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[side_show]

Sorry, Linnea, but that photo is awesome.  I've tossed you a can as means of atonement.  Cleopatra Mills has awesome hair- I would wear my hair like this every day if I had hair like that.

[smick]

I found the webpage for 1973 (It's linked from IMDB) and I went through all of the images on the site.   No pictures that I could link to Maria... and looking at the premise...

The movie has her born in 1973.  She'd be 33 today (Movie Maria).  The first mugshot happened in April 1983.  She looks at LEAST 6 years older than 10.   

Also it seems that Movie Maria doesn't ever leave Mexico City.  I'm afraid "1973" is appearing to be unrelated other than the supposed name.   Perhaps the name "Maria Ramos" is cursed?  Or moreso, a very common Mexican name.   I have to admit to being kind of naive in that area, since I currently live in a part of the country that is 91% white, and of the remaining 9%, not many are likely to speak spanish in any form.

Is it possible to pull police records?   We know that she was arrested in Manhattan, and New York, and what days she was arrested on.   The last one, 1997, is likely to even be online somewhere.

[Ben-San]

Perhaps the name "Maria Ramos" is cursed?  Or moreso, a very common Mexican name.

Maria (and, more often, Maria [foo] where [foo] is a second name that usually gets dropped by American legal forms) is the most common women's name in the Spanish-speaking world. It's because of all that Catholicism. When West Side Story came out it became a joke that the least realistic part was a man running through a Puerto Rican neighborhood shouting "MARIA!" and only one woman sticking her head out.

Ramos isn't quite so omnipresent, but is still fairly common.

[linnea]

Maria (and, more often, Maria [foo] where [foo] is a second name that usually gets dropped by American legal forms) is the most common women's name in the Spanish-speaking world. It's because of all that Catholicism. When West Side Story came out it became a joke that the least realistic part was a man running through a Puerto Rican neighborhood shouting "MARIA!" and only one woman sticking her head out.

Ramos isn't quite so omnipresent, but is still fairly common.

Yeah, it's kind of like "Mary Smith". I'm sure that there are quite a lot of women with the name, "Maria Ramos", and I doubt that the woman in the mug shot would be featured in the IMDB.

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Smick, thanks for clearing up the 1973 thing - I figured it was a bum lead.

Anyone with a monitor with better resolution than mine:  Can you help me list off the dates on the placards?  My monitor is getting old and many of the dates are blurry.  If you can make out the dates clearly, please also double check my list - I'm not 100% sure on most of them.

1st image: MANH 4.12.83
2nd image:  ?.31.83
3rd image: NYCPD 4.2.8?
4th image: NYCPD 4.1?.8?
5th image: NYCPD 7.4.8?
6th image: NYCPD 16.1?.8?

7th image: NYCPD 12.1?.8?
8th image: NYCPD ?.?.??
9th image: NYCPD 7.??.8?
10th image: NYCPD ??.?.??
11th image NYCPD ?.1?.??
12th image: 4.11.97

I've also sent an email to Rotten and Snopes in hopes of more detail, but I'm not counting on anything.

[kittenslikeair]

i have the same interest as you in this woman.
i live in new york and i may be able to get a name. she was arrested in manhattan so i can swing by the police department to see if they have any information. i'm glad i'm not the only person that has an interest in knowing something about her, even if it is just a name.

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i have the same interest as you in this woman.
i live in new york and i may be able to get a name. she was arrested in manhattan so i can swing by the police department to see if they have any information. i'm glad i'm not the only person that has an interest in knowing something about her, even if it is just a name.

Hey Kitten!  Thanks for signing up just to respond to my post!  Let me know if you find anything.  It seems so odd that no one's told her story in a broad public way.

[kittenslikeair]

Hey Kitten!  Thanks for signing up just to respond to my post!  Let me know if you find anything.  It seems so odd that no one's told her story in a broad public way.

i will. i am alittle worried since i did alittle more research and found that the police department wouldn't give a woman any information due to privacy laws. i know mugshots are public records, but i think one would have to know the persons name. anyway, i'll still give it a try. i believe you summarized why i was so interested in this woman. before the curiosity was elusive. when i'd tell someone about my interest in her i couldn't verbalize why the interest was so strong. it was just a feeling. i will probably go tomorrow or sunday.
oh and could someone please go to this site
 forum.ogrish.com/archive/index.php/t-71262.html

i have a weak stomach.

[side_show]

I looked through all the links there - some pretty depressing stuff, but nothing on the women we're looking for.

