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Title: Kepler-22b
Post by: pmcd9 on December 06, 2011, 10:13:15 am
This (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/et-cetera/kepler-22b-nasa-confirms-super-earth-that-could-hold-life/articleshow/11005462.cms) is good news for those of us that want to abandon this planet.
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: Carlos del Vaca on December 06, 2011, 02:50:09 pm
Yeah, they need to get started on the giant self-sustaining pod spaceships right away, so we can go fuck up that planet too.
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: greenkoolayd on December 06, 2011, 03:18:06 pm
no one is going anywhere  >:(
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: pmcd9 on December 06, 2011, 07:49:06 pm
Thank you Ash.  We ARE going to space, and the sooner the better. 
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: pmcd9 on December 06, 2011, 08:49:29 pm
Here's a good article (http://www.npr.org/2011/12/05/143142279/found-earth-like-planet-that-might-be-right-for-life) on NPR.
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: Doc on December 07, 2011, 09:17:38 am
If we do not destroy ourselves we will, one day, venture to the stars.

Y'know, unless it looks like it might actually cost some money or something and interfere with the re-election of another mediocre halfwit.
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: pmcd9 on December 07, 2011, 09:40:48 am
Y'know, unless it looks like it might actually cost some money or something and interfere with the re-election of another mediocre halfwit.

It's not going to be a government that takes us to the stars, it'll be private enterprise that gets the job done. 
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: Doc on December 07, 2011, 11:43:11 am
It's not going to be a government that takes us to the stars, it'll be private enterprise that gets the job done. 

Yeah, I reckon. Well either Richard Branson or China.
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: AugustWest on December 07, 2011, 02:22:59 pm
Government got us to the moon.

Government won World War II.

Government built the Interstate Highway system.

Government is just another way human beings organize themselves into groups to get things done.  It can do whatever we decide it can.  If you think government has a monopoly on bureaucratic inefficiency, I'd say you're sadly naive.

I read great article by one of my favorite writers, Neal Stephenson, yesterday.  He is lamenting the absence of a "great project" like the space program today.  "We can't Facebook our way out of the current economic status quo." (http://www.worldpolicy.org/journal/fall2011/innovation-starvation)

I think what we need is inspiration.  I think we need a "Great Project" to unite us and to give us purpose.

What scares me is that historically, as often as not, such purpose-providing projects have been wars.  Wouldn't it be nice to be able to unite behind something that's actually constructive for once?
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: littlefallsmets on December 07, 2011, 03:18:58 pm
On this topic, I am torn between my desire to explore and achieve and see what's out there that we never could've guessed and... the fear that we're basically an infection that will only manage to fuck things up on a grander scale if we manage to ever get off this rock in a meaningful and consistent fashion.

It is probably childish or whatever to feel torn about this, it might even be a projection of my own mixed feelings about myself onto the entire race, but this is my honest difficulty with the issue.

Man, look at how much there is out there to see. Man, look at our fuck*ng track record.
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: pmcd9 on December 07, 2011, 05:14:58 pm
On this topic, I am torn between my desire to explore and achieve and see what's out there that we never could've guessed and... the fear that we're basically an infection that will only manage to fuck things up on a grander scale if we manage to ever get off this rock in a meaningful and consistent fashion.

Reminded me of this (http://pbfcomics.com/248).
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: jaydub on December 07, 2011, 06:05:01 pm
Personally, I don't see what's wrong with us being an infection.  Do you think salmonella gets all weepy about giving its host the Hershey squirts?  Now screwing up our current, only source of life support is just stupid, but if we can get a sustainable colony going on Mars, Proxima Centauri, or Kepler 22b at the cost of some terraforming and take a pass because "its not natural" or whatever - then we deserve extinction.  If we come across something sentient/self aware that's a different matter.
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: Carlos del Vaca on December 07, 2011, 06:12:48 pm
I have heard it suggested that Vonnegut said our species' epitaph will be, "It was too expensive to save ourselves."

I haven't been able to confirm that Vonnegut actually said that, but it's true nonetheless.
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: Doc on December 07, 2011, 09:18:42 pm
I'm not a down on government kind of guy, I just don't think it's a priority for any of them right now, mainly because of the no wars thing.
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: pmcd9 on December 07, 2011, 09:48:05 pm
Well obviously the military will be involved. When we get there and find this planet teaming with life we're gonna need somebody to take care of the indigenous peoples.
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: miles on December 08, 2011, 03:00:57 am
Remember, man, no matter how much we go out there and cack it up, the universe will eventually squash our ass and it'll be like we never existed. If we don't go out there and just cack it along here we'll get the same result so we might as well have some fun along the way to extinction.

Reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U1-OmAICpU).
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: theinevitable on December 08, 2011, 04:46:42 am
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When we get there and find this planet teaming with life we're gonna need somebody to take care of the indigenous peoples.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, MOTHERFUCKERS.

I hope our future is not like the humans in Starship Troopers.
Title: Re: Kepler-22b
Post by: littlefallsmets on December 08, 2011, 05:26:08 am
If we find life that is in our way and can't kill us first, Dan, you know it will be.