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[arkabee]

Do I listen to pop music because I'm miserable, or am I miserable because I listen to pop music?

you listen to pop music because it gives you the confidence to speak up?

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there's this cartoonist.  last name of Adams.  can't draw for shit.  made these 4 panel comics, had a collection of them in college, green book.

anyways.

i'll always vaguely half-remember the title to one of them was sort of something maybe similar to: "Everything i say comes from a pop song".

i notice that happens a lot.  not like that strip, where the character's eyes are spinning and he's going "i am the walrus".  more in that i realize everytime i try to write that i seem to be using someone's lyrics in dialogue.

anyways, keep it down now, voices carry, ya know.

[arkabee]

on a topic related note:

ont he new album, the song "bukowski", i keep hearing him saying "bill cosby" instead of "bukowski".

that is all.

[andalucia]

ont he new album, the song "bukowski", i keep hearing him saying "bill cosby" instead of "bukowski"

God, who'd want to be, such an asshole?

(AWESOME)

That is, now that you mention it, a song that redeems Modest penis for me.  It expresses my opinion on Bukowski.  And that makes me feel important.

[miles]

That's partly what I like about Modest penis.  Repitition can be a wonderful thing.  Also, you should know that Building Nothing out of Something is a compliation of singles and EP tracks, so if it doesn't feel like a typical MM album, that's because it's not an album at all.  But it does contain my second and third favorite MM songs, Interstate 8 and All Night Diner (which is good because last I checked the Interstate 8 EP was out of print), along with some other great stuff, and some filler.

I'd say that Moon and Anarctica, while it doesn't contain any of my favorite songs, is probably their most solid album, but, I don't know their material well at all after that record.

I really can't recommend the song Heart Cooks Brain enough.  It is beautiful.  It's on an Up Records compilation that may still be available, and the album it's from, Lonesome Crowded West, is pretty decent.  The song's a bit repetitive, but hey, that's OK, it works perfectly.  In fact, it's on right now.

Built to Spill is probably my favorite band, and I think you're right about them.  That's probably because the band is really built around whatever the fuck Doug Martsch wants to do.  A friend of mine talked to him before a show a while ago and was pretty excited and went out of his way to compliment the new album and such.  Doug was very nice, but he also kind of had an attitude like, so what, I'm in a band, who cares, I'm just doing what I want to do.  Like fans of the band take the band thing much more seriously than the members do.  It's part of Doug's charm, but also probably contributes to the fact that they'll never really be big.  People like crazy stories and zany personalities to go along with the music.

i got another album, something out of nothing, and also on the antarctica one, it seems lyrically repetitive.  like, on one of those songs, the chorus is like 2 lines repeated 4 times, and the entirety of the lyrics are repeated 2x.

i haven't really noticed that on the new one.

2- the new one is growing on me more.


Built to Spill-
They have always struck me as a band that exists to make music, not to be a band.  and i think that's why they make beautiful music.
I mean, what should music care what label it's on?

[Bozack]

Yeah, Built to Spill is awesome. I saw them live a little while back, and I realized I've been listening to them since 8th grade. That band has the most longetivity of basically any I've enjoyed, in that I've considered myself a Built to Spill FAN for the past 4 or so years.

[andalucia]

Yeah, Built to Spill is awesome. I saw them live a little while back, and I realized I've been listening to them since 8th grade. That band has the most longetivity of basically any I've enjoyed, in that I've considered myself a Built to Spill FAN for the past 4 or so years.

The first time I heard Built to Spill was their atrocious cover of "100 000 Fireflies" by the Magnetic Fields.  After that, I could not really give them a chance no matter how much I felt that I should.

[V-Adore]

The first time I heard Built to Spill was their atrocious cover of "100 000 Fireflies" by the Magnetic Fields.  After that, I could not really give them a chance no matter how much I felt that I should.

Is that who originally did "100,000 Fireflies?!" I'd been wondering ever since I found another atrocious cover of it -- so atrocious that it was fabulous.

(I would have had a link there, but apparently his website doesn't actually exist anymore. I did find the artist's page on Somesongs, though.)

[miles]

Are you sure you're thinking of Built to Spill?  I know that they haven't released such a cover, and I've never heard of them performing it.  Now, Superchunk did cover it, and a friend of mine once said I would like Superchunk because I like Built to Spill, but I never got around to listening to them.  I feel you though, that's a damn good song to mess up, so I would be upset too.  I'm thinking maybe you have them confused.  If this is what you are basing your opinion of Built to Spill on, I urge you to give them another chance, because I think you got the wrong band!  All of their albums are on my favorite list (well, besides maybe the most recent one and the Live album), but I usually hear other people say that Perfect From Now On and Keep It Like A Secret are their best.  Ultimate Alternative Wavers is their first and was my favorite album for years back in high school, and their second album, There's Nothing Wrong With Love, is one of those indie pop classics I guess you could say, a damn fine album.  The first time I saw them, soon after Theres Nothing Wrong With Love was released, was one of the best live show experiences I've ever head, in fact, one of the best experiences in general I've ever had.  So anyway...

Yeah, Built to Spill is awesome. I saw them live a little while back, and I realized I've been listening to them since 8th grade. That band has the most longetivity of basically any I've enjoyed, in that I've considered myself a Built to Spill FAN for the past 4 or so years.

The first time I heard Built to Spill was their atrocious cover of "100 000 Fireflies" by the Magnetic Fields.  After that, I could not really give them a chance no matter how much I felt that I should.

[andalucia]

It's entirely possible that it was a mislabeled mp3, so I'll give them another chance.  What songs/albums would you recommend to start with?

