sounded like a f'n construction site. I felt like i'd been assaulted.
~Paul
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At the risk of showing myself as the idiot, I do have Weird Al in rotation. And Tenacious D, and Strong Bad Sings, and that entirely too big collection of videogame remixes I got from http://www.ocremix.org. I like real music, but I tend to listen to silly meta-music instead. I think it might be because I genuinely like listening to the mindless thumps that Nelly plays on the radio, but I don't care to listen to mindless lyrics unless the artist was aiming for mindless. I can take Al's self-depricating "It's getting rotten here, you'd better hold your nose." a lot easier than Bon Jovi's straight faced "With an iron clad fist, I wake up and french kiss the morning." I mean, come on. How would that even work?
I like punk's clever lyrics, but I don't like it's annoying sound. I guess I just have trouble getting into any music 'scene'. They all just seem silly to me. And the things I like listening to seem silly to everyone else. I listen to musicals. I love them. I eat them right up. When this one guy wants to kill this other guy so he can avenge his family and win back his girl, and then he decides to sing a song about it, that speaks to me. Moreso than champagne supernovas and shaking things like polaroid pictures.
Am I musically illiterate? I've been a bit overexposed to classic rock and have enough rap under my belt to feed a family of four. Are there genuinely great bands out there? Bands that don't misspell words like biscuit and corn and demand to be taken seriously?
Pedro Picasso is my new internet crush.
~Paul
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Are there genuinely great bands out there? Bands that don't misspell words like biscuit and corn and demand to be taken seriously?
None that I'm aware of. I think rock music will become to future generations what swing was to our parents' generation. ( Especially since hip-hop seems to have swallowed the music world whole. )
I don't see anyone doing anything greater than offering variations on styles that have come before. And frankly, that's fine with me. There are entire universes of music waiting for me to discover them - in the realms of classical, jazz, country, etc. - and, well, if I've never heard it before, then it's new to me. I can still listen to Mob Rules when I want to jump around.
Coldplay.
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My only experience listening to AWK was his appearance on SNL. I thought what the bloody hell is this jackass doing jumping around the stage like that. He's like a rock and roll Tigger. And the music (if you can actually call it that) sounded like a f'n construction site. I felt like i'd been assaulted.
~Paul
I saw the same show and agree with you completely. AWK is for people who find AC/DC too cerebral.
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I think rock music will become to future generations what swing was to our parents' generation. ( Especially since hip-hop seems to have swallowed the music world whole. )
I don't see anyone doing anything greater than offering variations on styles that have come before. And frankly, that's fine with me. There are entire universes of music waiting for me to discover them - in the realms of classical, jazz, country, etc. - and, well, if I've never heard it before, then it's new to me. I can still listen to Mob Rules when I want to jump around.
Pop music is the Borg. Eventually (and it's already well underway) Hip-Hop will be fully assimilated. Rock music will never become yestedays flavor because rock=pop. Right now rock and hip-hop are having some platform issues, but it'll work itself out eventually. I guess what i'm saying is Hip-Hop is rock music, it just hasen't realized it yet.
As for exploring other universes, man, that's what I live for. Every so often I'll return home to the waiting arms of the music of my youth, but most of my time is spent abroad searching for that new sound to capture my heart. I'm like a butterfly hunter on safari. Of course the life of a safari hunter is fraught with pitfalls. For every Fairport Convention or Ry Cooder (my latest new loves) you discover there are 100 Coldplays.
~Paul
Coldplay.
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Pop music is the Borg. Eventually (and it's already well underway) Hip-Hop will be fully assimilated. Rock music will never become yestedays flavor because rock=pop. Right now rock and hip-hop are having some platform issues, but it'll work itself out eventually.
Wellllllllll...I agree with you, but by that time rock will have mutated into something that I don't want to listen to. In fact, it already has.
