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Trivial Pursuits => Wild Card => Topic started by: theinevitable on July 27, 2009, 04:45:37 am
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THE TENTH ANNUAL GATHERING OF THE JUGGALOS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNe11E_KiAk)
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the last 1.5 hours or so of "the best show on WFMU" this week was about this thing, and I laughed so hard that I had to go sit down away from the computer for a minute to compose myself.
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Other than the fact that I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in any of the so called entertainment scheduled for this thing it looks like a really well thought out, fan friendly event.
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That was the greatest 14 minutes of the last month.
Wait, so these people are simultaneously Juggalos, Ninjas, and Fat Kids? And some kind of family? Are we gonna have to get a research grant and get all ethnographic on this bitch?
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http://www.juggalogathering.com/home.php?page_id=directions
Yes. YES.
I want to ethnograph this bitch so hard.
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I could never ethnograph this. The urge to Freak Out and Talk Sense would be too great. It is the same reason I don't go to church anymore and have never attended a midnight screening of the Rocky Horror Picture Show. I can handle a Ren-Faire for the food and to watch people joust or whatever but... please, don't come up to me In Character and expect me to LARP with you. I am not a foreign trader, you are not some kind of archer for the king. You and I are people at a pretend pleasant place and if you cross over that line, I will Freak Out and Talk Sense.
I guess that I am sort of supremely judgemental but all I can say is that it comes from a place of compassion. Well, the Rocky Horror Picture Show not so much but...
"LOOK, OKAY, IF YOU ARE GAY, THAT IS AWESOME AND I AM FINE WITH THAT! GO BE GAY AND THAT IS AWESOME BUT... THIS IS ACTUALLY AN IRREDEEMABLY BAD FILM, PLEASE, GO HAVE OMNIAMOUROUS MAKE-OUTS, DO NOT WASTE YOUR LIFE MAKING COSTUMES TO WATCH BAD FILMS AND PRETEND THAT *****ICALLY REPEATING THE SAME QUIPS ONCE A MONTH WILL FILL THE PLACE IN YOUR HEART THAT ACTUALLY NEEDS A COCK! GO BE HAPPY! GET AWAY FROM THIS FILM THAT IS TERRIBLE ON ALL LEVELS!"
I can only imagine what that would turn into when confronted with a sea of heavy-set hillbilly white kids expressing their disaffections through... jester-rap.
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yeah, to be honest, I could not actually go to such a thing with a straight face. also I would be scared of getting killed.
also, same here on Rocky Horror Picture Show. Goddamn, that movie.
There is a constant struggle where I want to be able to be OK with people liking this stuff, but it just turns into condescension.
I also had this problem a lot working at summer camp. But I guess that's more of a thing where I feel really uncomfortable in events where everyone is doing the same thing (yelling the same cheer, singing the same song, whatever). I would have been a much better counselor if I could have drank beer every day.
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I don't have that. At least not for a lot of things. I have it for some things, but not a lot. Not this, anyway.
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Eh I'm down with Rocky Horror, I wouldn't dress up for it but it is a thing people like, I can appreciate that. I feel the camp thing though and I think the difference is that the camp chanting thing I've always percieved to be people pretending to enjoy themselves in a unified manner which is kind of weird.
This ad just keeps getting better and better though, what the hell is going on with this line up? Coolio? Ice-cube? Vanilla Ice? Pauly Shore? WHAT? I'm getting the feeling they're just into it for the spectacle, they don't care what's actually going on.
Edit: FULL ON SEMINARS!
I know there's the san-fran type alternative movement that embraced burlesque and other aspects of old school freak shows but I suspect places like this is where all the freaks really went.
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I could never ethnograph this. The urge to Freak Out and Talk Sense would be too great. It is the same reason I don't go to church anymore and have never attended a midnight screening of the Rocky Horror Picture Show. I can handle a Ren-Faire for the food and to watch people joust or whatever but... please, don't come up to me In Character and expect me to LARP with you. I am not a foreign trader, you are not some kind of archer for the king. You and I are people at a pretend pleasant place and if you cross over that line, I will Freak Out and Talk Sense.
I guess that I am sort of supremely judgemental but all I can say is that it comes from a place of compassion. Well, the Rocky Horror Picture Show not so much but...
"LOOK, OKAY, IF YOU ARE GAY, THAT IS AWESOME AND I AM FINE WITH THAT! GO BE GAY AND THAT IS AWESOME BUT... THIS IS ACTUALLY AN IRREDEEMABLY BAD FILM, PLEASE, GO HAVE OMNIAMOUROUS MAKE-OUTS, DO NOT WASTE YOUR LIFE MAKING COSTUMES TO WATCH BAD FILMS AND PRETEND THAT #####ICALLY REPEATING THE SAME QUIPS ONCE A MONTH WILL FILL THE PLACE IN YOUR HEART THAT ACTUALLY NEEDS A COCK! GO BE HAPPY! GET AWAY FROM THIS FILM THAT IS TERRIBLE ON ALL LEVELS!"
