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Achewood => Achewood => Topic started by: JorgeFabregas on September 24, 2010, 02:46:08 am
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Hypothesis: The Cure are the real-life musical act most referenced in achewood. Prove me wrong! I think that Onstad has a complicated relationship with The Cure.
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charles mingus, johnny cash, billy idol
edit: also what dude's head in a jar
basically that hypothesis needs prooving before you demand disproving STATE YER CASE
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keith moon/the who
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I guess I'm thinking of story arcs as a single reference (possibly).
http://achewood.com/index.php?date=06262002
The Cure is silly.
http://achewood.com/index.php?date=01282005
The driftwood will remind him about eternity
http://achewood.com/index.php?date=03102004
Kind of listenin' to The Cure and stuff
http://achewood.com/index.php?date=02092005
We ain't listenin' to The Cure on the way [We are listening to Sugar Loadzz].
http://achewood.com/index.php?date=05162006
Baths only
http://achewood.com/index.php?date=03012007
The Cure is on the radio
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Man, who doesn't have a complicated relationship with The Cure? Why couldn't they have just made 2 or 3 Boys Don't Cry and gone about their days.
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The Cure made a lot of good music.
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You missed one:
http://achewood.com/index.php?date=05242005
Inside the Volvo of Despair
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I never had a Cure phase. No one I knew in high school had a Cure phase.
Suddenly, I got to college and knew all kinds of people who had Cure phases.
Is it just a thing that in the rural Northeast pre-internet there wasn't enough Cure penetration to evoke a critical mass of Cure phases?
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So what's the verdict here, people?
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I am in the same boat with smets, I've only heard like three Cure songs on the radio and that's it, ever.
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I love Boys Don't Cry (or, Three Imaginary Boys, because that version of the album was 3$ cheaper when I was in high school and wanted to hear the cure.)
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I didn't listen to a whole lot of Cure, but I didn't grow up in the 80s either.
See also, Depeche Mode.
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The Cure's "Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me" was the first CD I ever purchased. (Note that I am old enough to have used vinyl records, so it's not the first recording overall.)
So yeah, I had a bit of a Cure phase, along with Depeche Mode, the Smiths, New Order, all that bullshit. The other night I was flipping channels, and VH1 Classic was playing "Just Like Heaven." I watched for about 30 seconds, and thought "I am embarrassed that I ever actually liked this wussy crap."
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I do not know if New Order and The Smiths belong in that category.
Johnny Marr, come on! That guitar!
New Order... well... I haven't listened to them a lot, but they could be pretty non-wussy when they were Joy Division.
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New Order... well... I haven't listened to them a lot, but they could be pretty non-wussy when they were Joy Division.
it doenst get more wussy than depression.
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This fucktard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88QLxLHQW_M) is a lot wussier than this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lEgoy-Kwu8), and has nothing to do with depression.
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Jorge, I think you are correct.
I like the Cure still, but, yeah. The Smiths are in an entirely different category. Joy Division too. But especially the Smiths. And even though I still like the Cure, especially Faith and Pornography, Robert Smith really bugs me. I agree that it is silly to like the Cure (and Depeche Mode for that matter, guilty on that charge as well), but liking the Smiths is just part of being a good person.
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liking the Smiths is just part of being a good person.
i guess im just a dick, then.........
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/inmyskittelz/black_sheep-1.jpg)
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Ha, that photo is so rad. That kid definitely hates the Smiths.
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you can say whatever you want, but liking that first Cure album is not wussy at all.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say that it is wussy, and the early stuff isn't wussy by any definition of that word, but it's silly to like them. I'm silly.
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I just listen to whatever the fuck music I want and don't give a fuck what other people think about it. I've found it is the best way.
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I bought a Paul McCartney album today.
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I just listen to whatever the fuck music I want and don't give a fuck what other people think about it. I've found it is the best way.
I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter, good sir.
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How about the Oasis http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07142003 (http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07142003) arc? They had a pretty good run.
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I bought a Paul McCartney album today.
Damn, son. You sure you want on the internet where anyone can find out?
What do y'all think the Tenmen sound like?
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I'm just sayin... I bought a Paul McCartney album and even I think it's silly to like the Cure.
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Damn, son. You sure you want on the internet where anyone can find out?
What do y'all think the Tenmen sound like?
