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[linnea]

Teachers in my town can make upwards of 65k for half a years worth of work. That works out to $130,000+ per year to do a job that only requires a bachelor's degree and tolerance of children. Teachers make hell of more than police officers and firefighters who risk their lives every day. Make of that what you will.

Wait, are we still considering A-CAP a troll? I am not clear on this.

Anyway, I'm sorry, but that particular argument just disgusts me more than anything. People who really, truly complain that teachers are paid too much pretty much automatically get on my shit list, or at least my "I'm never talking to you about anything close to politics again" list. Sorry for the hair trigger, though.

Yep, he's a troll.

Dude, don't spout off about shit you know nothing about. Teachers do not work "half a year", they either get 2 1/2 months off in the summer, or else their time off is divided evenly around the year if they teach at a year-round school. Teachers with a Masters degree only earn about $38,000 a year. Of course, with experience and seniority you can make more. First year teachers earn less than $30,000 per year. Guess what, jackass - my twin sister, Kellichou, is a teacher. Sorry, your argument fails.

I seriously considered going to paramedic school, but paramedics only make about $37,000 a year. With my current Bachelor's degree in architecture I made nearly double that in Alaska. Firefighter/paramedics make around $50K per year. 

[wombat]

Fellow citizens, I implore you to refrain from providing nourishment to the warty mythogical creature that lives under bridges.

[littlefallsmets]

Anyone who has three All-Star calibre catchers and won't let me grossly overpay for just one of them is definitely a troll.

Unlike Mr. Gorillas, who is a very handsome man.

[V-Adore]

Unlike Mr. Gorillas, who is a very handsome man.

Lacking any kind of real context on this, I will ask: Homosexuals D. Gorillas?

[littlefallsmets]

Gashouse "Mr. Awesome" Gorillas.

Also:

My girlfriend will start her first year as an elementary teacher in LA at a tad under 60K.

HOWEVER, that is because (a.) she will be starting fully accredited (b.) she will be starting with her masters completed (c.) she just completed 8 months of unpaid full-time student teaching in the heart of gang territory that nearly broke us financially (d.) we are living in one of the four or five most expensive places to live in the United States of America and (e.) she will be teaching in a school at the EDGE of gang territory.

There are a lot of rural and suburban police officers who put themselves into less danger in a given day at work than my girlfriend did student teaching. And cops get to carry guns, she got to carry chalk.

[RMJ12345]

Teachers in my town can make upwards of 65k for half a years worth of work. That works out to $130,000+ per year to do a job that only requires a bachelor's degree and tolerance of children. Teachers make hell of more than police officers and firefighters who risk their lives every day. Make of that what you will.

Teachers hella risk their lives. Have you ever seen third graders get nasty? Steve Irwin couldn't have done it.

That's about all I can muster, except, also, 130K+/year? Yes, because there is so much summer work for teachers where they will double their salary. Teachers don't just take those three months off, they have to get re-certified in any number of things.

[Noah]

you guys should start a topic called "Trash A-CAP, and give your opinions on the salary of schoolteachers"

maybe make a couple polls and a flash game where you throw tomatoes at A-CAP's avatar

[jaydub]

Hey, if a fellow wants to act as a straw man, who are we to disagree?

My wife just left the classroom after 13 years of teaching 9th & 10th graders.  She worked the pay scale hard, maxing out units and getting a Master's etc.  Summer school, leadership programs, curriculum development, etc etc.  She was cool with all that, and kept pace with my private sector earnings for the most part.  Kids were kids - some good, some so rotten she'd come home and cry - some great that actually appreciated what she did for them.  We subsidized her classroom out of our own pockets to the tune of a couple hundred bucks a year. 
All that, and yet the reason she left was because of the adversarial relationship between teachers and administration.  Fault falls on both sides.  The teachers were suspicious of anything handed down to them by principals - administrators were insufficiently supportive of their staff (not dealing with problem kids, letting harrassment get out of hand, not backing the teachers when baseless complaints were made against them), and the secretarial staff were apparently drunk with power over who got copies made, or replacement keys, or attention from maintenance.  All that at a fairly highly-ranked school.  Stacey wanted the school to act as a team to provide education to the kids.  What she got was factional infighting where the kids were peripheral "problems" to be handled.
Or at least, it was like that often enough for her to want to get out.  She just started a new job in a different county teaching new teachers how to work in teams for developing curriculum. 

[wombat]

you guys should start a topic called "Trash A-CAP, and give your opinions on the salary of schoolteachers"

What's the point? It would only be two pages before people would be talking about bean recipes or - Hey! Did I mention I got a new camera?

[V-Adore]

What's the point? It would only be two pages before people would be talking about bean recipes or - Hey! Did I mention I got a new camera?

My camera's breath smells like three-bean salad.

[pmcd9]

I took a picture of some beans.

[Noah]

pmcd9 can i just say again that you are probably the best person on the achewood message board

can everybody at least agree on that

[smick]

Man Paul, you hell of teased some veg*ns.

[AugustWest]

I took a picture of some beans.

I know of at least one picture of Paul's butt on the internet.  Chances are there are at least 5 more, right?   Now you just need to get recording hell of MP3's.

[theinevitable]

I really want to know the teacher's point of view of my high school. It seemed to me that they had a much better deal than the ones at public schools in Charlotte. The kids were mostly well behaved, mostly did the work... the administration was mostly reasonable.

The one teacher I have heard complaints about the administration from... got fired for hitting on students excessively? so. you know. he was lame. The new headmaster is a douche, though... totally screwing everything up, ruining the campus by getting rid of the cool older buildings... basically, lame. He's also really religious. Which, the old headmaster was... but this guy is much more in-your-face about it.