I can only imagine what that would turn into when confronted with a sea of heavy-set hillbilly white kids expressing their disaffections through... jester-rap.
It sounds like your commitment to juggalography is lacking.
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Midget wrestling was in there, actually.
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I don't think I feel bat about passing judgment on this event. not at all.
somewhere around pro-wrestling I stop pretending not to judge this crap.
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I met some Juggaloes (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmcd9/2561919156/) at Kerrville Folk Festival (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmcd9/sets/72157605506160031/) last year. They were a lot of fun to hang out with.
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wait
ICE CUBE
GWAR
COOLIO
will be at this?
and also Vanilla Ice?
what the fuck i have bought albums from these people before
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What was that thing Paul just said lately? Oh yeah.
Sometimes I don't know what the fuck y'all are talking about and I'm cool with that.
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I am sure some of them are perfectly nice people. they just like something really stupid. lots of people who I like like stupid things. but this combination of horrible hip-hop, horrible metal, horrible band names, horrible fake sports... it is just too much.
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all that just reminds me of a a kid. a 3 year old kid who is mad at her mommy and daddy. she finds the scissors and cuts off a giant chunk of her hair. she knows mommy and daddy are going to be SO pissed and she cant wait to see their faces when they notice!
hell, it worked for manson.
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Yeah, his folks were probably disappointed with how he turned out.
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I am sure some of them are perfectly nice people. they just like something really stupid. lots of people who I like like stupid things. but this combination of horrible hip-hop, horrible metal, horrible band names, horrible fake sports... it is just too much.
hey, krumping is actually Hard Work and also a sociological thing
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There is a white trash part of me that non-ironically wants to attend this thing.
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I'd go, but I don't think I could justify the financial expense.
Strictly in an observational capacity, of course. For science.
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Show up dressed as Star Trek officers, as if you are scouting a new planet.
NEVER break character.
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I thought I had posted this, but it is not here:
Is the clown-aspect of Krumping because it is affiliated with juggaloes? I did not know.
Also, the wikipedia page has separate links to Popping and Locking (See Also: Popping, Locking). I have only ever heard these words used together (he's popping and locking).
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Show up dressed as Star Trek officers, as if you are scouting a new planet.
NEVER break character.
But, but, the Prime Directive?!
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One of the greatest things about Star Trek was that the Prime Directive was one of the central ideas of the series...
But most of the time, the point of having it there was to have the characters stand up and break the thing whenever there was the slightest hint of a reason to, as long as the reason was a Kennedy-esque left-wing war-hawk kind of reason such as reversing an injustice that they accidentally participated in or what have you. Every other episode, there was the space equivalent of a Darfur where all the left-wing space pacifists would suddenly do a 180 and be all like "we hate violence... but lets blow up that ship of people accidentally making a group of space frogs extinct... for the frogs!"
Right-wing-style interventionism was so wrong that the Major Rule of the show was forbidding it... but the second that liberal-guilt white-man's-burden interventionism was an option, those motherfuckers just barreled in with laser guns and ion bombs and fucked some shit right up. And I say this as a card carrying bleeding heart everything, it was just such a beautiful microcosm of that kind of ideology.
Y'know... Kirk ain't supposed to fuck no green ladies... but if the green lady WANTS it, hell, who is Kirk to deny her the Siege Tiberius?
So too for this. Some old spaceship crash accidentally left a bunch of shitty rap metal and clown make-up on a planet of fat white trash that didn't know no better and it accidentally created this abomination. Federation is scouting out how to make shit right that once went wrong and hoping that the next leap is the leap home. Gotta just run with that premise and NEVER BREAK CHARACTER.
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phasers.
* hands smets one onion offense card *
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Show up dressed as Star Trek officers, as if you are scouting a new planet.
NEVER break character.
attn: sacha baron cohen
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I know they're called "phasers" I just...
Calling them "laser guns" seemed more appropriately ridiculous.
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http://twitter.com/wigu/status/3107501805
Jeffrey Rowland knows the score.
LATER THAT DAY: OH SHIIIT (http://www.overcompensating.com/posts/20090804.html)
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(http://dedicated.goofball.com/goofball/mugshots/graphics/icppaper.jpg)
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/kb2o/icpnopaint.jpg)
[[dryheave]]
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Are they flashing gang signs? Does that make any sense in context?
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Are they flashing gang signs? Does that make any sense in context?
i gesturing to the person in the security guard shirt. if he actually is security, theyre trying to appear friendly, so they they dont get kicked out of wherever theyre at. without their makeup, they look like all the other nameless faceless trailer-dwellers.
if the shirt is just ironic, then theyre being good to their fan and posing for a snapshot with him.
despite ICPs actual music and thier lame schtick, i have respect for them. they obviously dont get much major media attention. their success and longevity must have been self-sustained and well-earned. also, they have all these intense, loyal fans for a reason. im sure they are respectful and down-to-earth in at least SOME instances.