There used to be two Tenmen songs on the Radio Achewood page. They... they were not good.
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I'm with oball on these matters, so I fully admit to liking The Cure (particularly Boys Don't Cry/Imaginary-era, then the Pornography-Disintegration-Bloodflowers "trilogy")(actually wearing a Cure shirt right now -_- ) AND Oasis (What's the Story (Morning Glory)? is just a damn solid album).
(Stackin' parenthetical asides three-deep since 1983.)
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OK, it's time to confess, I am not sure I have ever heard The Cure. How about somebody link to some song that's so famous that you're totally flabbergasted if I've really never heard it, and I'll check it out.
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This is probably their most famous:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvzlEfBYKVw
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Nope. Never heard it. I think I spent most of the eighties playing medieval and Renaissance music.
I imagined something totally different from the pictures. Weird.
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More like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRqvUDuXBQY)?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS_ux2H473I
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n2t7on6MR8
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX-Pd6NRK9s
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More like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRqvUDuXBQY)?
Yes, that makes a little more sense.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJLOr8S2d2E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbJwTyCcvYs&feature=related
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Is it just a thing that in the rural Northeast pre-internet there wasn't enough Cure penetration to evoke a critical mass of Cure phases?
you sound like a man in dire need of some Cure penetration.
/me puts the Boys Don't Cry single on the Victrola.
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Jesus fuck who cares.
The Cure is pure wussy pop and it is fuck*ng awesome. I'll tell you what, you ask Sir Paul what he thinks about the Cure and he'd say it was pretty finely crafted music.
Of course, I only listen to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnG6EHh1N4), over and over. My Mom turned me on to it.
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The Cure just ain't my thang. It's cool if it's your thang, but it ain't my thang.
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Beats me, man. Beats me why people like the Cure. Sure as hell ain't my scene.
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anthrax vs. the cure: discuss
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Has The Cure ever done a collaboration with Public Enemy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBA-xi8WuCU)?
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Of course, I only listen to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnG6EHh1N4), over and over. My Mom turned me on to it.
Long live drone.
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Anthrax played in Houston on Sunday (http://www.flickr.com/photos/groovehouse/sets/72157624925037929/with/5032015284/). I wanted to go so bad, but couldn't muster the coin.
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My favourite Anthrax song is, oddly, their cover of Thin Lizzy's "Cowboy Song".
This sounds like a recipe for dissonance but it just PUNISHES.
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My favourite Anthrax song is, oddly, their cover of Thin Lizzy's "Cowboy Song".
This sounds like a recipe for dissonance but it just PUNISHES.
I . . . had no idea this existed. I'm off to go find it, as Phillo is my favorite.
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It was the b-side for the Black Lodge single.
Of course, now that we're in The Future, we don't need to track down CDs anymore.
I kinda miss that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtnY4D5jtMo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtnY4D5jtMo)
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Looks like it showed up on a Thin Lizzy covers album, too.
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Well, it's certainly faithful.
Edit: Jesus that tribute album is awful. What's with the metal bands fronted by Cookie Monster? Can that stop, please?
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Jesus that tribute album is awful. What's with the metal bands fronted by Cookie Monster? Can that stop, please?
How about indy bands that find virtue in not knowing how to play their instruments very well. Can we do away with that too?
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And cue Dan's speech about how the only good music is by people who don't know how to play their instruments.
Because they spent all their trust-fund stipends on Pabst Blue Ribbon and ironic tee-shirts from the Salvation Army.
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And cue Dan's speech about how the only good music is by people who don't know how to play their instruments.
Because they spent all their trust-fund stipends on Pabst Blue Ribbon and ironic tee-shirts from the Salvation Army.
I'm all for people who can't play their instruments. Hell, that's me.
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How about indy bands that find virtue in not knowing how to play their instruments very well. Can we do away with that too?
you dont like the ramones?
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I don't mind if part of your thing as a band is your pose.
I get it, I understand the deal, you get your following by getting a "scene" to identify you, that's fine.
But if ALL the band has going for it is the pose, the band sucks.
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And cue Dan's speech about how the only good music is by people who don't know how to play their instruments.
Because they spent all their trust-fund stipends on Pabst Blue Ribbon and ironic tee-shirts from the Salvation Army.
