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wondering about this cartooning class
« on: March 30, 2013, 04:15:33 pm »

So just in case I am not already enough of a jack of all trades and master of none, lately I have been thinking of taking a drawing class. And I just found out that there is a place basically around the corner that actually offers a cartooning class.

But, I looked at the teacher's work and it doesn't seem all that great. Not to my taste, anyway.
http://clayharrisillustrations.com/artwork/2128025_Sandragon_5.html

Also, I have no basic training in drawing. The class doesn't say anything about requiring it, but I wonder how much sense this curriculum makes if you don't already vaguely know how to draw:
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Description: Week 1: Writing & Penciling
This session will teach you the beginnings of using gesture drawings with or without scripted dialogue. Be prepared to tell a simple story in 1 or 2 pages without words.
Week 2: Penciling
“Tightening up” your original pencils from the first session by polishing and defining lines and shades, and working on contrasts and composition of shaded areas.
Week 3: Inking: Part 1
Drawing over and accenting your finished pencils and learning where to include fine detail.
Week 4: Inking: Part 2
Continued inking of penciled pages in preparation for coloring.
Week 5: Coloring and Lettering
Learn the mechanics of creating of captions, speech and thought balloons as well as the art of onomatopoeia in comic sound effects.
Week 6: Field trip to comic store

What do you guys think?
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Re: wondering about this cartooning class
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2013, 08:54:43 pm »

I've taken many formal drawing classes, both creative ones and more practical set and design ones, and to me that content looks like the sort of stuff that's approachable, yet a tad daunting to me.  The way its described seems to suggest one should have a basic grasp of the concept going in. Then again, I think in general that a lot of this sort of work is intuitive.  What you need to ask yourself is both whether you have the skill set, and more if you are a visual thinker by nature.  Do you understand how shading should appear based on light direction, and do you have a sense of what looks "right" in regard to depth and perspective?
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Re: wondering about this cartooning class
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2013, 09:35:57 pm »

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The piece was modeled after a pinball game, but the result resembles more of a tombstone.

I stopped right there. She sounds like someone that doesn't know what the hell she is doing.
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Re: wondering about this cartooning class
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2013, 12:25:41 pm »

I've taken many formal drawing classes, both creative ones and more practical set and design ones, and to me that content looks like the sort of stuff that's approachable, yet a tad daunting to me.  The way its described seems to suggest one should have a basic grasp of the conceptd going in. Then again, I think in general that a lot of this sort of work is intuitive.  What you need to ask yourself is both whether you have the skill set, and more if you are a visual thinker by nature.  Do you understand how shading should appear based on light direction, and do you have a sense of what looks "right" in regard to depth and perspective?

If this sounds daunting to someone who has actually taken many drawing classes then I think my instinct is right that it is over my head. And that if they claim that it isn't, the teacher probably doesn't know what he's doing.

I don't think I am an especially good visual thinker. And while I can tell what looks right as far as shading and perspective and stuff, there's a difference between telling that something looks right, and starting with a blank page and putting marks on it that end up looking right.
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Re: wondering about this cartooning class
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2013, 08:39:39 pm »

This reminds me of the gap that exists between someone who likes music vs. someone who can play music.  In my dreams I pick up a guitar or sit down at a piano and the music I imagine comes out.  The gap between that fantasy and what actually happens when a musician creates is so immense, it seems like one of the greatest accomplishments of modern society is recorded music. 
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Re: wondering about this cartooning class
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2013, 09:58:32 pm »

This triggered a fun memory for me! 

The design classes were part of a selection of courses offered by the university that were practical only.  This means there was no textbooks or written exams.  It was all design projects.  This and many other courses like it attracted exchange students, and the university I went to had a large group of Chinese and Japanese students who had minimal English language skills.  So, I'd go to class and the prof would teach a lesson then describe the assignment.  Typically each class was immediately followed by open lab time, during which I would start on the assignment.  There were several open lab times, but the one immediately following class was the one that typically worked best with my schedule. This would lead to a number of non-English speaking students standing unobtrusively behind me, shyly watching me work on the assignment for the first hour or so after class.  Sometimes one or two of the ones with some spoken English would collect questions from the others who didn't, then ask me to explain while translating back to them.  I didn't really mind.  It was a little weird to see a bunch of finished assignments where my creative choices were often replicated over and over because some students were clearly unsure which choices were mine and which were those required for the assignment, but whatever. 

