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[CortJstr]

People people we're 15 posts in! If somebody doesn't start bitching about Triple H soon the IWC Enforcement Squad is going to come down on us.

That said, which of the innumerable websites all falling over themselves &c &c does anybody out there follow?

And is there anyway to see ROH without buying DVDs? Stupid Netflix doesn't carry them and they have no TV deal.

[Choop]

Yeah, I liked the first Ultimate Warrior - the shorter one, who never spoke.

Then he up and sold the character to that Hellwig nutcase, and the world has never been the same.

[miles]

Also, Paris is hott...

Am I the only person who doesn't agree with this?  Who, in fact, is not attracted to her at all?  And trust me, I can appreciate superficial beauty.

[CortJstr]

Also, Paris is hott...

Am I the only person who doesn't agree with this?  Who, in fact, is not attracted to her at all?  And trust me, I can appreciate superficial beauty.

Word. But then I've only see pictures of her that were airbrushed to an insane degree which is automatically several points off. It's the same reason I never got the whole Britney Spears thing.

And just to prevent this hijack from being hijacked: Melina's boobs are gross. Her entrance is dandy but that is one foul boob job.

[cellardoor]

Isn't Stacy Keibler the only diva to not have augmentations?
And as such is still the hottest of the lot.
I like HHH, especially the new 'tache and, as a UK resident, I get the one night stand show for free on a cable station.
I'm hoping the wwe players don't end up overrunning the whole show, especially as the card so far is lining up very nicely.
Ah, nostalgia!
Again, as a UKer, I have a good hook-up who keeps me up to date with ROH.
But i've not found anywhere on the net that will let you d/l ROH.

Anyone out there into the more laughable side of pro-wrestling should look at Wrestlecrap.com.
And TheDDT.com is a fairly funny wrestling site as well.

[St_Zartan]

Also, Paris is hott...

Am I the only person who doesn't agree with this?  Who, in fact, is not attracted to her at all?  And trust me, I can appreciate superficial beauty.

Oh, Christ, don't get me started. It's as though her face was genetically engineered to have one and only one expression - Smug Plutocrat.

But yeah, I'm totally with you on the "appreciating superficial beauty" thing: it really makes each day more of an aesthetic buffet*, having a taste for both the unconventional (ever read Dan Clowes' "Ugly Girls" in Eightball?) and the blatantly mainstream. Which is why I agree that Stacy Keibler is in fact the most beautiful of the - glk - "Divas" (the only time I can stand that word as it is commonly used is when Jim Ross is saying it, because his voice unintentionally throws it into a light absurd enough to be enjoyed), even though her genes pretty much ought to be harvested for the inevitable commercially available "Grow Your Own Girl Next Door" pods.

Quick - favorite ringside announcers - go!

*Yeah, I'm a lech, but hey - at least I'm subtle and fuck*ng inclusive about it.

[CortJstr]

Stacy is obviously the hottest. Molly wasn't enchanced and I'm not sure about Victoria (didn't she start out as a ho who broke up Eddie and Chyna?) but she's only hot when she's nuts and preferably paired with Stevie. Gail Kim would've looked better had she not had her's done.

I can't remember if I said this here or not, but I'll be fine with the "invasion" of ONS if Taz either makes them run away scared shitless like he did Lawler or if he just starts handing out ass whippings. Or a surprise appearance by Raven.

Best announce team? Taz(z) + Mike Tenay. Two weeks ago during MNM's entrance was a classic moment. Melina did her entrance and Cole says, "you can do that right?" And Taz starts to call Cole an idiot as per usual but then switches to, "wouldn't it be funny if I could? No, really. Wouldn't it be weird if I could do that?" That's the hardest I've laughed at somebody not named Christian in months.

[CortJstr]

cellardoor, check your damn PMs!

For those who are TNA-less I present the Canadian Destroyer. The coolest yet least realistic finisher ever seen.

[cellardoor]

Cor....what I can say?
Thanks, big thanks!
I think that's got to be the single most dangerous finisher i've ever seen.
Essentially the poor sod taking the move has to backflip...ONTO HIS HEAD!
Nasty but unreal to watch. I think I marked out...jebus!
And those two matches are fricking great. I'm definitley going to have to convince my friends to get the wrestling channel.

