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Re: Buying a new PC...
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2006, 12:42:28 am »

I am a closet geek and I attempt to not get into these discussions because it degenerates into fighting and weirdness that will not help non-geeks.


Let's look at it this way.  What you are asking for is doable by a computer that was "the latest thing" about 5 years ago or so, so there's no reason to the break the bank unless you're suddenly determining you need to be doing some serious CAD work or becoming a high end PC gamer.


My suggestion:  Fuck Dell.  Have someone build one for you if you think they'll be willing enough to help you (I charge all the people I build for in support unless they're good friends or family), or get something relatively stable and of standard market works.  Flip has some good points up there mostly.. you'll get more bang out of AMD.  The real question is how much do you want to spend and how long do you want this machine to last?
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Re: Buying a new PC...
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2006, 02:18:51 am »

And often not just cheap crap, but cheap *proprietary* crap.  If you want to upgrade a Dell, you'll have to do it through Dell.

Huh.  I stuck a new hard drive in one of them, and a couple sticks of memory in the other.  I do have a video card I could put in one, but I haven't tried yet.  Are you saying I can't? 

Also, re: HP.  I've had two.  The first one would only run Windows ME.  Tried installing 2000, tried installing XP, neither would run.  The second HP had two (count 'em, two) motherboards go bad in just over a year.  They did service it reasonably quickly (10 days), but I wasn't happy with their reliability.  I wasn't happy at all.

I'm not disputing El Guapo.  He is my computer guru.  I'm just relating my unsophisticated experience.  I'm happy with my Dells.
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Re: Buying a new PC...
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2006, 02:21:37 am »

To be fair to HP, I'm posting this from my HP laptop, which I bought used about 5 years ago.  It's hell of beat up now, but it's been all over with me and still does what I need it to.  So that's a positive HP experience.
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Re: Buying a new PC...
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2006, 03:26:39 am »

I used to be like your friend.  I would say "I'll build you one cheaper and better than one you can buy."  And that part was true.  I'd set the system up the way I wanted, and it would be perfect and clean and fast for games.

The problem is that the people I built it for didn't use it the way I would, and so there was frustration on both ends when they wanted to do something else.  And there was special frustration when they installed something I wasn't familiar with and then wanted my help to fix it if it did something odd.  Things got worse when distance was involved.

In short, your friend means well, and probably does not understand why this is a bad idea, but it is a very bad idea.  When "some guy" builds your computer, "some guy" is your ONLY source of support.

As for buying a prepackaged PC, I am overcoming my reflexive dislike of HP that I developed some 10 years ago.  As a matter of fact, my current "gaming" PC is a $650 HP system that I added parts to.  It works quite well, and since HP uses standard parts it was no problem to upgrade.  I used to like Dell a lot, but strangely they seem to have lost quality *and* value at once, and so I'm not so sure now.

From your description, you don't need a gaming system, but since you seem to be a long term user, there are some component choices I would make to "future-proof" it in case something breaks 5 years from now:

(Also note: you don't need to know what these things do, just what they are called.)
  • 64-bit processor (this means an AMD, not Intel)
  • Serial ATA (SATA) hard disk (not IDE)
  • A PCI Express slot (Not AGP)
  • 2 Open DIMM slots

Because you currently have an older computer and probably don't want to set up a network to transfer files, you probably still want a floppy drive for your new computer.  This isn't included on most new ones by default.

How much do you want to spend?  A basic, cheapest-of-everything computer can be had for around $600, but I would recommend something in the $1000-$1200 range.

Also, do you need a new monitor?  I would recommend a 17" LCD if you do not have a LCD, or maybe a 19" if you want to get really fancy.

Do you have a digital camera, or anticipate wanting to use one in conjunction with your computer?  A digital video camera?

Do you need a modem still, or do you have high-speed access pretty much everywhere you might use this computer?

What word processing software do you use?  Would you want to get a new version of it, or maybe use something else?  Is there any software that you need to use for file compatibility with work or something?

I can recommend a general configuration once I know what you use and what you want to spend.

(Edited lots 'cause I keep thinking of new questions)
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Re: Buying a new PC...
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2006, 05:26:40 am »

I would definitely get an LCD display.  I wouldn't skimp on it, either.  You can always upgrade later, of course.  But you can get a decent 19" LCD for around $300 (USD). Keep in mind that pre-packaged systems almost never come with a monitor anymore.  So your overall budget should leave some extra money for the display.

Yeah, I'm pretty hardcore in the use of my PC - I'm probably deluding myself thinking that this one will last me that long with no upgrades (well, I'll probably only have to upgrade the video card during the PC's life cycle, and that's just to keep up with newer games).

Of course, I hope to be fabulously wealthy within the next three years and will have plenty of money to get a new kick-ass PC.

The 2 empty DIMM slots as mentioned above are for RAM (main system memory). 

We can help steer you towards a good system if you're deciding between a couple of them, etc.  Just point us to a URL or post specs here, etc.

Again, I'd recommend highly against having a friend build the system for you unless that friend is also going to be able to offer 24/7 support.