Being a wanky guitar geek, I subscribe to all the guitar magazines. And it seems like every month there's a new band that dresses like they're getting ready to go snowboarding, whines about the angst they're suffering at the mall, and couldn't find a hook if you threw them through the window of a fuck*ng tackle shop.
Not that I long for the return of Dokken or anything, y'unnerstand, but I'm just going to wear my trousers rolled and listen to Fair Warning again. Fine with me.
OK, I do long for the return of Dokken.
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Props on Ry Cooder. Nice one.
Haven't listened to Fairport Convention in a loooooong time though. Might have to try them again, see how well they've aged.
As for Rock being Pop, I think only some is.
Well, OK, most of today's rock is. All the crap you get played on MTV is. And even some sneaks in that isn't pop, but appears it. It will however fade out of recognition in a couple of years and stop being pop.
That's why I like to note the difference by referring to poprock. Kind of like poprocks but without the unnerving fun (OK, as a kid at least).
Basically, I think any rock that is not striving to be now, and happnin', is not pop. There are a few bands around at the moment that are genuinely just making good music.
I do agree though, that most of the good music is a lot older. Most of the rock I listen to (except for the joyous Homme and Lanegan catalogues) is from pre 1990.
But if you listen to either Kyuss (Homme) or some of the Lanegan solo work (here for instance (http://www.furnation.com/krychick/fade/mlbsessionitaly.mp3) a superb session of four tracks live on Milan Radio - including two Lanegan originals (Sleep With Me and Mockingbirds) and a Neil Young (ick) cover - Cinnamon Girl and Johnny Cash - You Wild Colorado.) you will see that there is music some good rock that is not going for the dollar.
Ok Lanegan hasn't been entirely rock for most of his solo work, but Homme has, and Lanegan's new album is more rock that he has been prior.
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Pop music is the Borg. Eventually (and it's already well underway) Hip-Hop will be fully assimilated. Rock music will never become yestedays flavor because rock=pop. Right now rock and hip-hop are having some platform issues, but it'll work itself out eventually.
Wellllllllll...I agree with you, but by that time rock will have mutated into something that I don't want to listen to. In fact, it already has.
Me either, but someday (hopefully soon) a new musical savior* will come along to kick the money changers out of the temple ala Kurt Cobain. Then he'll reinvent pop music and you'll be a happy top 40 listener once again.
Lest I sound like the stereotypical fuddy duddy bemoaning the sorry state of the music the kids listen to i'll point out there's a lot of current music I like.
~Paul
*It ain't The White Stripes or The Strokes.
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*It ain't The White Stripes or The Strokes.
Thank you for noticing! It ain't Radiohead either.
I'd like to hope there's going to be a savior. I'm not holding my breath. And, as you can tell, I don't mind sounding like a stereotypical fuddy duddy.
Don't own much Ry Cooder, but his playing in the Buena Vista Social Club movie was the most inspiring guitar playing I've heard in a long time.
Fairport Convention. I need to get one of their records. The Pentangle, too.
Coldplay? Dokken? I'm confused.
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... if you listen to either Kyuss (Homme) or some of the Lanegan solo work you will see that there is music some good rock that is not going for the dollar.
I owned Kyuss' Welcome to Sky Valley for a while. Never really grew on me, "Gardenia" excepted. They seemed like the halfway point between Sonic Youth and Danzig. ( No offense intended. )
Friends of mine swear by Lanegan's Whiskey for the Holy Ghost, but I've never warmed up to it.
But the last QOTSA record is great ( the first four tracks are, I've yet to make it past that point due to whiplash issues ), and I'm curious to hear this new Desert Sessions CD.
Coldplay. Danzig. Dokken. Help.
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But the last QOTSA record is great ( the first four tracks are, I've yet to make it past that point due to whiplash issues ), and I'm curious to hear this new Desert Sessions CD.
I've found, so far, only one other person who has really warmed to Lanegan.
I think Field Songs is possibly the album to try first. It's more accessible.
