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[CortJstr]

Nobody thought Pat was gay? Pat's closeted homosexuality is a big part of his relationship with Nice Pete. Dang people. I'd offer to draw you a picture but Onstad helpfully did that already.

[Formica]

Second that. Also now we have ironclad proof (as if we didn't already!) that logo and pascal are the tree-huggingest birkenstock-wearingest hippiest of programming languages.

I disagree; they are merely the languages young geeks learned in the eighties, and Simon's last point of reference for Beef's activities. No doubt Beef is truly a master of C++ and Java and Simon never really made it past Apple II Logo at the community college, but he learned enough to sub at Beef's computer class in elementary school and helped mold young minds. Meanwhile, Simon, a free spirit hippy homosexual, remembers fondly the geek boy from the neighborhood and tries his best find a good common ground.

Simon is the anti-Pat. Arc = joy.

[swinehund]

This strip is just great so many times over. I can't decide which part I like best about it. I think it's the Mapplethorpe filter, though making one's dad move to Portland is a close second.

[theinevitable]

"goodbye, father. Here is the key to your apartment in Portland."

[Bobby Isosceles]

Nobody thought Pat was gay? Pat's closeted homosexuality is a big part of his relationship with Nice Pete. Dang people. I'd offer to draw you a picture but Onstad helpfully did that already.

I think it's just more fun to imagine him as not being gay. If Pat is a dick because of repressed homosexuality, well, so be it, and once that repression is resolved so does the dickishness. But I hold a candle for the idea that Pat is just such a misanthropic (misfelinic?) ASSHOLE that ALL people are held in such contempt that he cannot even begin to fathom sexual attraction or intimacy. Someone who has no idea what his sexuality is, nor particularly cares, because he's too busy finding flaws in you and everything else. Such a character can't have his amusingly infinite hatred mollified by a simple outing.

[Roger]

Simon is the anti-Pat.

Apparently so, but what about Pat's vegulonianism? I'm pretty sure Simon's a vegetarian, what with the Burning Man and everything, so if Pat wants to distance himself as far as he can from his father why hasn't he become a raging carnivore?

[dejavroom]

Because his father's doing it for all the wrong reasons. And probably not doing it right.

[Ben-San]

Apparently so, but what about Pat's vegulonianism? I'm pretty sure Simon's a vegetarian, what with the Burning Man and everything, so if Pat wants to distance himself as far as he can from his father why hasn't he become a raging carnivore?

Simon still drinks so-called "cruelty-free" milk and consumes so-called "cruelty-free" eggs, so Pat is achieving moral superiority by refusing to engage in this degradation of animals.

[CortJstr]

I think it's just more fun to imagine him as not being gay. If Pat is a dick because of repressed homosexuality, well, so be it, and once that repression is resolved so does the dickishness. But I hold a candle for the idea that Pat is just such a misanthropic (misfelinic?) ASSHOLE that ALL people are held in such contempt that he cannot even begin to fathom sexual attraction or intimacy. Someone who has no idea what his sexuality is, nor particularly cares, because he's too busy finding flaws in you and everything else. Such a character can't have his amusingly infinite hatred mollified by a simple outing.

Well Pat would still have his repressed love of meat to fuel his anger. Plus I doubt that his hatred of all clerks everywhere would disappear. There's a lot of layers that make up the onion of barely contained rage that is Pat.

[Turbo Ninja]

The picture of Simon also explains Pat's loathing for smother-handles.

[Doc]

I always saw the pat/nice pete thing as being more  a prison love relationship which doesn't necessarily mean anything on the outside.

And Bobby is right, Pat has too much hate in him to ever love another person.

[AlohaDawg]

I always figured Pat for a closeted, in-denial homosexual. The Nice Pete thing (and the extremity of homophobia toward Aaaaaar-thur and Mr Gary really cemented it for me.

[Lister]

I don't think Pat "coming out" would solve anything.  He strikes me as one of those people for whom sex in any form is degrading and base; it seems like realizing he is actually gay would only change the gender of the people he can not imagine doing something so horrible with.

I mean, think about it.  Pat is all about controlling everything that happens to his body.  Letting something so unreasonable as hormones determine any of his actions would basically be like terror.

[AugustWest]

Poor Pat.  Poor miserable, screwed up, lonely, hate and rage filled Pat.  He's really a lot more pathetic than Beef, if you think about it.

[mrdna1]

Poor Pat.  Poor miserable, screwed up, lonely, hate and rage filled Pat.  He's really a lot more pathetic than Beef, if you think about it.

I almost think that Beef isn't all that pathetic ... he's just wired to be a melancholy pessimist, likely due to his Circumstances. Lately it seems like he's been doing pretty good for himself, and while I don't think we'll ever see him speak with punctuation/normal-sized text (aside from his earliest appearances, anyway) he's certainly in a lot better shape than back when he was living with Gramma K.