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I'm thinking ICP are nothing like their fans.
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After action report:
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/38089341.html
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After action report:
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/38089341.html
Am I wrong, Inev, or is there a picture of a guy in a Wash U. shirt about halfway down?
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(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/pillcake/gathering/26.jpg)
THe last thing I'd expect to see at that Juggalocation.
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It probably ain't even really a shower.
That's probably just code for "Cold Cream and Cotton Balls so that TwztedPir8 Can Touch Up His Make-Up".
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Right-wing-style interventionism was so wrong that the Major Rule of the show was forbidding it... but the second that liberal-guilt white-man's-burden interventionism was an option, those motherfuckers just barreled in with laser guns and ion bombs and fucked some shit right up.
You mean like your obligation to find people publicly enjoying something you don't enjoy and then tell them how stupid they are for enjoying it?
Yeah, I'm late to the thread, but holy fuck, if you go to a Renaissance fair what kind of fuck*ng asshole do you have to be to jump up people's butts for wanting to pretend they're in Renaissance Europe while they're there? The easy way to avoid ever being exposed to people who are pretending they are in romanticized Renaissance Europe is to not go to a renfaire. The easy way to avoid people pretending they're Vulcans is to not go to Star Trek conventions. The easy way to avoid juggalos is to not go to the Great Outdoor Juggle.
The idea of going to an event where people get together to enjoy something harmless that they're into and you're not for the explicit purpose of making it harder for other people to enjoy themselves is pretty fucked up, guys. It is a proposal that you go out of your way to reduce other people's happiness for no benefit to anyone except your own belief that they will be better off if they are less happy. What the fuck.
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i didn't see a washU shirt on there.
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You mean like your obligation to find people publicly enjoying something you don't enjoy and then tell them how stupid they are for enjoying it?
Yeah, I'm late to the thread, but holy fuck, if you go to a Renaissance fair what kind of fuck*ng asshole do you have to be to jump up people's butts for wanting to pretend they're in Renaissance Europe while they're there? The easy way to avoid ever being exposed to people who are pretending they are in romanticized Renaissance Europe is to not go to a renfaire. The easy way to avoid people pretending they're Vulcans is to not go to Star Trek conventions. The easy way to avoid juggalos is to not go to the Great Outdoor Juggle.
The idea of going to an event where people get together to enjoy something harmless that they're into and you're not for the explicit purpose of making it harder for other people to enjoy themselves is pretty fucked up, guys. It is a proposal that you go out of your way to reduce other people's happiness for no benefit to anyone except your own belief that they will be better off if they are less happy. What the fuck.
B...but, what if what you enjoy doing is making fun of other people?
There. I've run rings round you logically.
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The idea of going to an event where people get together to enjoy something harmless that they're into and you're not for the explicit purpose of making it harder for other people to enjoy themselves is pretty fucked up, guys. It is a proposal that you go out of your way to reduce other people's happiness for no benefit to anyone except your own belief that they will be better off if they are less happy. What the fuck.
When they get tired of the shtick and beat some ass they'll be plenty happy.
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In my defense, I have never outwardly flipped-out on someone spewing "m'lord" at me.
I just say it in my mind. I am politely dismissive and I move on.
I guess that one of my deepest frustrations with the damned human race is that... like... for all the reasons there are to rebel from and reject the arbitrary rigidities of the mainstream culture, it seems that what comes next is the equal and opposite reaction of a formed subculture, just as rigid and probably twice as arbitrary.
Disenchanted high school kids form a damn "goth" subgroup as catty and conformist as the cool kids, except even more labyrithine from the isolation. A lady realizes she likes ladies instead of men and she goes to a bar... wherein she is instantly forced to decide whether she is to play the role of a stereotype of a man or the stereotype of a lady. Four nerds go into the basement to rebel against the school and the mountain of stupid meaningless rules therein... by playing D&D, the most ridiculous set of rules upon rules under God's blue sky.
Recoiling from the random crushing order of the pretend-game that we call "society" into... a microform with entirely different trappings but all the same damn rules of order that crushed you in the first place except, just maybe, you have a higher position within the micro-hierarchy as opposed to the macro-hierarchy.
Whole thing just bugs me. Instead of escaping the pretend to being adrift on a frightening sea of real... nope... just another smaller pretend where you like the wall-hangings and carpeting better.
Whereas, no, I'd just kind of like to watch the joust and maybe have a turkey leg without having an alternate posit of reality foisted upon me, thank you. As Ben Folds once said "I paid my money/and I'm gonna see all the movie".
I'll accept the possibility that I'm the one in the wrong by feeling these ways but...
I can't fight this instinct that I'm onto something.
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so write a self help book exposing the audacity of like minds to gather and enjoy each other in whatever situation and constraints they so choose, and pointing people away from same. i'm sure it'll sell like hotcakes.
