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[robot_god]

my English Composition teacher just assigned us to write... a meta-paper. We will explain, in the paper, why we are making the stylistic choices we are.

I feel that this... is crossing a line?

Maybe this can provide inspiration.  It is a story by David Moser called, "This Is the Title of This Story, Which Is Also Found Several Times in the Story Itself."

[theinevitable]

Cort-- I will do this. But I might cap it off after the first book.

...I am trying to come up with a clever way to indicate the reference, but I am at a loss.

Also: to clarify, this is a secondary paper. I have to write the 15-page research paper, and then write a 1 or 2 page meta-paper explaining how I wrote it.

[CortJstr]

Cort-- I will do this. But I might cap it off after the first book.

...I am trying to come up with a clever way to indicate the reference, but I am at a loss.

You would be guaranteed to win your bet with Marcus. Then the two of you could coax Quincy into chewing up Paige's new shoes.

[wombat]

Maybe this can provide inspiration.  It is a story by David Moser called, "This Is the Title of This Story, Which Is Also Found Several Times in the Story Itself."

Dang, I really need to link to a Da Vinci's Notebook song called "Title of the Song," but I can't find it on line.

[theinevitable]

wait, what?

I feel like... now I am thinking of Foxtrot?

Wouldn't it be more like... I'd make Hobbes write the 2nd two books for me?

I am confused. I read too many comic strips as a kid.

[wombat]

I just realized that I haven't had to write "An X page paper" in 9 years or so.  Life is awesome.

Writing what is needed to convey the information, and then not worrying about stretching it or cutting it is totally the way to go.  I think.

You know, I just got a job writing for actual money, and I can't go above 500 words per article. So, maybe those idiotic assignments at school that had to be a particular length were better training for real life than you realized.

[CortJstr]

wait, what?

I feel like... now I am thinking of Foxtrot?

Wouldn't it be more like... I'd make Hobbes write the 2nd two books for me?

I am confused. I read too many comic strips as a kid.

It was FoxTrot. Jason bet Marcus who could write a longer paper for an assignment. Jason decided to write a 900 page essay that was a 1st-person account of what goes into writing a 900 page essay.

[Teatime]

Dang, I really need to link to a Da Vinci's Notebook song called "Title of the Song," but I can't find it on line.

Here is a fan-made video for it. I am a big fan of the song, and the video definately better than standard youtube fare.

[wombat]

How did you find that? God, I hate YouTube. People ought to have to include the actual band name. And don't get me started on spelling...  But thanks.

[RMJ12345]

hm. Um. I thought I had already posted this?
Basically, the whole Post-Modern concept is not one I am comfortable with. I read the wikipedia, and it only made things worse.

Yeah, I know. The Wikipedia article on postmodernism is kinda postmodern, which just makes everything worse.

Postmodernism 101: There is no answer. Have fun! as my friend Leslie used to say.

I don't really know what it means, though I frequently refer to myself as postmodernist. Actually, I think that might be the definition.

[theinevitable]

I love youtube.
To bring this full-circle, the term paper in question is about how "Web 2.0," while being basically a fake concept, represents the fulfillment of the ideas Alvin Toffler expressed in The Third Wave vis-a-vi the "Prosumer" and decentralization of media creation. My prime example is Ze Frank and his various endeavors into user-generated content. I kind of lost the pseudo-intellectual jargon halfway through, sorry.

PS my favorite things I learned in this class:
-you can, technically, be accused of plagiarizing yourself. You can be punished for this under university rules.
-I hate intellectual property law. goddamn. I know it's hip to hate it and all, but I used to be ambivalent. Jeez, people!

[jaydub]

-you can, technically, be accused of plagiarizing yourself. You can be punished for this under university rules.

I think you just broke me.  I can't wrap my mind around this concept.

[V-Adore]

I think you just broke me.  I can't wrap my mind around this concept.

I think I can explain it. Basically, in this context, "plagiarizing yourself" means doing what many college-age smartasses have done once or twice: getting a relatively open-ended essay prompt, saying "hey, I wrote something like this in high school/for 101/last semester!", and then copying big chunks out of that previous work for the "new" paper (or just handing in the old paper as new). While this is arguably a legal use of their intellectual property, it is also immensely academically dishonest and circumvents actually doing the work assigned to you, which is why colleges don't want you to do it.

[theinevitable]

yeah. I mean, I can deal with being told that it's "cheating." But being told that it's plagiarism... made me want to bring on the Hate.

[wombat]

I am trying to figure out if this would be plagiarism in real life. I don't think so. I published a dissertation, and then I published a journal article about the same exact stuff. I think more than one article, in fact - basically two different chunks of the dissertation. And this was a totally normal thing to do - no one would have said I was plagiarizing myself. How is this different from reusing parts of an old term paper if your professor is too lazy to come up with a specific enough topic that you are forced to do new work?