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So What Is Life Like?
« on: March 19, 2007, 09:04:54 pm »

Hello old people who have jobs. I am basically wondering what you think of life post-education. Aside from the fun social whatnot associated with college. I mean is it a good thing or bad thing to have a place you work at, where you do a job, and when you leave the work is done and you can do your thing as opposed to the education world where you don't really have a single "job" to do and your work follows you home every day?
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Re: So What Is Life Like?
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2007, 09:14:23 pm »

Depends on the day.

On the one hand, you don't know from stress.  I remember during exam week everyone going "Oh my god I'm so stressed out!" and having little fainting spells.  Man, I wish the most stressful thing in my life right now was that I have to study an exam.  Stress is the mortgage.  Stress is traffic every goddamn day and your car drives like crap but you can't afford a car payment right now.  Stress is your kid being sick.  (But you're asking more about the merits of work life vs. academic life, not necessarily family/personal stuff, so take that as you will.)

On the other hand, there's less petty and seemingly worthless crap.  Oh sure, there's still plenty of it, especially in the first few years you're working.  Once you've kind of established what you want to do, and you have a direction, most of the goofy crap you have to do at least pushes you in that general direction or some way or another.  So (hopefully) there's less time-wasting, and everything is contributing more toward your overall goals.

If you ask me "Would you like to go back and relive college?", I would say yes if that meant I could try out different choices--I sometimes think about the whole "Sliding Doors" nature of our lives, and wonder how much differently my life would have turned out if I'd gone to another school.  But to go back and do it verbatim--I dunno, it's close; I had a lot of fun in college and everything.  But I think I like it where I am now better.
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Re: So What Is Life Like?
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2007, 09:20:30 pm »

I have experienced many different variations of the 'having a job' thing, and while all have had their extremely sucky aspects, all of them are better than being in college.
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Re: So What Is Life Like?
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2007, 09:28:14 pm »

College is a double-edged sword, at least in my experience.

The downside is that nothing you did in college means even one half of a doodley-squat after the second you get that diploma. Academia is pretty-much jerking off into a cup and then paying someone a large amount of money to tell you the degree to which your cup of spunk is awesome and meaningful and full of promise. The moment you are out the door, you ain't nothing. You're some dude who just paid $100,000 to have your excreta praised for four years and some change. The soul-crushing pointlessness of realizing that before you're done can be Kinda Brutal.

The upside is that you basically have no real responsibility in college and there are no consequences to mistakes.

The older I get, the more I realize that the upside outweighed the downside.

Having a job you dislike is Completely Awful. Having a job you love is Mostly Awful.

Working is awful. Not to be patronizing or anything but I have the feeling that your hard-right beliefs on Hard Work and Earning and Bootstraps and so on might end up ameliorated by actually having to be in that awful world where if you fuck up a little bit, you can't pay for the place you're living in anymore and... you don't get to stay. They make you leave. All the Talking and Ideas in the world don't mean a thang if you're fired and don't have the money. They completely make you leave.

And I know for Talking and Ideas.

Basically, stay in college until you would kill yourself from the boredom and hopelessness of how arbitary and ephemeral the act of writing a paper, getting a grade and then nothing happening with that work ever again. You will know you are ready to leave college when you would rather be hung by the neck until dead than take another fuck*ng test that doesn't even mean anything to the person putting a number or a letter for your efforts. They're just doing it to pay the rent and they hate you for it.

Around November of my senior year of college, I started getting That Feeling. Happily, my last semester I only needed to take 13 credits to graduate and mostly dicked around acting in friends' short films. If I had had to take it seriously, I would've had to quit or kill myself.
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Re: So What Is Life Like?
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2007, 10:55:21 pm »

I was very disappointed by undergrad. I went to a very good, but very large, state school, and all my life I had envisioned college as this small liberal-arts experience with small classes and stimulating intellectual discussion, with everyone in black turtlenecks and being very erudite. Instead I got a lot of "Please make sure you use a number two pencil and fill in the dot completely," alternating with "Chug! Chug! Chug!" It was very fun, but I didn't get the type of learning experience I wanted. I wish someone (my parents, teachers, guidance counselors) had been more assertive about telling me that I'd be happier in a smaller liberal arts school before I left for college.

On top of that I paid my way through school 100%. So many years I was working 40 hours a week and going to school full time. It sucked. So I couldn't wait to be done and out working. In retrospect I probably should have made different choices, and it all turned out okay, so I have no regrets, but I was chomping at the bit to be done almost as soon as I'd started.

I got out into the work world as a corporate drone working not in my field per se, but definitely putting my education to use to some degree every day at work (BA in Linguistics and working as a translation project manager for a language services company), so that was lucky and rewarding. It was nice to actually have money, besides just the $7/hour or whatever wager jobs paid when I was in school. It was awesome not having any deadlines. Actually that's not true, I did have deadlines, but for some reason when I was in the work world it didn't feel like I had any deadlines. I'm not sure why that is but it was great.

What started to wear on me was the stress. More to the point, it was where the stress was coming from. The corporate world is about one thing and one thing only: money. It can be discouraging to gradually discover that the only reason for your existence as a cog in a particular machine is to put more money in other peoples' pockets. To have to do a less-than-stellar job on something simply because your boss isn't willing to pay for the best, because that will eat into his profit margin. So you deliver a translation for a medical device to a client, knowing you put a translator on it who doesn't have medical knowledge, because the qualified medical translator was 3 cents per word more expensive than the translator who specializes in vacation brochures, and your boss was not willing to pay the difference. Then you worry that errors in the translation might cost a life, and you spend your days and nights enraged that (a) your boss is such a greedy bastard to be able to make such decisions and still sleep at night, and (b) you yourself didn't stand up to that, because the last time you did your boss threatened your job, and dammit, rent is due.