Songs for the Deaf is superb. Although in some ways, a few tracks aside, I think their previous two are even finer. The first album being very influenced by Canned Heat to me, which Josh's new side project - Eagles of Deathmetal helps prove realistic. It is described, by him, as 'Bluegrass stripclub music with canned heat vocals'. It's classy.
The new Desert Sessions disc is on solid rotation at the moment. Some stunning tracks on it. I Wanna Make It Wit Chu, is just... It's a song so good it makes me speechless. So I go put it on again and sing along.
Also, the new Lanegn record in February has PJ Harvery on too, whch I have been demanding in my head for a long time.
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Thank you for noticing! It ain't Radiohead either.
Putting personal feelings aside, I agree with you. I love Radiohead, but there are many who can't stand them. The savior must be loved by all (or at least most). Ultimately he'll be rejected, but not before his work is done.
~Paul
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The savior must be loved by all (or at least most). Ultimately he'll be rejected, but not before his work is done.
I kind of dread the thought of liking someone everyone else likes, just because I know the awful cack that sells more than anything I listen to.
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Something about listening to lots of show tunes
Um, JL, you never told us that your husband was gay.
Something about Andrew WK
I first saw him on SNL too, and laughed the entire time. I thought it was one of the funniest skits they'd ever done. Then I heard that there was an album and that it was a real guy/band. Huh.
Go figure.
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Putting personal feelings aside, I agree with you. I love Radiohead, but there are many who can't stand them. The savior must be loved by all (or at least most). Ultimately he'll be rejected, but not before his work is done.
~Paul
Oops, I forgot, you're the big Radiohead fan on this site. I apologize for being obnoxious.
The Bends is a great album, and I loved OK Computer to death. It was rare to find a band that not only knew how to write great rock songs but also did something different with guitars. Seeing them in '97 at the Wiltern was an absolutely amazing experience.
So when they followed up with two albums that had maybe three great songs between them and almost no guitars, I maybe bummed out a little. Especially when everyone else treated them like they were, er, saviors or something. If I want to listen to a bunch of electronic beeping I'll put on my Aphex Twin record. I haven't even bothered with Hail to the Thief yet.
Dokken. Radiohead.
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Something about listening to lots of show tunes
Um, JL, you never told us that your husband was gay.
He's not, he's a actor. You know, college theatre and all that...hey, wait a minute...
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The savior must be loved by all (or at least most). Ultimately he'll be rejected, but not before his work is done.
I kind of dread the thought of liking someone everyone else likes, just because I know the awful cack that sells more than anything I listen to.
It's rare, but it happens. About once a generation there is an artist that stands clearly head and shoulders above the rest and is loved by all.
~Paul
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It's rare, but it happens. About once a generation there is an artist that stands clearly head and shoulders above the rest and is loved by all.
~Paul
But let's leave Eminem out of this, shall we? :wink:
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I first saw him on SNL too, and laughed the entire time. I thought it was one of the funniest skits they'd ever done.
I'm glad it wasn't a skit because it would have recurred 10 times by now and been made into a movie.
~Paul
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Something about Andrew WK
I first saw him on SNL too, and laughed the entire time. I thought it was one of the funniest skits they'd ever done. Then I heard that there was an album and that it was a real guy/band. Huh.
Go figure.
Me to my man: Why are you buying that Andrew WK CD? Don't buy that CD. You can't possibly actually want to listen to it.
Him (less than a month later): Even the used music store won't buy this Andrew WK CD, I'll just leave it here on this dumpster lid.
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The Bends is a great album, and I loved OK Computer to death. It was rare to find a band that not only knew how to write great rock songs but also did something different with guitars. Seeing them in '97 at the Wiltern was an absolutely amazing experience.
So when they followed up with two albums that had maybe three great songs between them and almost no guitars, I maybe bummed out a little. Especially when everyone else treated them like they were, er, saviors or something. If I want to listen to a bunch of electronic beeping I'll put on my Aphex Twin record. I haven't even bothered with Hail to the Thief yet.