[miles]

Hmm, as I said, Theres Nothing Wrong With Love is one of those classic indie pop albums.  You really can't go wrong with that.  Most of the songs are short and very hooky.  A really catchy record, every song is great.  Perfect From Now On shows Doug's true colors though, I think, with long guitar based songs.  I think only one song clocks in under five minutes.  Keep It Like a Secret is also as good, with some of my absolute favorite songs, such as Carry the Zero and Timetrap.  Ultimate Alternative Wavers, being their first, is probably the least accessible, though I love it very much.  I'd save it for last.  Their most recent album, Ancient Melodies of the Future, is decent.  Their Live album isn't really necessary, but shows what a good live band they are.

If you're downloading songs:

Carry the Zero
Time Trap
Else
Built to Spill
In the Morning
Reasons
Twin Falls
Some
Distopian Dream Girl
Velvet Waltz
Kicked it in the Sun
Made-Up Dreams
Car

That's a good start.

It's entirely possible that it was a mislabeled mp3, so I'll give them another chance.  What songs/albums would you recommend to start with?

[arkabee]

i don't know what a "100000 fireflies" is.  nor what a "magnetic fields" is.  but if built to spill covered a song, and it sounds bad, then it's the songs fault, or the listeners fault, not built to spill's.    

live album- kicks ass. cortez the killer is better than when neil young does it.  suck it, mr. young, indie bands from BFI don't need you around, anyhow.

my 1st cd of theirs was Perfect From Now On, so i am totally biased.  also, i love long songs that rock out and are THE PRETTIEST SONGS EVER.  i'm a sucker for THE PRETTIEST SONGS EVER.  i mean, who am i to say anything bad about THE PRETTIEST SONGS EVER.  of course, if you are the type of person not to like THE PRETTIEST SONGS EVER then you might not like it so much i suppose.

the last cd was like they went back to making indie pop songs but kept the production knowledge they learned from Perfect From Now On.

The other 2 cd's are very indie pop songy.  Ultimate Waver Whatevers is really a great cd, sure i give it a hard time, by i give it a hard time in the way i'd give a little brother who was never as good as Perfect From Now On and could never live up to it a hard time.  


I can't believe someone would say you'd like superchunk because you like Built To Spill.  I like superchunk, i only have 2 albums, so i could be wrong, but that's like saying "hey, you have an indie pop cd, i bet you like all indie pop".  that being said, you probably _would_ like superchunk, but i dunno what the hell they have to do with Built To Spill is all i'm saying.

[Bozack]

Time Trap is possibly the greatest achievement of Western Civilization. The apex, if you will, of the Eurocentric arts.

[miles]

Yeah it kicks ass.  I put it up there with Carry the Zero by Built to Spill, Heart Cooks Brain by Modest penis, and More than This by Roxy Music.

Time Trap is possibly the greatest achievement of Western Civilization. The apex, if you will, of the Eurocentric arts.

[miles]

I disagree about the live album.  I just think it's kind of boring.  And I think Neil does a very fine job of performing that song.  Slint, incidentally, does as well.  But I do like it when my favorite bands cover Neil Young Songs, like Low and the Pixies, and Slint, and of course Built to Spill.

Yeah, I don't know why my friend made the comparison.  I think I may have heard one song by Superchunk and it didn't really remind me of Built to Spill, but I don't remember.  A lot of people just lump indie pop type bands together.  Built to Spill almost inevitably comes up in a discussion about Modest penis, which I guess is how we got to this point...

live album- kicks ass. cortez the killer is better than when neil young does it.  suck it, mr. young, indie bands from BFI don't need you around, anyhow.

I can't believe someone would say you'd like superchunk because you like Built To Spill.  I like superchunk, i only have 2 albums, so i could be wrong, but that's like saying "hey, you have an indie pop cd, i bet you like all indie pop".  that being said, you probably _would_ like superchunk, but i dunno what the hell they have to do with Built To Spill is all i'm saying.

[arkabee]

no disrespect to neil young meant.  i like mr. neil, and i love his trains.

live album boring? quite possibly.  miles, you strike me as a musically intelligent person.  i, however, am a fanboy.  i like what i like, but i really don't know why it is that i like it, and will probably glaze over the stuff i don't like so much with enthusiasm for stuff i like.  the live album is MORE built to spill.  more! that's better than less!   what is "Singing sores make perfect sores" from? because i love that song.  love it.  enthusiasm, enthusiasm, enthusiasm.

pixies = my favorite band too!  what are the chances of that? heh.

Low- who is low?  info, recomendations?

Slint: i first heard slint on the "Kids" soundtrack, that "captain" song.  i love that song.  unfortunately, it's on a tape copy of that soundtrack.  that saddens me.  the only time i've heard anyone say anything about them, i was in cincinatti at a record store, and i found "Tweez" there used, and when i went to pay i asked if they had more cd's and the clerk was all "they are a cool band from kentucky and you've never heard of them hah hah hah".  i don't like Tweez so much.  it's ok, but it's a _hard_ listen, like it takes effort.

Superchunk.  i have 2 albums, one on tape i can't find that i love.  it had "the single" that i remember hearing in the 90s making me buy the album.  the other on cd is "Indoor Living".  i find it weak.  weak and without my emthusiasm.  avoid "Indoor Living".  get the one before, or before before it.

modest penis inevitably bringing up Built To Spill:
i've been listening to modest penis more and more, and i can hear BTS in Building Something out of Nothing, but not on the new cd.

segue:
i love hearing the influences in a band like from bands i like.  modest penis is growing on me, because i keep hearing different influences that i like.


and back to indie cred, selling out, and record labels.

there are 2 record labels that i trust will most likely give me something i like:
Matador and MEtropolis.

I'd give Matador about 50% and Metropolis 40% hit ratio.