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Bobby Isosceles

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Tomorrow: Chicken!
« on: March 02, 2005, 04:51:50 am »

A sign that Golfhaus and I are probably completely insane:

(23:46:49) Golfhaus: You or someone should totally come up with some INSANE chicken recipe and call it "Tomorrow: Chicken!"
(23:47:11) Bobby Isosceles: THE CHICKEN OF TOMORROW
(23:47:24) Bobby Isosceles: an old gamey roaster stuffed with styrofoam packing peanuts and drizzled with aspic
(23:47:30) Bobby Isosceles: cooked in a blast furnace
(23:47:36) Bobby Isosceles: TOMORROW CHICKEN
(23:48:12) Golfhaus: and you gotta be... HELLA YELLING ABOUT THE GRAVY
(23:48:26) Bobby Isosceles: totally
(23:48:44) Bobby Isosceles: oh yes
(23:48:46) Bobby Isosceles: actually
(23:48:47) Bobby Isosceles: hold on
(23:48:50) Bobby Isosceles: this could work
(23:48:53) Bobby Isosceles: this COULD WORK
(23:48:54) Bobby Isosceles: look
(23:49:29) Bobby Isosceles: Tomorrow Chicken is Chicken stuffed with ball bearings and seared over VERY HIGH HEAT, then baked over medium low heat until the ball bearings are quite hot
(23:49:39) Bobby Isosceles: then drizzle in aspic that has been dyed blue with blue food coloring
(23:49:59) Bobby Isosceles: basically, the searing seals the juices in there, but the hot ball bearings cook it from the inside
(23:50:24) Golfhaus: sweet mother of mystery
(23:50:27) Golfhaus: you're right
(23:50:30) Golfhaus: that COULD work
(23:50:41) Bobby Isosceles: THIS IS GOING TO THE BOARD STAT
(23:50:49) Golfhaus: JESUS HELL YES

a little later

(23:56:47) Golfhaus: I'm not much a cook - the girlfriend is teaching me how since mom never really cooked anyway and i grew up not having the faintest - but there's a part of me that wants to go try it out like right away to see if it would work
(23:57:22) Bobby Isosceles: basically, you may want to get the ball bearings hot seperately, in hot oil
(23:57:30) Bobby Isosceles: and then stuff them in the chicken after it is seared
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V-Adore

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2005, 04:58:46 am »

Man, you should totally try this and report to us.

Also: "The Chicken of Tomorrow" was the title of an MST3K short subject film about... dunh dunh dunh... CHICKEN FARMING IN THE FUTURE. Oh yeah.
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Bobby Isosceles

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2005, 05:02:22 am »

Quote from: "V-Adore"
Man, you should totally try this and report to us.

Also: "The Chicken of Tomorrow" was the title of an MST3K short subject film about... dunh dunh dunh... CHICKEN FARMING IN THE FUTURE. Oh yeah.


I need to do a little Alton Brownery and decide if I want small ball bearings (high surface area to volume ratio will mean better heat transfer) or large ball bearings (will hold heat better and release over time)

Another interesting concept would be Chicken a la Gage: ram a hot metal pipe into the chicken and bake it from the inside that way -- and then when you eat it change your personality.


EDIT: Alton Brownery implies large ball bearings and some sort of conductive liquid - the result would be poaching the chicken from the inside. Since the secret to poaching (after the initial higher-than-boiling temperature to kill off bacteria) is to remain at the optimal target temperature for the meat, having large ball bearings searing the inside to kill germs, and then having the cavity filled with a liquid would leave the meat at its target temperature for a slow poach.

EDIT II: The liquid could be blue (food coloring) to dye the meat from the inside. This will require scoring the inside cavity several times as well as poking several small holes from the inside out (the direction is important as we want capillary attraction to pull the blue fluid OUT of the cavity and INTO the meat).

EDIT III: The liquid should probably be blue curacao. The acidity and heat conductivity will help immensely, plus the dying effect should be pretty apparent, and not to mention as the chicken bakes, the curacao's alcohol will evaporate (out the scoring holes, providing the geysering needed to dye the meat) thus eliminating any strong tastes; something you can't do with another citrusy liquid like Orange Juice. Perhaps a 50/50 curacao/orange juice+blue coloring solution?