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Re: Buying a new PC...
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2006, 12:34:25 pm »


In short, your friend means well, and probably does not understand why this is a bad idea, but it is a very bad idea.  When "some guy" builds your computer, "some guy" is your ONLY source of support.


What he said.  And I said. And Jough said. Etc.
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Re: Buying a new PC...
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2006, 07:31:35 pm »

Wow, thanks folks, that's a lot of foreign information that will be incredibly useful.  I'm going to take some serious time to go shopping and see what's out there. 

After the resounding argument against having someone else build it, I will definitely not go that route.  Apart from my buddy, my SO has a gaggle of close friends in various areas of technical support and engineering that all have their two cents, so to avoid ending up with a Franken-puter, I will take the well advised, sane route and buy off the shelf.

Yes, I'm expecting to spend somewhere around $1000 total.

I am hoping for long term use - I'd like to get 5-10 years out of my computer, and since its main function is mostly just going to be tapping out scripts, I hope this isn't totally impossible.  I've ridden my first computer out to near obsolete-ness, and that's what I'd like to do with this next one.

Also, I have no issues with the quality of my current, but very old, monitor, and kind of thought I'd just go for the system now, and wait for the old monitor to crap out. I can understand why an LCD monitor is all 'round kinder on the eyes and that in the long term that it is what is replacing the old style monitors, but is it really a necessity, right now?  I mean I realize my current monitor is giving me eye cancer, but the cysts are manageable right now.  Not spending $$ on the monitor now means a better quality system. Or would a monitor as old as mine not be compatible in some way with a new system?  Why not get a kick ass system now, hold out with my old monitor so I can get a higher quality monitor in a couple years instead of pissing more money away on a mediocre quality one and a lower quality system now?  (Please understand that my TV is from a time before TV's came with remotes - from the early 80's.) 

I wouldn't be surprised if we end of with a digital camera, but it's not a purchase coming in the near future.  I will definitely be purchasing an MP3 player, and also was given a nice little USB Drive that I will be using to carry my scripts around from now on (yeah, I've still been using floppy disks, and it's been terrifying - I basically email myself copies of every draft of what I write now to two different email addresses as back up.  The number one factor pushing me toward getting a new system in the scary grinding noises my floppy drive makes when I save things to it.).  I assume it's basically standard to have at least a couple USB ports in the front of the system now, right?

Also, no, neither of us use the computer for gaming, and I plan to keep it that way. 

Also, yes, DSL or cable internet is the standard here - I can't even fathom going back to dial up at this point.  Lister - does this mean I don't need a modem?

I use the standard stuff that came with my system:  Windows - I started with... 95?  Was there a Windows 95?  But later upgraded to 98 and after my crash this year, upgraded to 2000, Internet Explorer, and Office 97.  The only thing I'm really attached to is, naturally, MS Word - but other than that, if I'm changing systems, now would be the time to change... other things.  I seem to remember it being suggested that I am a total plebeian for using Internet Explorer... but I don't want to turn this into a debate over software... I'm basically clueless in this regard, but don't know if opening this up for discussion is useful - I'm sure I'd be blindly happy to accept whatever's run-of-the-mill/the standard package that comes with the system I buy.  I've actually never used Excel, Outlook or Power Point at home, and probably wouldn't want to...  I'm sure I would deeply enjoy having Publisher, but I have never had it, and it is in no way a necessity.
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Re: Buying a new PC...
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2006, 08:37:57 pm »

Or would a monitor as old as mine not be compatible in some way with a new system?

I can't imagine this being an issue. If the end that plugs into the computer looks like this then it's fine. There are fancier digital connections available but I've yet to see a computer that doesn't have this standard video plug on it.
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2006, 10:44:58 pm »

I can't imagine this being an issue. If the end that plugs into the computer looks like this then it's fine. There are fancier digital connections available but I've yet to see a computer that doesn't have this standard video plug on it.

Just to throw it out there, some higher-end graphics solutions have begun to drop VGA (that thing) connectors in favor of DVI or some such other thing.  It shouldn't be a problem with the rig Side_Show is looking at however, as most commodity PC's still offer a VGA out.
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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2006, 10:49:59 pm »

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Re: Buying a new PC...
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2006, 11:37:34 pm »


Tempting...

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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2006, 02:12:46 am »

Just to throw it out there, some higher-end graphics solutions have begun to drop VGA (that thing) connectors in favor of DVI or some such other thing.  It shouldn't be a problem with the rig Side_Show is looking at however, as most commodity PC's still offer a VGA out.

I've seen cards that offer just VGA and cards with DVI and VGA but I've yet to encounter just DVI. But I wouldn't be surprised to see a higher-end card with just DVI.
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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2006, 02:22:42 am »

If it's still relevant, I think the x1900xt only has DVI...
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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2006, 04:16:06 am »

My x800 XL has only DVI, but one of the DVIs is DVI-D (or is that DVI-S?) or whatever that you can put a VGA adaptor on.  In other words, it's VGA compatible, and usually the dual-DVI cards, even the high-end ones, will have one DVI that puts out a combination digital and analogue signal.

So it's no problem... for now.
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