You can have both mate
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I'm not too aware of any indie bands who are proud of sucking at music. I know that was a punk thing, but these newfangled indie kids are generally downright precocious.
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question never heard: "what ever happened to math rock"
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And even if it were asked, people would totally assume you meant "Matlock".
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What's with the metal bands fronted by Cookie Monster? Can that stop, please?
Nothing wrong with cookie monster vocals. For example, Opeth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB1NuL-8Dhc) and Swallow The Sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk6f_bv-aV8) both use them to good effect.
Although granted I do generally prefer the black metal rasp to the death metal growl.
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cobra commander vocal ftw
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Opeth is the one of the greatest live acts ever (edit: is the greatest), not the smallest reason being Akerfeldt's hilarious mic banter. The performances are tremendous but it's like I'm happy when songs end because I can't wait to hear what he's going to say next. Also once I did shrooms at the show: brilliant.
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I've seen them live twice. They are my favourite band.
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Nothing wrong with cookie monster vocals. For example, Opeth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB1NuL-8Dhc) and Swallow The Sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk6f_bv-aV8) both use them to good effect.
Although granted I do generally prefer the black metal rasp to the death metal growl.
I should have said "for me, the cookie monster-fronted metal band thing does not work. I cannot focus on the music without wincing."
You feel free to enjoy it, though.
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I've seen them live twice. They are my favourite band.
Oh dang, now I see that you're an Aussie. Did you see that Grand Final Replay? St. Kilda, amirite?
Anyway, I saw 'em twice too, but once with the shrooms and the other time I didn't pay soooo... I think I'm kinda in the lead.
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I think I am increasingly realizing that any really "affected" vocal style drives me insane. Whether it's cookie monster, weird hardcore screaming, or cutesy joanna newsom/dirty projectors crap.
am I making an arbitrary distinction between singing, which is inherently an affected style, and the styles I dislike? probably.
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Dude, do you understand that so much of what I don't like about some of the bands you push is that their musical style is the painful affection that "playing your instruments well smacks of effort so we're gonna try really really hard to seem like we're not trying?"
I don't mind a band that plays simple things early on and grows their work as they get experience. That's fine by me, I like some minimalist stuff that is well-structured and considered in its minimalism.
But so many of the "we can't play!" bands are a fuck*ng POSE about how effort ain't cool and how off-the-cuff genius is all that matters and people who have to work hard to do good things suck, here we are just strumming away and we're fuck*ng amazing and we aren't even trying!
It is what I hate about the majority of the fuck*ng beatnik writers too. The fuck*ng POSE. "Oh, I just automatically wrote this shit and didn't edit it, you're assholes for trying, fuck you!"
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Where the fuck did that come from?
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Sometimes I don't know what the fuck y'all are talking about and I'm cool with that.
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Dude, do you understand that so much of what I don't like about some of the bands you push is that their musical style is the painful affection that "playing your instruments well smacks of effort so we're gonna try really really hard to seem like we're not trying?"
Relax a touch, wouldja?
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but, like, me liking these bands is not some sort of weird pose.
I'm not saying "oh man, Thee Oh Sees' guitarist plays like shit, and I love how much this pisses on the idea of being good at your instrument, I am going to play their music in my house/car all the time and try to ignore it."
I'm saying "oh man, I really like the brutal, noisy way that John Dwyer plays his guitar. I find a lot of guitar playing to be boring, but hooo boy, this is really fun to listen to. I like listening to this music, so I will listen to it."
If i enjoy listening to music that sounds like this, it does not seem like a huge jump to say that the reason they make it is because it is the kind of music they like.
I have also thought a lot about the whole concept of "lo-fi" recording lately, and I think I have realized something. I am going to discuss this in the "What I'm listening to" thread, I think.
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"I like listening to this music, so I will listen to it."
It ought to be this simple.
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Roll with it, inev. It's all good.
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Is there an affectation where in order to be a good writer you have to act difficult and cantankerous?
Oh, is it not an affectation?
Well, then maybe other things that appear to be affectations are just different approaches to music that don't sound right to you. They might sound right to others.
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this just in: people with different concepts of good drawn to different styles of expression
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oh yeah?! well..... MY Jesus is better than YOURS!
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oh yeah?! well..... MY Jesus is better than YOURS!
You are just the kind of person who would like Jesus.