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[miles]

OK, I am so confused by all this nonsense.  Chips?  Toothpaste?  Vinegar?

Is the toothpaste really that good?

[JorgeFabregas]

http://www.tomsfoods.com/products.cfm

Not the same, you see. The other company makes natural bathroom products. And yes, they are pretty good and "natural."

[CortJstr]

Eh. I'm a Dirty Chips man. Mmm, Lightly Salted.

[Bozack]

I didn't know you liked sailors so much.

REMEMBER THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TOMS, PEOPLE.

[pmcd9]

I guess i'm the last to see Molly for what she is, but there is no doubt about it now, she's a bitch.

~Paul

[Ben-San]

I guess I am not sure what about the most recent entries casts a clear light of truth on Molly == Bitch. The potato-chips scenario is one of Beef's worst-case imaginings as far as I can tell and I have to say that his Christmas list really is pretty non-helpful for someone who wants to treat him better than he thinks he deserves to be treated.

[Hobot]

I agree with Ben; I don't understand why the recent blog updates are definitive proof of Molly's bitchiness.  She's not my favourite character, but I think she makes Beef at least somewhat happier than he would be if he were alone.  I didn't get the impression that she outright refused Beef's request for steak and eggs; she was just frustrated that he didn't provide her with a better way to show how much she cares about him.

Maybe I'm sympathising with Molly because my SO is kind of like Beef, in that he doesn't like the gift-giving aspect of the holiday season; this makes me feel guilty that I do enjoy it, "And that sends me into a shame spiral."

Having said that, I do miss Heaven Molly.

[wombat]

Having said that, I do miss Heaven Molly.

Yeah, well isn't that how we all feel when the honeymoon is over...

[pmcd9]

I agree with Ben; I don't understand why the recent blog updates are definitive proof of Molly's bitchiness.

It's proof because Beef made a very simple request and she is blaming him for not doing her job for her.  If she doesn't like his suggestion (an unexpected steak) and wants to give him a "proper" present she should just do it and stop complaining that Beef isn't being helpful.  Mantonio mentioned that "Molly needs to do a better job of understanding her man."  I agree, if she was paying attention she wouldn't need a fuck*ng list, she would already know what he wants/needs.  But she's in holiday complaint mode.  I just can't stand people who act like they're oh so put upon by the holidays.

~Paul

[Ben-San]

Well, it's not like Molly can't/won't come up with original gift ideas for Beef; see also the train schedule last year. The problem as I read it is that she sees Beef as having on one hand asked for a more direct communication and then on the other refused to give it. Calling the list swap a bitchy thing for her to try is perplexing as it appears to be Beef's idea.

[CortJstr]

Maybe I'm sympathising with Molly because my SO is kind of like Beef, in that he doesn't like the gift-giving aspect of the holiday season; this makes me feel guilty that I do enjoy it, "And that sends me into a shame spiral."

So you're seeing Brad Goodman?

[V-Adore]

Speaking as someone who has a very, very Beegiraffe SO -- yes, it is hard to understand your man, especially when you know that doing basically anything he doesn't like sets off a cascade of passive-aggressive shame. I can empathize with Molly here a lot. ("Why am I supposed to explain my every fleeting thought clearly, but you can be obscure and I'm supposed to put up with it?")*

Molly is doing her best with a difficult guy, and Beef is doing his best to deal with the complex and difficult social interaction that is being in a relationship. I think it's a bit simplistic to describe their dynamic as one-sidedly as "Molly is a bitch," much like I don't think Beef and Ray's dynamic can be summed up with "Ray is an asshole." One ofthe things I like best about this comic is that, for all its absurdity, the character relationships are well-textured and have realistic complexity.

* In many ways the difference between my SO and Beef is that Beef tries harder.**
** Sorry. Love-life things aren't going so hot for me right now. I promise to get back to talking about the depressed dogs and retarded otter soon.

[arkabee]

if i asked for steak and eggs for christmas,
and i got steak and eggs for christmas,
i'd be happy.

if i asked for steak and eggs for christmas,
and i was told that was not an acceptable answer,
i'd be sad.

if i asked for steak and eggs for christmas,
and i got steak and eggs for christmas,
and i was brought the steak and eggs on a nice
plate carried by the person i loved wearing a cute
christmas outfit and was also presented with
unasked for things like maybe my favorite beer
and clutch playing on the cd player
then that would be extraordinary.

[Bozack]

I would think that buying gifts for Beef would be the easiest thing on Earth- whatever you get him, he will be amazed that you got it. CD's, DVD's, books, magazines- he's gonna love it. However, we did see how he reacted to the shirt she bought him.
I think I've finally figured out my family enough to actually get something for my dad that he might actually like/use: two hardcover (hard-cover is key for my dad) books by Joseph Ratzinger, a.k.a. Notorious P.O.P.E., one on  the Liturgy and one on unknown implications of the Cathecism. I'm sure these make my employee holds look a bit off at work, because there are two books by the Pope right next to the book and DVD of Naked Lunch (for my brother).

[miles]

I would think that buying gifts for Beef would be the easiest thing on Earth- whatever you get him, he will be amazed that you got it.

That's a good point.  And if he doesn't like it, he'll feel too guilty to actually tell you.