[kittenslikeair]

i went to the midtown precinct yesterday to no real avail. since the mugshot is so old it would probably have been archived and i'd have to go to city hall downtown to see if they'd give me anymore information. city hall is closed weekends and labor day so i'd have to go or call sometime this week. everyone there seemed familar with the mugshots, but not the woman or anything we don't know already.                       

[side_show]

Huh - that's really interesting Kittens - you'd think that since the photos are plastered everywhere, and especially since the people at the precinct actually knew of the photos that someone would know something... but then again, everyone's busy keeping their own lives together.  Let me know if you find anything else out, and thanks for checking at the midtown precint. 

I can imagine that it feels a little weird asking people about this, but I think its fair to say that a lot of people would be interested in knowing the truth.  If you do manage to sleuth this one out, I know there must be thousands if not millions of people out there wondering what her story is.  I can't help but imagine that whoever put together the photos as a collections must have been watching this woman, been aware of her as she came in over and over again.  I can't even imagine what effect this has had on her family, and her, if she's still alive.

[kittenslikeair]

well the mugshots are plastered everywhere. one cop said he saw the mugshots in the courthouse, but it was still lacking a name or a story behind it.  i saw the site anorexicweb.com with her mugshots on there. the woman that runs the site said she died 9 months after the last mugshot was taken and that she was a heroin addict. i don't know how she would know this, unless she saw that newspaper article many people have mentioned or had other outside information about the mughosts. or she could have she completly fabricated that information. i tried contacting her but the only email i found is now defunct. did rotten.com ever respond?
i'll try contacting city hall like i said, but if they don't let me look through the archived mugshots then the only other option that i can think of is searching a mugshot database for the name "maria ramos". though i don't know if they keep older mugshots and it might cost a bit of money. maybe someone that read that newspaper will respond with more information, but that's a long shot.

it does feel alittle weird, since most people don't know why i care so much, but that's palliated to some degree knowing that other people do care aswell.

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I have recently been contacted by an anonymous source who believes he knows irrefutably who this young woman is/was.  I want to post the info here, while still protecting his identity.  I have neither proven nor disproven the information, but here it is:

From my source:

I was haunted by these images as well and I spent the last three weeks trying to find out who she is.  I couldn't believe that the first picture was the same girl as the last.  However, it is.  I linked the photos through NY state fingerprint records.  Her name is Joan Quigley, born 1/27/61.  She is a female white and her nickname as given in her arrest reports was "Crystal".  Throughout her arrests she gave several home addresses.  119 Berkeley Street  Boston, Massachusetts  is the first address she gave when arrested, and is the address she gave for most of her arrests between 1982 and 1983.  After that her addresses varied from Harlem to Greenwich village to finally an address in South Jamaica, Queens at 184-17 140 Avenue for her arrest on 4/11/97.
 
I have seen it posted that the girl in the first picture is sixteen years of age, but she is actually twenty one going on twenty two in the first picture.  She might have been arrested prior to that first picture, but those records were sealed.  I reviewed every arrest she had starting in 1982 and ending 4/11/97.  I can't confirm if she is dead, but it is very likely.  Between 1982 and 1997 she was arrested nearly every couple of weeks and after 4/11/97 there is no arrests.  I know the "Downward Spiral" images portrays her as a heroin addict. In reading the arrest reports I didn't find any arrests for heroin.  Nearly every arrest was for prostitution and prostitution related crimes (i.e. Loitering, Obstructing vehicular traffic,etc).   I'm sure however that drugs were behind her need  to resort to prostitution.  During the mid-80's and early 90's she did have a handful of arrests for crack/cocaine.  Outside of the arrests for prostitution and drugs there also a few for burglary, assault, disorderly conduct , and resisting arrest.  Also, most of her arrests center around the old red light districts in Manhattan around 40th Street & 9th Avenue and that vicinity.

I'll be doing some checking into this info when I get the chance.  The name Joan Quigley is fairly commen, and so far I've found nothing but cold leads.

[PhantomSam]

It's funny, I was sitting here and all of a sudden I remembered this same series of images that I saw on rotten.com many years ago, and like you, wondered about the story behind the mugshots. So I tried a series of searches myself which lead me to this web site:

http://www.24hourforums.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=120

What's remarkable about this particular site is a comment from "Librtyhead" in Sep 2006, who says, "that looks like a girl I used to date is the first pic from 1983?.....her name was joan"

Seems to confirm the name from your story. By the way, thanks for posting what you've learned!

[PhantomSam]

Heh, yeah I figured this was an old topic for you guys, but it was new to me! Just popped into my head yesterday and then I found this site.