Ya see, I'm in the camp that loves Kid A/Amnesiac. It would easily be their best except for the fact that OK Computer is one of the greatest albums ever made. I'm only slowly warming up to The Bends. It's good, but Pablo Honey is meh, ok, I guess.
Hail to the Thief is in the OK Computer vein, but not as good.
~Paul
COLDPLAY SUCKS
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I think the creepiest thing about Andrew WK is his earnestness -- apparently he is the only one not in on the joke, despite his being the joke. He has an interview in The Tenacity of the Cockroach, the collected Onion A.V. Club interviews, in which he honestly appears to believe he is some sort of musical Messiah figure of rock. How does this even work? How can one think of oneself this way? Even Gene Freakin' Simmons manages more self-understanding than that.*
Part of me wishes for a rock messiah, but part of me realizes I probably wouldn't like him anyway and would still just listen to my R.E.M. and Fruvous and stuff. (Part of me wholeheartedly believes that New Adventures in Hi-Fi was the rock-messiah record, but nobody noticed.)
* So I'm exaggerating a little. One thing I will admire Gene Simmons for is that he appears to be entirely in on his own joke, and that I can respect.
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I am a big Radiohead fan (they're my favourite still extant band) and I thought Hail to the Thief was one of their best, right after "OK Computer" in my book.
Kid A was good but uneven. Amnesiac was mostly pretty bad, with a few flashes of goodness thrown in.
The Bends is the best pop record of the 90s, and their first album was practically a grunge record. I mean, they were lumped in there with Pearl Jam and Nirvana back when "Creep" was the big single.
LOOK HOW FAR THEY HAVE COME AS ART-ROCK WEIRDOS NOW
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I am a big Radiohead fan (they're my favourite still extant band) and I thought Hail to the Thief was one of their best, right after "OK Computer" in my book.
All this Hail to the Thief stroking up in this thread is seriously making me consider running right out and downloading it, even though I'm not sure my personality would remain Sufferable after another orgiastic Radiohead binge.
Kid A was good but uneven. Amnesiac was mostly pretty bad, with a few flashes of goodness thrown in.
Both grew on me; the first five notes of Kid A I have listened to one thousand times and the emotional impact - that of everything is okay and softly lighted and authoritatively narrated - hasn't yet diminished. It is a thing of comfort. I can't say the same for any Amnesiac track; that album set out to deceive, lull, and unsettle. Both albums were redeemed, I'd think in anyone's eyes, by that Live Recordings disc they put out. I guess that in a live setting they had no choice but to peel away the pretense and admit that they had gone ahead and written another batch of beautiful, human songs.
The Bends is the best pop record of the 90s
Don't get me started on Street Spirit. PRAISEBOT COME BACK HERE THIS INSTANT
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*Mentions Moxy Fruvous*
*squealing with glee*. I was just telling a friend today how I used to like them a lot, and once after seeing them at a folk festival, I saw the extremely attractive (http://www.angelfire.com/sk/avocado/images/moxy.jpg) lead singer getting lunch, and followed him around quietly for a while, without the courage to talk to him.
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*Mentions Moxy Fruvous*
*squealing with glee*. I was just telling a friend today how I used to like them a lot, and once after seeing them at a folk festival, I saw the extremely attractive (http://www.angelfire.com/sk/avocado/images/moxy.jpg) lead singer getting lunch, and followed him around quietly for a while, without the courage to talk to him.
Jian = sex, yes. My good lord yes. (That said, I also like Murray quite a lot, albeit not for the same reasons.)
Silly Canadians and seeing MF live! Now that I'm finally somewhere where they toured, they apparently aren't doing it anymore. Bah!
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the first five notes of Kid A I have listened to one thousand times and the emotional impact
From memory I agree with you there, despite my overall disappointment with the album.
And listenign to it again it's still somewhat there. Not quite as I remembered it, in terms of magnitude, but good all the same.