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Whole thing just bugs me. Instead of escaping the pretend to being adrift on a frightening sea of real... nope... just another smaller pretend where you like the wall-hangings and carpeting better.
What the hell do you think is "real"? Some bizarre social void where nobody interacts and no rules or taboos are formed? You've got a pretty amazing solipsistic fantasy going on yourself there, mate.
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Disenchanted high school kids form a damn "goth" subgroup as catty and conformist as the cool kids, except even more labyrithine from the isolation.
I suppose being the one calling the shots/rules makes a world of difference.
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You may be onto something, but it's not exactly news. We're social animals. Forming social groups is what we do. You might as well moan about wombats digging tunnels. giraffe gotta swim, birds gotta fly, primates gotta know who's up and who's down and what the rules are. And then complain about it, I suppose.
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Ain't saying I have an answer. I don't think I've ever said I have good answers for anything.
Just a whole lot of questions and gut-feelings.
I believe you might be reading a bit more stridency into my gut-reactions to situations than I'm intending. Now, granted, I type quickly and have all kinds of ideas on a given notion when I think something through, some of them glib, some of them melodramatic so I see how the mistake is more mine than yours but...
Yeah. I'm "judging people" a lot less than I am "throwing ideas against a wall".
Anyway. Too many too-like minds and there is born an orthodoxy, no matter how good the intentions, I dunno.
And where there is orthodoxy, there are power differentials to be abused and that's where I check out, Charlie, like gone.
Immersive Pretend + Power Differentials = A Bad Moon Rising. I am wooged out, the subtle feelings of group-think and manipulation toward the consensus kick in and I don't wanna be nobody's master anymore than I wanna be anyone's slave.
It is why I am ultimately pretty bad at being a Good Liberal despite being a bleeding heart.
I don't want to exert power and I don't want power exerted upon me. Hate the feeling of either.
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Just a whole lot of questions and gut-feelings.
"Drama pipes" was never more accurately used to describe something than right now at this moment.
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Totally.
I am fully programmed to function exactly like a normal human being within a 3% tolerance.
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within a 3% tolerance.
For some reason this reminds me of a thing that has been bouncing around my head lately, which is that THEY ACTUALLY INVENTED TRANSPARENT ALUMINUM.
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For some reason this reminds me of a thing that has been bouncing around my head lately, which is that THEY ACTUALLY INVENTED TRANSPARENT ALUMINUM.
Yeah, but it's only transparent for like a millisecond before it explodes.
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also: yeah, I wasn't throwing ideas against the wall, I was judging people.
Silently, in a way that probably has only the effect of, say, making me spend 6 weeks with 1 friend at a linguistics conference, because the other people at the conference are all too nerdy? Yes. Exactly that way.
Exactly that way where I think that I am "too cool for those kids," and they think "that awkward kid has no friends, we should be nice to him."
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oh for fuck's sake all of you people shut up
here's a good solon-of-athens style compromise that will make no one happy but everyone will be at least equally unhappy
- everyone has the right to associate with whatever subculture or activity they choose (ren faires, juggalo gatherings, dragoncon, fantasy football, pub crawl clubs, 4H, the republican party, etc.)
- by that same token, if the majority of those people arent functioning members of society then everyone else gets to make fun of them
functioning, here, refers to a majority subset of:
- can hold down a job
- will not be declared self-destructive in terms of lifestyle habits by a AMA-licensed doctor, psychiatrist, etc
- expresses empathy for fellow human beings or humanity as a general
- has fewer than three felonies on their personal record
- has achieved at least a high school education or equivalent GED
- can be trusted, according to the standards of their community, to raise children
by this definition most ren faire people pass muster and most juggalos* do not
quod erat demonstrandum now shut the hell up
* also code pink
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oh for fuck's sake all of you people shut up
But I was only in this thread for the transparent aluminum.
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Oh, I won't deny anyone's right to say The Great Outdoor Juggle looks goofy as hell. I was mainly replying to the notion of going there (or the renfaire, or Rocky Horror, or etc etc) and then lecturing the natives on why they shouldn't be enjoying it.
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The Great Outdoor Juggle
I hope you like Dr. Pepper enough to enjoy this tiny can of it.
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I have been Summoned to weigh in on the topic of Juggalos. This is the first thing that comes to mind when I hear the word "juggalo".
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm250/DavidFailkips/1212449341530.jpg)
(also "Nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.")
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It looks like a casket, but it's really a cooler filled with Faygo.
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I sure hope so. Kid-size caskets are not laugh material, I don't care how ridiculous the parents are.
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Yeah.
There are so many jokes to be theoretically made but... that's a kid. A young kid.
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so no dead baby jokes? check...
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so no dead baby jokes? check...
... with a straw!
(Too soon, Phillipe!)
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... with a straw!
(Too soon, Phillipe!)
so maybe theres a difference between a dead baby joke, and taking lightly the death of an actual baby or child...