Best announcers?
Hmm, I do like JR, Heyman and Joey Styles. Taz and JR were awesome at the 2004 rumble so i'd go with that.
Although Tenay and Dusty Rhodes in wcw were also hilarious.

[St_Zartan]

Here's my confession: I like to mark out more or less completely while watching wrestling, and then analyze / smark it up afterwards. Of course, when the product is shit, it shatters the suspension of disbelief, but generally speaking, my attitude is no different from when I'd watch a movie or go see a play - I want to receive the performance as it was meant to be received, which is, I'll admit, tricky with wrestling as there are so many layers of performance involved and the fan's knowledge of / interaction with the sport is more or less factored into the crafting of that performance.

Basically, I don't care how much I know about what's going on behind the scenes; in the heat of the moment, I want my HOLY SHIT DID YOU SEE THAT moments (I watched that Canadian Destroyer GIF like twenty times in a row last night) and, with a good product, I get them. That's why I enjoy watching older matches (pre-McMahon's testimony / "sports entertainment") - even if the partici##### are over the top, straining credulity with their appearance and action, the announcers are calling it completely straight. Gordon Solie was so good for this; the man had such a classic sportscaster demeanor and voice. Listening to him at times, it's hard to believe he was in on the game, if you know what I mean. I wish I could find more recordings of matches he called with some of the old greats.

Cort's given me shit before for saying that I like JR, but I do, pretty much for the same reasons I liked Gorilla Monsoon - they're just blatantly blustery face announcers who, at the worst of times, simply CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT THEY'RE SEEING. Monsoon and Heenan together was magic.

[CortJstr]

You guys should see Jerrell Clark (sp?) take the Destroyer. After landing on his head he basically bounces back up onto his feet then crashes down onto his back then he just lays there.

I'm not saying JR totally sucks but he's not what he used to be. He constatly miscalls moves (I don't think he even remembers what the Unprettier is anymore) which bugs me. But he, and to a lesser extent Don West, sometimes keeps everything turned up to 11. When he's yelling, "OH MY GAWD DID YOU SEE THAT SIDE RUSSIAN LEGSWEEP KING?!" and then the guy gets legswept into retaining wall there's nowhere for JR to go. When a regular move is called as if it were death when something actually badass happens he can't react appropriately. Granted I'm exaggerating a bit to make my point but you see what I mean.

HOLY SHIT DID YOU SEE THAT moments, eh? Do you watch TNA? And did you see Turning Point in December? If not I believe I have something that you desparately need to witness.

I do agree that being "smart" ruins things sometimes. Every time I watch Paul London I'm sad because I know what he could actually be doing. And they won't let him use the London Calling because it's Kidman's move. And for some reason they let him do the London Underground but just call it the 450 splash. But other times being smart helps. I think the WMXX main event was 20 times better if you knew Benoit was awesome and always got screwed. And if you "knew" that Triple H had too much backstage control and would never drop the title. And if you "knew" that Shawn had almost as much pull and gets to pick and choose his losses. For the finish the smarts were on their feet yelling, "tap! Tap you sonofabitch tap!" that much louder.

Well somebody has to bring it up so what about the Lita thing? She doesn't make a good heel but I think it was the right move from WWE's perspective. Because now the "marks" yelling at her for storyline reasons are drowning out the "you screwed Matt" chants. And those chants were spreading which was the last thing they wanted.

[cellardoor]

I think the xxx/AMW cage match NEEDS to be distributed!
Jesus christ, that was awesome!
I think my heart momentarily stopped when Skipper goes for the hurracanrana...off the top of the cage!
Just as a low-down, heated brawl that was stunning. The interplay with the 'cuffs was cool, good way to balance the match.
PM it to as many people as want it, it's brilliant.
I'm now hoping for region 2 dvd releases of TNA.

Hmm, smart or mark? I tend to sit firmly in the mark camp, if only because the scott keith's (all of 411 in fact) of this world make me ashamed.
But I like to get riled up and excited for matches, that's what it's all about!
I find myself watching ECW and TNA for those holy shit moments but when somehting big happens in the WWE I mark out twice as much.
I guess i'm just a WWE fan!
Bless them though, they've been treating fans damned well. Check out the flair dvd, the benoit and guerrero packages and the ECW disc.
Arguably too one-sided in their retrospective but still...great stuff for old and new fans.