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Me to my man: Why are you buying that Andrew WK CD? Don't buy that CD. You can't possibly actually want to listen to it.
Him (less than a month later): Even the used music store won't buy this Andrew WK CD, I'll just leave it here on this dumpster lid.
I think this slipped past everyone. I just wanted to point out that it gave me a chuckle.
~Paul
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I think this slipped past everyone. I just wanted to point out that it gave me a chuckle.
As me. Though I did think there were far worse things I'd liek to do to the CD. But then it shouldn't even deserve that much attention!
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In defense of Coldplay, they are much better than AWK.
~Paul
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I think the creepiest thing about Andrew WK is his earnestness -- apparently he is the only one not in on the joke, despite his being the joke. He has an interview in The Tenacity of the Cockroach, the collected Onion A.V. Club interviews, in which he honestly appears to believe he is some sort of musical Messiah figure of rock. How does this even work? How can one think of oneself this way? Even Gene Freakin' Simmons manages more self-understanding than that.*
* So I'm exaggerating a little. One thing I will admire Gene Simmons for is that he appears to be entirely in on his own joke, and that I can respect.
I was totally into Kiss when I was 14 and I saw them in concert. I got over them soon after that. On their farewell tour (yeah right, somebody cue Dan Hicks How Can I Miss You If You Won't Go Away) I happened to be passing the venue in my car and caught sight of the kids waiting in line for the doors to open. Except they weren't kids at all, they were mostly my age. These are the same people who were digging them 25 years ago and never got over it. I thought how weak is your mind that when you were a teenager and acquiring culture, this is as far as you got. 'No need to look any further, I've got Kiss now and that's all i'll ever need*'. It was truely a depressing site because Kiss is still huge. That's a lot of people with arrested development.
~Paul
*That and AC/DC
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I was totally into Kiss when I was 14 and I saw them in concert. I got over them soon after that. On their farewell tour (yeah right, somebody cue Dan Hicks How Can I Miss You If You Won't Go Away
This reminds me of a suggestion by one of my friends: musicians, like furniture stores, should be held to their advertising. In other words, if you go on a "farewell tour," it actually has to be your last tour ever. Similarly, there would be a maximum time limit on farewell tours, to prevent "farewells" that take 25 years.
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I thought how weak is your mind that when you were a teenager and acquiring culture, this is as far as you got. 'No need to look any further, I've got Kiss now and that's all i'll ever need*'. It was truely a depressing site because Kiss is still huge. That's a lot of people with arrested development.
I don't know, I thought about going in '96. Largely because I never got to see them put on the full show illustrated in the foldout of KISS ALIVE II, the first record I ever bought. However, by the time they rolled into town, I had read enough reports about how Gene and Paul financially raped everyone involved, from Ace and Peter down to the road crew, so I blew it off.
And saw the Sex Pistols reunion instead.
When Kiss decided to just keep on going, however, I thought What are YOU still doing here? Just take your money and go away.
I agree with V: if you go on a farewell tour, that's it. If you return for another farewell tour, your bus is destroyed by a Stinger missile while traveling from the Continental Airlines Arena to the National Car Rental Center.
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Did anyone else find the "Family Guy" episode where they go to the KISS concert? Paul SO hit it on the head....where do they find 2XL "extra husky" Kiss costumes and Orthopedic Demon Boots? It's sad to see these extremely rounded heads trying to emulate the narrow and vertical makeup these guys were wearing.
And although the chicks looked kind of hot in the 70's doing the KISS thing, now it's just - - well -- sad that they can't acknowledge the two great forces that work on us all. Time and Gravity.
Especially Gravity.
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I think this slipped past everyone. I just wanted to point out that it gave me a chuckle.
As me. Though I did think there were far worse things I'd liek to do to the CD. But then it shouldn't even deserve that much attention!
You've warmed the cockles of my heart folks, I just found it so funny that he couldn't bare to throw it out, he had to set it on the dumpster, not in it.
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Did anyone else find the "Family Guy" episode where they go to the KISS concert....