EDIT IV: I wonder if we can sear the outside of the chicken and then put it in the microwave (balls, liquid and all). The microwave would have the dual effect of exciting the liquid to a rapid boil for the poach, and superheating the metal balls to provide a long-lasting heat radiation mechanism to keep the meat at target temperature during the post-boil portion of the poach. Plus it involves MICROWAVE TECHNOLOGY which is obviously a feature of the future; perfect for TOMORROW CHICKEN. Plus it could be cooked in ten minutes or less (for a whole chicken!) The down side is, the microwave time has to be calculated fairly well or people will die. Good for exhibition cooking, but we'd probably want to stick to standard heat sources for day to day stuff.



god damn it alton where are you when we need you
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2005, 06:33:04 am »

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2005, 07:16:06 am »

Hmmmm.
I am slightly concerned about the idea of heating ball bearings in oil. Just seems like a bad idea to me. Also, I don't know how well they'd hold their heat that way?
Is this something people do, or did you just decide this randomly?
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Bobby Isosceles

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2005, 01:44:50 pm »

Quote from: "slink"
Hmmmm.
I am slightly concerned about the idea of heating ball bearings in oil. Just seems like a bad idea to me. Also, I don't know how well they'd hold their heat that way?
Is this something people do, or did you just decide this randomly?


Randomly - now I am thinking about using another hot liquid, such as blue curacao.
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2005, 02:37:37 pm »

Will the Ball Bearings really retain enough of the Blue Curacao to have it dye the meat?  Or are you talking about something like roasting the chicken with the cavity facing up so you can fill it with liquid?  

I'd also say large ball bearings would be easier to remove after cooking.  I'd be too worried about a small ball bearing somehow making it onto the dinner plate and breaking a tooth.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2005, 02:40:12 pm »

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Will the Ball Bearings really retain enough of the Blue Curacao to have it dye the meat?  Or are you talking about something like roasting the chicken with the cavity facing up so you can fill it with liquid?  

I'd also say large ball bearings would be easier to remove after cooking.  I'd be too worried about a small ball bearing somehow making it onto the dinner plate and breaking a tooth.


The ball bearings will radiate heat. The Curacao will be inside the cavity, filling the spaces in between the ball bearings. The effect will be to grill/poach the chicken from the inside. The chicken cavity will be sealed shut with a rubber stopper.

We are aiming for large ball bearings, golfball sized or larger.

Also, the chicken will be brined in the Blue Curacao (with kosher salt for good measure). This is what will do the dyeing for the most part.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2005, 08:42:38 pm »

How do you prepare the chicken's cavity-hole so that it will seal with a rubber stopper?

I suggest suturing the chicken's cavity hole shut around the rubber stopper for good measure.

Also be sure you use food-grade rubber stoppers and food-grade ball bearings. Very important.
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2005, 08:45:10 pm »

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How do you prepare the chicken's cavity-hole so that it will seal with a rubber stopper?

I suggest suturing the chicken's cavity hole shut around the rubber stopper for good measure.

Also be sure you use food-grade rubber stoppers and food-grade ball bearings. Very important.


Suturing could work - But I am thinking of caulking the outside of the stopper with honey. The heat radiating from within should caramelize the honey and seal it shut.

Self-sealing poultry! This is clearly TOMORROW CHICKEN.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2005, 08:49:29 pm »

You could also use honey and a blowtorch to 'solder' the chicken around the stopper as well, but you would want to use a stopper with a very high melting point.
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2005, 08:55:55 pm »

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You could also use honey and a blowtorch to 'solder' the chicken around the stopper as well, but you would want to use a stopper with a very high melting point.


A creme brulee torch would be perfect for this. Perhaps a ceramic stopper would work as well. Ceramics are HIGH TECH people. This is TOMORROW CHICKEN.
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2005, 07:51:54 pm »

Damn it Isosceles, you'd better not have been yanking our chain on this Tomorrow Chicken thing, particularly if you're going to leave a link to the thread in your sig.  

WHERE DOES THIS PROJECT STAND?
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2005, 08:02:27 pm »

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Damn it Isosceles, you'd better not have been yanking our chain on this Tomorrow Chicken thing, particularly if you're going to leave a link to the thread in your sig.  

WHERE DOES THIS PROJECT STAND?



Pending materials purchase. Can someone find me food grade ball bearings damnit!
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2005, 09:21:36 pm »

I don't remember if we discussed this before, but if you're up for ceramics instead, Kyocera makes their ceramic knives out of alumina and zirconia.  You can pick up milling media of either of these ceramics pretty easily, from places like CoorsTek for example.

Edit:  Or if you want steel, you might consider something like a 304 stainless steel.
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