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I have typed this out like 7 times and then deleted it. May as well go for it.
I really want to understand the little thing the casket rests on top of. Is this like, a winch thing, or is it just a flat thing that holds the casket up and is removed to lower it into the grave, or what. If it lowers the casket, how do they get the straps out from under it? Do they just jimmy them around until they come out? that seems kind of disrespectful.
until I went to my first funeral, which was extremely recently, I didn't realize that part of what is really upsetting about funerals is that this box is there, and this person you love is in the box.
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I have typed this out like 7 times and then deleted it. May as well go for it.
I really want to understand the little thing the casket rests on top of. Is this like, a winch thing, or is it just a flat thing that holds the casket up and is removed to lower it into the grave, or what. If it lowers the casket, how do they get the straps out from under it? Do they just jimmy them around until they come out? that seems kind of disrespectful.
until I went to my first funeral, which was extremely recently, I didn't realize that part of what is really upsetting about funerals is that this box is there, and this person you love is in the box.
What it is is a way to keep straps taut until you put the box on it. Then you use the winch to make the straps less taut (there is a lot of strap) and this lowers the coffin into the ground. Once done they slide the straps by pulling it from one side and it slips under the coffin. The box is not jimmied. It is extraordinarily heavy (I've been a pallbearer).
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I was a pallbearer for my grandfather. I don't remember a lot from the day but I remember the casket being much lighter than I expected.
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I was a pallbearer for my grandfather. I don't remember a lot from the day but I remember the casket being much lighter than I expected.
When I die, I want my coffin to be a battering ram used to knock down the barricaded doors of the blacklit cathedral. It will be heaved by six burly men dressed like vikings and promptly hurled into a pit of molten lava at the apse. Then a choir of tall, skinny goth chicks will sing on cue: fuck THIS guy!
The stakes have been raised. Your move, Cassandra.
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Is there something wrong with Faygo? I stopped off at Oleason's in Michigan and carted a 12 pack of it back to Cali and it did no harm.
I've never tasted it, but based on that video I get the impression it's the dopest shit ever.
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Well, I can confirm that it does just fine with ice cubes and rum added to it, but it's just a flavoured cola on rent in the end.
About the grand burial dreams...just my opinion but who gives a toss? I'd hope I've done enough in my life that a burying wouldn't be a thing necessary to remember me by. Kick me in a hole and go to the after-party already.
But hey, it ain't for me and I won't be there to plan it so...whatever.
Death is the time when you guilt all of your friends and family into humoring you into doing the things they wouldnt be willing to do for you when you were alive. Like re-enact the Ramayana with Segways and compound bows instead of chariots and recurve bows. All with nightvision goggles on your third inner eye.
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About the grand burial dreams...just my opinion but who gives a toss? I'd hope I've done enough in my life that a burying wouldn't be a thing necessary to remember me by. Kick me in a hole and go to the after-party already.
But hey, it ain't for me and I won't be there to plan it so...whatever.
What he said.
Make me into Soylent Green. Like I give a fuck.
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Like re-enact the Ramayana with Segways and compound bows instead of chariots and recurve bows. All with nightvision goggles on your third inner eye.
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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faygo is thier soda of choice because its cheap(er than other sodas, apparently). wallowing in their own trashiness is a thing.
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About the grand burial dreams...just my opinion but who gives a toss? I'd hope I've done enough in my life that a burying wouldn't be a thing necessary to remember me by. Kick me in a hole and go to the after-party already.
Well I don't know how much of this he asked for, but we sent my friend out in style (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmcd9/sets/72157621998259444/).
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Well I don't know how much of this he asked for, but we sent my friend out in style (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmcd9/sets/72157621998259444/).
I like this. I like that you did your best to celebrate your friend's life rather than wallowing in sadness. Not that you're not sad, it's inevitable, but you make the best of it. I hope to be sent out this well.
Either that or have my ashes shot out of a cannon like Hunter S. Thompson.
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Well I don't know how much of this he asked for, but we sent my friend out in style (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmcd9/sets/72157621998259444/).
Very nice.
My dad always jokes he wants a viking funeral with his dog on his surfboard. Luckily he's pretty hardy so I've got a while to work out the legality of that.
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Very nice.
My dad always jokes he wants a viking funeral with his dog on his surfboard. Luckily he's pretty hardy so I've got a while to work out the legality of that.
I had no idea that vikings surfed.
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My dad says he wants to be cremated, put in a fried chicken bucket and floated away down the Erie Canal while a Dixieland band plays "Oh When The Saints Come Marching In".
Dad... Dad says a lot of things. Runs in the family.
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Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
We can make it happen, AW. We. Can. Make. It. Happen.
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My dad says he wants to be cremated, put in a fried chicken bucket and floated away down the Erie Canal while a Dixieland band plays "Oh When The Saints Come Marching In".
Dad... Dad says a lot of things. Runs in the family.