The best part of that Family Guy is the "Kiss Saves Christmas" special that we get to see little bits of.
As for Coldplay, I did like Yellow, but nothing else that I've heard of them seems good. And there's something so unappealing about the lead singer - he looks like someone I could beat up, and would probably enjoy beating up, even though I have few violent tendancies. There just this certain quality - a smarmyness-that I find highly destracting and yet mediocre. To me, Coldplay is the florescent light of music.
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You've warmed the cockles of my heart folks, I just found it so funny that he couldn't bare to throw it out, he had to set it on the dumpster, not in it.
The dumpster would've rejected it. Spit it right back out like those nude photos of Whoopie Goldberg.
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You've warmed the cockles of my heart folks, I just found it so funny that he couldn't bare to throw it out, he had to set it on the dumpster, not in it.
I picture him having great, overblown dreams about how the CD will be taken in by good Samaritans and, over a long and eventful journey, will finally find its real family and be loved forever.
"I'm sorry, Andrew WK CD, I'm so sorry I couldn't love you the way you deserve... be free, be free!"
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You've warmed the cockles of my heart folks, I just found it so funny that he couldn't bare to throw it out, he had to set it on the dumpster, not in it.
I picture him having great, overblown dreams about how the CD will be taken in by good Samaritans and, over a long and eventful journey, will finally find its real family and be loved forever.
"I'm sorry, Andrew WK CD, I'm so sorry I couldn't love you the way you deserve... be free, be free!"
You are so very right, after placing the CD on the dumpster we went out for dinner and afterwards he insisted on checking to see if the CD had been claimed by some passing stranger and, indeed, it was gone.
We used to regularly put things on the dumpster just below our apartment with funny signs. Last year we put a doorstop santa on the dumpster holding a sign that read "NOT SOILED!" He was gone in less than 5 mins.
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We used to regularly put things on the dumpster just below our apartment with funny signs. Last year we put a doorstop santa on the dumpster holding a sign that read "NOT SOILED!" He was gone in less than 5 mins.
Sweet.
I totally love doing things like that. I'd want to hook up a webcam so I could see it gettign taken, but it takes some of the fun and mysticism out of it.
I know have the image of a fat little Santa looking around him to check it's clear, before hopping down from atop the dumpster, to waddle off casually down the street, dropping his sign on the way.
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I know have the image of a fat little Santa looking around him to check it's clear, before hopping down from atop the dumpster, to waddle off casually down the street, dropping his sign on the way.
That's a great image!
Actually the reason I discarded him was because he was skinny and had long floppy limbs and creepy google eyes just like the guest strip by anon. We peeked out our window as the car pulled up. The Driver pointed at the santa, and he and Passenger had a brief conversation. The Passenger got out grabbed the santa, and they drove away.
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We peeked out our window as the car pulled up. The Driver pointed at the santa, and he and Passenger had a brief conversation. The Passenger got out grabbed the santa, and they drove away.
This is a priceless story.
I like the one about the dumpster CD getting taken, too. The sad thing is that it probably did go to a better home, as someone who would take a CD from on top of a trash can would probably enjoy Andrew WK more than the guy who put it there.
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The sad thing is that it probably did go to a better home, as someone who would take a CD from on top of a trash can would probably enjoy Andrew WK more than the guy who put it there.
Ha, ha! But a guy who lives IN a dumpster would enjoy it even more.
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The sad thing is that it probably did go to a better home, as someone who would take a CD from on top of a trash can would probably enjoy Andrew WK more than the guy who put it there.
Ha, ha! But a guy who lives IN a dumpster would enjoy it even more.
Because there is science here:
!I_Like_To_Party = {I live in constant fear of being crushed alive in the bowels of a huge filthy truck}
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Because there is science here:
!I_Like_To_Party = {I live in constant fear of being crushed alive in the bowels of a huge filthy truck}
Well, when you live your life from hand to mouth on the street, fearing death from a thousand varied and horrible directions, if you must party, you will always PARTY HARD.