Later in the year, there were two assignments after which I couldn't do my lab work immediately following class because there were rehearsals for the production I was in, so I ended up doing my design assignments pretty late at night in the hour or two before the design lab was locked up each night.  The assignment was to draw the iconic Ikea Poäng chair using only a shading technique such as cross hatching, with no outer lines, then to draw sphere in the same fashion.  Late at night was a quite time in the design lab; sometimes I was alone, but usually one very creepy student and I were there.  He was one of the three Canadian students (including myself), but he was really unpleasant and made a lot of creepy conversation with me, so I only went to that later lab time for those two assignments where I had no other choice. 

After those assignments had been handed in, my prof asked to speak to me after class.  I sincerely thought he was going to ask me about that weirdo, because he had really set off some red flags for me and if the prof told me that guy was assaulting other students I wouldn't have been at all shocked.  "I wanted to ask you something. Every student but yourself and one other failed the last two assignments, and I've been wondering if you have any idea why?"  Ohhhh.  I explained that my schedule had changed due to rehearsals, meaning the non-English language students were unable to watch me work as they usually did. I guess without being able to watch me work, they had misunderstood the assignment?  Yup:  they had all handed in perfectly drawn chairs and spheres, but had totally missed the point of the assignment, which was to use only shading to create the images.  The prof was kind enough to give everyone a re-do and started to stick around for lab time to provide input when he could.
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Re: wondering about this cartooning class
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2013, 01:39:04 pm »

There are tons and tons of "learn the basics of drawing" books in the world. I learned to draw decently well (for a kid) when I was in elementary school/upper middle school entirely from books. Get one like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Absolute-Beginner-Clear-Successful/dp/1581807899/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_y

And if that's still to daunting, get one of the "for kids" ones and start there. Or, pick a book that shows how to draw a specific thing in which you're interested -- I happened to have a book on how to draw jungle cats -- and work from that.

http://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Made-Easy-Discover-techniques/dp/1600580270/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_y

Once you have the basic techniques down, you can take the step that I never took and start going to classes so that you have someone to help you refine them. By that time, you'll have found your style a bit, and you'll know whether you want to study cartooning.

Also, it looks to me like the cartooning class offers a guide to using images to tell stories and some of the techniques that are part of trade (inking, lettering) which would be useful to learn and wouldn't require you to emulate the instructor's style. But of course I think that anything that anyone needs to know can be learned from a book, so you might want to check out Scott McCloud's work on cartooning and comics writing first (which might help you decide if you have stories to tell that are best suited for a graphical format):

http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Comics-Invisible-Scott-McCloud/dp/006097625X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1364909687&sr=1-1&keywords=scott+mccloud

and

http://www.amazon.com/Making-Comics-Storytelling-Secrets-Graphic/dp/0060780940/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1364909687&sr=1-3&keywords=scott+mccloud
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Re: wondering about this cartooning class
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2013, 01:47:57 pm »

Thanks, that is an interesting suggestion. I have to say I was thinking of taking a class partly because I need to get the hell out of the house more. But it sounds like that would be a better way to go about it than to jump right into something that's over my head. The other possibility is to see if they are offering a more general drawing class and take that first, but somehow that does not sound at all appealing, so maybe messing around on my own first is worth trying. I wonder if anyone has written "how to draw pugs."
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Re: wondering about this cartooning class
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2013, 02:53:50 pm »

if you want a quick starter class, there's a pretty good series on youtube you can watch.
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Re: wondering about this cartooning class
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2013, 03:39:11 pm »

I wonder if anyone has written "how to draw pugs."

Link #2 is a book on drawing various dog breeds, yeah.

Further research indicates that this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Dogs-Puppies-Learn-Draw-ebook/dp/B005OEMPT6

Includes this page:

http://my.safaribooksonline.com/book/illustration-and-graphics/9781560108160/pug-puppy/i5

And it is available for Kindle for $3.
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