[[sings]]
oh youll always know your neighbor and youll always know your pal
if youve ever navigated on the erie canal
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[[sings]]
oh youll always know your neighbor and youll always know your pal
if youve ever navigated on the erie canal
My third grade music teacher told me to give you a can.
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That reminds me... I saw a movie a couple of weeks ago that was set on the Eerie Canal in the 1860s. Can't remember the name of it, but it was Henry Fonda's first movie so it should be easy to look up. In the movie they spent a lot of time in Little Falls and it reminded me of you Mike.
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I had no idea that vikings surfed.
They totally would have though.
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Just watched this (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/) episode of Frontline about marketing to teens. How they find what's cool and market it. They seek out teens that are trend setters and then expose it to a mass audience in the process killing it. Therefore what's cool was constantly shifting.
They make the point that the marketing reflects the culture and then becomes an echo chamber and the culture begins reflecting the marketing.
They used ICP as an example of authentic youth culture because they weren't created in some MTV lab. And that the rage they displayed was against the mass marketed culture itself. The show then posed the question was ICP so out there, so obnoxious and terrible that it couldn't be marketed. But yet they actually managed to do just that with the result being Limp Bizkit.
As horrible as they are I think they earned a little bit of respect from me for being who they are and not what Madison avenue created them to be.
I'm saying this very poorly. I encourage everyone to watch that program it was very enlightening.
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I am disappearing for a short while. If I don't come back by monday... start to think things.
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A-CAP is infiltrating the juggaloes.
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Missionary work preaching Objectificatologism to Juggalos is one of the funniest ideas ever.
It is like "The Gods Must Be Crazy" except with children raised by wolves and an autographed picture of Rush Limbaugh.
Surely, whether the outcome be accidentally fair (through cancelling out) or horrifically foul (through amplification) it shall be... interesting.
Godspeed, little doodle.
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Just watched this (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/) episode of Frontline about marketing to teens. How they find what's cool and market it. They seek out teens that are trend setters and then expose it to a mass audience in the process killing it. Therefore what's cool was constantly shifting.
They make the point that the marketing reflects the culture and then becomes an echo chamber and the culture begins reflecting the marketing.
They used ICP as an example of authentic youth culture because they weren't created in some MTV lab. And that the rage they displayed was against the mass marketed culture itself. The show then posed the question was ICP so out there, so obnoxious and terrible that it couldn't be marketed. But yet they actually managed to do just that with the result being Limp Bizkit.
As horrible as they are I think they earned a little bit of respect from me for being who they are and not what Madison avenue created them to be.
I'm saying this very poorly. I encourage everyone to watch that program it was very enlightening.
They started out selling their albums out of a van in high school parking lots (according to the legend, at least).
They are authentic counter-culture warriors because they're doing it for Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith:_Shangri-La)
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I do not know if authentic youth culture should involve like, renting out the hot dog stands that they have at state fairs, and charging people a lot of money to come to see your weird festival thing.
mostly I just hate the idea that the only way to avoid commodification of your culture by outsiders is to make it so... unlikable to me personally.
Let's be honest, one of my favorite bands is Nirvana. I can love something after it has been ripped off a whole lot. As long as it's, you know, good.
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I don't know, Nirvana has spawned so much terrible music I can hardly forgive them.
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My idea is that terrible music will always be around, and all Nirvana did was maybe shape the sound of terrible bands. I just watched hype! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype!) again yesterday so it's on my mind.
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Like I say, it's just what was put in my head.
My dad was just a little bit too young to really be of that generation and his whole life he has been haunted by the idea that Real Change could've come out of those years but because nobody stepped up, once none of them had to worry about themselves or their lovers getting drafted, the whole thing dispersed and everyone who wasn't too drug-addled to function stepped back into the legislated nostalgia of their parents' white-picket-fence yards to...
To raise a new generation, my poor generation, with the hope that maybe the responsibility could be shifted to them as their own absolution, only to end up with a twenty-year stretch of self-obsessed media addicts, self-obsessed funhouse-mirror Alex P. Keatons and... to borrow one of Hunter Thompson's best known phrases... all these failed seekers.
All the potential leaders assassinated, retired into narcissistic guruhood or too busy putting too much hope into their kids.
God, if I ever finish that novel I put down when my brother got sick, that's what it is on the deepest deepest level.
My wrestling with the shadow of my father's sense of generational loss. That while he was playing keyboards for small-time bands and slaving in a gun factory to feed his kids, America didn't quite die but at least rolled over in bed, refused Last Rites and asked for more morphine. Dylan is just one of the larger symbols of that.
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I'm not talking about the bands that came up with Nirvana, most of those bands were really cool actually. I remember seeing Gas Huffer in a sweaty attic bar in Lubbock Texas. I'm referring to the sea change in rock and roll that took place in their wake. And it ties in to what I was talking about with that Frontline piece. Did anyone watch that, it's very good. Anything that's cool and authentic gets seized by Madison Avenue and sold back to the kids.