(Yes, I'm ashamed of myself, too.)
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Because there is science here:
!I_Like_To_Party = {I live in constant fear of being crushed alive in the bowels of a huge filthy truck}
Well, when you live your life from hand to mouth on the street, fearing death from a thousand varied and horrible directions, if you must party, you will always PARTY HARD.
(Yes, I'm ashamed of myself, too.)
You people rock. Both of you made me laugh so hard. Tee hee!
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Whatever happened to Andrew WK?
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I'm not sure why this thread was locked, so I unlocked it.
Basically because apparently Andrew WK is doing what he's always been doing. (http://www.andrewwk.com/)
That picture gave me a chuckle. There is something to be said about consistency. I like the facial expressions on the other guys - they're like "yeah, he's insufferable, but it's better than playing Pachebel's Canon for the hundredth time at someone's wedding, okay?"
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Whatever happened to Andrew WK?
http://twitter.com/AndrewWK
like the picture says, hes on tour with that quartet.
he just released a solo album of piano jams. he calls them "Spontaneous Solo Piano Improvisations". AWK fanstend to dig it, people that have a stick up thier ass have given not given stellar reviews. sounds biased, and maybe so. i dig andrew wk a whole hell of a lot, but i didnt dig the new album.
he also runs a dance club in NYC called Santos Party House.
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I've been listening to Andrew W.K. for the past hour or so. I guess he's got everything he's recorded loaded onto that website. Most of it so far has been pretty retarded, but in a fun way. I'm really digging the piano stuff though. Seriously.
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I've been listening to Andrew W.K. for the past hour or so. I guess he's got everything he's recorded loaded onto that website. Most of it so far has been pretty retarded, but in a fun way. I'm really digging the piano stuff though. Seriously.
regarding him and his full band: the studio CDs are more dance-y and produced. i havent had the opportunuty to hear him live, but according to the videos, it sounds more thrash-y and metal, than dance-y. ill take it either way.
hes my favorite rock and roll dude. he has nothing but positive and up-building energy and im idealistic enough not to be suspicious and derisive. sure he says things and writes songs that are cheese-y as all hell, but no music makes me not depressed like his.
my favorite video(thanks to the folks of jackas and muhfuggin BUTTERBEAN): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49mDdQSwPaA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49mDdQSwPaA)
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there is an Onion AV club interview (http://www.avclub.com/articles/andrew-wk,13822/) with him that my friend told me about the other day, where he seems like a nice guy.
My old roommate/good friend is super into andrew WK. He has had a very similar life in terms of "I am a weird dude who loves weird things and kind of doesn't understand society."
We had this joke that he doesn't understand how to understand patterns, so the other day we tested him.
"Ok, (friend), if I have a beer on monday and wednesday, and drink a coke on tuesday and thursday, what do I drink on friday?"
"A beer!"
"Haha, ok. Ok, yeah, I guess he understands patterns. haha."
"Oh. There was a pattern?"
"yeah!"
"oh. I just figured, you know, a lot of people drink beer on fridays."
I laughed so hard that I was compelled to run around the room.
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"Fooled By Coldplay" would be a good band name.
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Andrew WK recently released a Japan-only album consisting of English covers and rock-styled rearrangements of songs and background music from the seminal 1979 anime Mobile Suit Gundam, as well as two spoken performances of translated speeches from the series. The translations and performance are excellent and capture the tone and message of the songs very well.
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Andrew WK recently released a Japan-only album consisting of English covers and rock-styled rearrangements of songs and background music from the seminal 1979 anime Mobile Suit Gundam, as well as two spoken performances of translated speeches from the series. The translations and performance are excellent and capture the tone and message of the songs very well.
japan is a strange country...
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japan is a strange country...
Well, yes, but it's still a good album. You wouldn't think a song called "Soldiers of Sorrow" would be Andrew WK's speed but he does a great job on it.