Lita? Edge? I'm loving the heat they get just by being but there's nowhere to go unless Matt comes back.
And I don't see that happening sadly.
Awesome though the matches (edge/matt) could be I really don't think Hardy will be back.
Shame, it could be close to a HBK/Bret Hart type rivalry.

Ooh, CM Punk seems to be one of WWE's top interests.
Anyone seen his stuff with Raven? The straight-edge angle?

[CortJstr]

I think the xxx/AMW cage match NEEDS to be distributed!
Jesus christ, that was awesome!
I think my heart momentarily stopped when Skipper goes for the hurracanrana...off the top of the cage!
Just as a low-down, heated brawl that was stunning. The interplay with the 'cuffs was cool, good way to balance the match.
PM it to as many people as want it, it's brilliant.
I'm now hoping for region 2 dvd releases of TNA.

It helps to know that leading up to that Skipper had been doing a rope-walk hurricanranna so often it had become boring. It was like the 619 because it was cool but the set-ups become more and more contrived just so he could hit the move every match. This was his way of reminding the fans how badass this move really is. And according to interviews he called it on the fly. I loved that the fans realized what he was trying to do and started chanting, "please don't die" while he was still climbing. And again, the cuffs had been a focal points for weeks during the build which added even more poetic justice to their usage.
I'm not sure about the DVD. The two matches I sent you were awesome but the rest of the show was kind of meh. Most of their PPVs have been like that. One or two **** matches and some filler. Plus I'm still mad at them for totally fuck*ng up The Alpha Male's title shot. The fans were actually chanting "drop the title" at Jarret and Monty was so freaking over. Bastards.

Hmm, smart or mark? I tend to sit firmly in the mark camp, if only because the scott keith's (all of 411 in fact) of this world make me ashamed.
Bless them though, they've been treating fans damned well. Check out the flair dvd, the benoit and guerrero packages and the ECW disc.
Arguably too one-sided in their retrospective but still...great stuff for old and new fans.

Scooter bugs me. He's so obviously biased that he trashes most everything and everybody not named Benoit/Hitman. Although the first time he saw the Destroyer he had my favorite reaction, "HOLY FUCK, what was that? I mean, DAMN!" Rumor is there's going to be a special edition re-release of Rise and Fall of ECW where it will come with One Night Stand in a 3 or 4 disc set.

Ooh, CM Punk seems to be one of WWE's top interests.
Anyone seen his stuff with Raven? The straight-edge angle?

I missed that angle in ROH but pretty much concurrently in TNA there was and angle where Punk and somebody else were in Raven's Flock when he was feuding with Father Jim Mitchell and the New Church. Needless to say Raven was turned on and many a Pepsi Plunge resulted. I believe it finshed up with Raven vs. Punk in A Clockwork Orange House of Fun match.

[Golfhaus]

I believe it finshed up with Raven vs. Punk in A Clockwork Orange House of Fun match.

Oh, now you're just making stuff up.

PLEASE, tell me you're just making stuff up.

I haven't watched wrestling in a couple years - I tuned out about two weeks after the Triple H/Kane bit with the Katie Vick "necrophilia" video. If I'm flipping around and I see it, I'll watch for a few minutes. I hop on wwe.com every once in a while to see who has the belts. It took Wikipedia for me to learn about the Lita/Edge thing. Not real clear on the details of why this ended up with Matt being the one out of a job, but it seems like one of those things where there's no going back. They'll always be heels in the fans' hearts from here on out. They STILL get on Hebner's case with "You screwed Bret," especially in Canada, and that was like 50 years ago in wrestling-time. Most fans will go with the tides on storyline face/heel turns, but the real-world shit sticks FOREVER.

I still get the urge to watch steroid junkies make millions of dollars to pretend to compete, but now, when I do, I just watch Major League Baseball.

[arkabee]

i enjoy wrestling but have not been watching for quite a bit due to punishment.

AW- memphis wrestling is still (or it was 6? months ago...) alive and well on saturday morning memphis television, still with superstar dundee, jimmy hart, and the king.

i think victoria came outta the memphis scene, but she seemed to have gotten signifigantly buffer.  hmmm.