So yeah Nirvana rocked like a mother fucker, awesome band. Seether and Staind and Creed and Days of the New and all the other corporate media message friendly rock bands that dominate the rock charts these days suck so much ass. When did whiny and pathetic become the new cool?
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No I get it. I'm just saying don't blame Creed on Nirvana. Blame Creed on 4 or 5 dudes who write shitty songs. And Madison Avenue if you need to.
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Oh I'm blaming Nirvana. I'm blaming the fuck out of 'em.
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By that logic, we should be blaming Les Paul for all of those bands, not to mention all the bad bands to come out after some arbitrary cutoff point.
"Inventor of the Solid-Body Electric Guitar, held responsible for the band Creed, died today at age 94."
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Canned for Onion-worthy headline.
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I can think of nothing worse than being held responsible for Creed. I'd rather go to a gathering of the Juggalos than a Creed concert.
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Oh man what if Edison and Tesla had a rap battle.
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Tesla would smoke his ass.
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I can think of nothing worse than being held responsible for Creed. I'd rather go to a gathering of the Juggalos than a Creed concert.
im sure creed and ICP have plenty of fans in common.
also, how much do you want to bet you and creed have common ancestry within the past 120 years?
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Anything's possible.
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I think there's got to be a generational step in between Nirvana and Creed. Like maybe Nirvana is responsible for the Foo Fighters and they are responsible for Creed.
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i hold pat boone responsible for creed, and andrew lloyd weber for scott stapp
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have you read the story on wikipedia of how Scott Stapp attempted suicide?
It is a really sad mix of... a really sad/pathetic story, and weird delusions of being more of a significant musical figure than he is.
it answered my wondering about, you know, "do creed know that they're horrible, or do they think they are a huge deal artistically as well as commercially?"
there was some really horrible popular band that I read an interview with where they explicitly said, "we do not care whether this music is good, it is making us money, we are crafting a product." I think I respect that more than the idea that Creed are really putting their best into expressing themselves through this music.
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Good News!!! Creed are getting back together.
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I remember seeing some interview or something with stapp talking about having like 3 shots of jager (it is a dessert drink people, please don't drink this to get drunk) before shows and how his life was spinning out of control.
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Oh man what if Edison and Tesla had a rap battle.
The challenge.
Edison thinks himself a rhyme creator
But you can call me Tesla the Alternator
First I zig, then I zag like alternating current
My rhymes are gonna shock you and not one of them is errant
So watch as my rhymes ignite and light the dark
Unless you wanna step on dog shit walking in Menlo Park
The response.
You try to step to Edison the Incandescent?
I've electrocuted elephants, you prepubescent!
Your lighting is as dim as a gaslight and match
Now let me invent the phonograph so my DJ can scratch
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Keep in mind that English was not Nikola's mother tongue.
Keep that in mind while you drink this tiny can of Dr. Pepper that I am giving you.
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Oh man what if Edison and Tesla had a rap battle.
Tesla would be recognized as the winner, but only decades after his death.
Another can for the inimitable Bobby.
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Tesla would get help from Mark Twain and win by ten million.
(At my brother's job, he named two machines Tim and Eric.)
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This ( http://www.route78west.com/rt78w/plist09/plist09.htm ) is the greatest thing.
For real, if you like americana music at all you have to download every one of these available. T. Texas Tyler, Red Simpson, Buck Owens and his Buckaroos, and Man or Astroman living peacefully, and awesomely, together.
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I remember seeing some interview or something with stapp talking about having like 3 shots of jager (it is a dessert drink people, please don't drink this to get drunk) before shows and how his life was spinning out of control.
Scott knew his life was spinning out of control when he needed to get lightly buzzed before performing. Shooting Jager is a gateway to Smirnoff Ice, and soon his contract rider demanded a variety six pack including the new pomegranate and mango flavors.
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This ( http://www.route78west.com/rt78w/plist09/plist09.htm ) is the greatest thing.
For real, if you like americana music at all you have to download every one of these available. T. Texas Tyler, Red Simpson, Buck Owens and his Buckaroos, and Man or Astroman living peacefully, and awesomely, together.
I like it. As does the wife.
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Creed decided Columbus, Ohio would be a good place to play on their reunion tour and they booked the 19,000-seat Nationwide Arena as the venue. We do have our share of people who can't get past that era in music (Staind, Limp Bizkit, 3 Doors Down, etc) but even the radio station that catered to their taste decided it was more reasonable to play Guns N Roses every third song with Metallica in between.
It appears they may have over-estimated demand because they've had to slash ticket prices: Now all seats are $10 to $15 and we're being given tickets by the stack as "promotional items."
Definitely one of those "Winner gets four tickets to see Creed, 2nd Place gets eight tickets to see Creed" situations.
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Definitely one of those "Winner gets four tickets to see Creed, 2nd Place gets eight tickets to see Creed" situations.
Maybe they should play prisons... as punishment.
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Seems to be a lot of that going around. We were at the Fairfax County Fair earlier this summer, and the stand from the local mall (which tells you what kind of fair we have in Fairfax county--no farm animals on display here, sadly) was giving out tickets to New Kids on the Block at the Patriot Center. Then last month I was at a Nats game, and they said if you bought a sandwich from the new barbecue stand, you could get a free ticket to Depeche Mode at Nissan Pavilion. (I actually thought about that one, but I had already gotten food so I passed on it.)
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First prize, a new car. Second prize... set of steak knives.
Third prize? You're CREED'D!
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If it was Duran Duran, though? I would totally eat an extra sandwich for Duran Duran.
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If it was Duran Duran, though? I would totally eat an extra sandwich for Duran Duran.
I would too, but only if I was Hungry Like the Wolves.
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I would too, but only if I was Hungry Like the Wolves.
I'm afraid my expanding waist could cause my ##### to Come Undone.
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Bump...
Set...
Spike!
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Seems to be a lot of that going around. We were at the Fairfax County Fair earlier this summer, and the stand from the local mall (which tells you what kind of fair we have in Fairfax county--no farm animals on display here, sadly) was giving out tickets to New Kids on the Block at the Patriot Center. Then last month I was at a Nats game, and they said if you bought a sandwich from the new barbecue stand, you could get a free ticket to Depeche Mode at Nissan Pavilion. (I actually thought about that one, but I had already gotten food so I passed on it.)
You struck me as more of a Siousxie and the Banshees type.
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You struck me as more of a Siousxie and the Banshees type.
Didn't get interested in them until college, their later stuff. Depeche Mode, the Smiths, the Cure, typical now-embarrassing stupid mopey high school stuff for that era.
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Didn't get interested in them until college, their later stuff. Depeche Mode, the Smiths, the Cure, typical now-embarrassing stupid mopey high school stuff for that era.
There's that thing in NE, Wasteland, tonight; may be your speed then.
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hm.
It really bothers me how Johnny Marr plays really cool guitar parts, and Morrissey whines over them. Stop whining in your annoying voice, dude who has the same birthday as me. Let the man play pretty jangling guitar parts.
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Fuckin a right, plus one of the best rhythm sections every formed.
But Morrissey.
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Raise your hand if you don't hate Morrissey.
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If you don't love Morrissey Jough will ban you.
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Seems to be a lot of that traveling around. We were at the Fairfax County Fair beforehand this summer, and the angle from the bounded capital (which tells you what affectionate of fair we accept in Fairfax county--no acreage animals on affectation here, sadly) was giving out tickets to New Kids on the Block at the Patriot Center.
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Toaster (http://blog.toaster-shop.com/blog/toaster)
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Precisely.
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I like the cut of this kid's jib.
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A can for both of you.
I suspect that BlindRose will get thirsty in oblivion.
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sorry, why are we canning spam bots?
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Because they will be thirsty in oblivion.
Also--because I can.
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You can therefore you can?
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sorry, why are we canning spam bots?
It's spam for toasters.
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Wombat would say that at least it's posting something.
I know this because I am the snarky part of her subconscious.
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I'm impressed with this bot, actually. Naming itself after one of my dogs to try to placate me seems like pretty sophisticated behavior for a computer program.
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actually it reminds me of robotpants bobby are you behind this
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actually it reminds me of robot***** bobby are you behind this
no
i am too lazy for this shit and have Real Problems lately
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no
i am too lazy for this shit and have Real Problems lately
Sorry you have Real Problems. I hope you find some Real Solutions.
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I hear scientology has helped millions of people with their problems.
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[you guys know where I stand on the scientology already, I bets]
Thats just your thetans talking. I bet you feel stressed a lot, too. Maybe pop on down to the local temple(?) and get one of those free stress tests they're always offering.
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This is what appeared after them word pairing in my head.
Nice2
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http://www.hulu.com/watch/113213/saturday-night-live-underground-festival
Starts out a little weak but the last 2/3 are pretty funny. Mark Fuhrman from the OJ trial? I am SO there.
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history of the juggalo (http://blogs.westword.com/backbeat/0721_juggalo.gif)
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Yeah, Carnival of Carnage, that's the ICP disc I have. It's their first one, huh.
You know, they are pretty fun once you realize it's not meant to be taken seriously.
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Yeah, Carnival of Carnage, that's the ICP disc I have. It's their first one, huh.
You know, they are pretty fun once you realize it's not meant to be taken seriously.
GWAR does it better, AFAIC.
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GWAR does it better, AFAIC.
Yeah, maybe, IDK, don't care. GWAR are having fun with Metal though and ICP are having fun with rap/hip hop.
Maybe I like ICP because I feel like I'm in on the joke. I get the feeling that most of their fans aren't, actually.
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I get the feeling that most of their fans aren't, actually.
i think youre right.
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Based on that photo of the Juggalo funeral, I'd say you're right GK.