I found that I loved my job but I hated the culture around it. So I found another company that shared my value for quality, and it was better. But the sad part is, it's still all about the money. No matter how much you resonate with a company's values, no matter how much they like you as an employee, if the money isn't coming, you could be gone. Nothing personal. It's just the way it is. They've got their rent to pay and so do you.

If you're not careful, you could find yourself taking jobs just for the money, and that can be downright miserable, even if your tastes are simple. Please don't fall into the trap of living an SUV lifestyle and then staying in a miserable soulless job simply to pay for it. You can't take it with you, after all. Even if you are living simply, it can be very hard in my experience to just do a job for the money, "to pay the bills," although many people do it and seem to have no trouble. It's just not me.

I will disagree with lfm, though, and say that having a job you love is not Mostly Awful. It's wonderful. I got out of my first, corporate career, and went back to school to get a teaching license. The second time around for college I went to a small liberal arts college and it was much better. However I was also at a point in my life where college had become simply a series of hoops to jump through to get to a goal. So it was no big deal. I think the first time through college becomes all-consuming for most people: you live and work and study on campus, for the most part, so it becomes your life. Returning students later on can easily tie their studies in to a personal goal, and also usually live and work off-campus and have very full lives outside of school. School is just an "add-on" thing that they do, like aerobics class. So that makes it easier to stomach in some ways, and harder in others (because the sense of "jumping through hoops" can be keener here).

Now that I've been done with college (again) and working for several years, I will say that I love my job. I'm more insulated from the moneygrubbing that was so disheartening in my previous career. I'm still affected by money, of course, but the goal of what I do is not to enable my blowhard boss to afford a new boat. Instead my worth is judged by how well I reach and inspire people, and the difference in my life is substantial. I've been teaching full-time for four years, and my paycheck is *still* a surprise every time I get it. I make way less money than I did before, but it's worth it.

Since I paid my way through school both times, the sense of urgency attached to keeping a job (to ensure the ability to keep a residence) is nothing new to me. It still sucks, being that dependent on it, but for me there wasn't a lot of difference between college and "real life" in that regard.

The important thing to remember is that you can always change, and should. Most people feed you this line about how once you're done with college, your "real life" will begin and you'll ride off into the sunset, and that's a load of crap. You may have to go back to college, or something like it, several times amid the three or four careers you have.
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Re: So What Is Life Like?
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2007, 11:10:02 pm »

See, though, having a job you love can be the worst in some cases because... then you're getting bored and annoyed and bitter about having not enough money from... something you used to just love. It's like you're stabbing that passion through the heart with a tightly rolled up paycheck.

However, I'll concede the point that... people who had to work full-time in college anyway, the transition may be a lot easier or nominal. Personally, I never held a full-time job (or drove a car, for that matter) until after I graduated college so... my mileage varied significantly.

If, like me, the only jobs you have ever had were... like... summer internships or... fifteen hours a week making sandwiches somewhere where the trade-off for low pay was even lower expectations... it will most likely be a harsh-ass transition.

EDIT: Also, I am pretty much nowhere near having worked in a job that is My Calling. Which is Writing Funny Stories For Lots Of Money. There is the possibililty that if I got to that point, things would be pretty much okay. My girlfriend is finishing up her student teaching and is loving the hell out of it, yes. Her and Mof might just have the same calling or something.
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Re: So What Is Life Like?
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 11:17:10 pm »

Its likely to be harsh anyway.  If you don't get fired at least once in your first 5 years - well, you'll be doing better than I did anyway.  The thing about working for a living is that its so much more demanding than anything you'll have done before, provided you actually get into a job that challenges you. Putting in C level effort will get you fired. B level effort won't make you many friends among your coworkers or bosses.
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Re: So What Is Life Like?
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2007, 11:18:34 pm »

I had a conversation with my mom about this last night - my parents are helping me buy a car (yay) as I prepare to live on my own, rent and all, for the first time this summer. My mom is arguing that I should wait for my car gift until later because the longer I can put it off the better, but I'm pretty sure I need to start dealing with stuff like this and working full-time now, because I only have a year of college left after this.

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Re: So What Is Life Like?
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2007, 11:27:33 pm »

Well, it's 11.20pm and I'm trying desperately to finish putting together a piece of music for a documentary by tomorrow (it's going great, as you can obviously tell). The panic gives the livelihood a real zing!
I've tried a number of things now, and am working on putting together a business prospect that might get me out of IT at least (I'm hitting burnout on an industry filled with fucktards and changing tech). I had a fairly nice job as a graphic/web designer, only the employers refused to acknowledge that I knew more about it than they. Even down to them trying to use some evil, expensive, proprietary method of doing eCommerce, despite me offering them nigh on free ways that would suit most of the customers... That and they tried to give me a, literally abhorrent contract. I refused to sign and walked, along with my friend who was working there with me.
And so I'm freelancing in competition with them, while working on music, film scoring and screenplays. Like I say, there's an awful lot of panic, be it about deadlines or money, but it's in many, many ways considerably more satisfying than any of the jobs I've had working for other people. I guess, at the end of the day, that just isn't for me. I can stand it to a point, but unless I can find something I like, where for once they aren't assholes, I just snap after a certain period.

Well, basically, if you're looking at anything creative, it's a world of pain*!

Back to writing african hiphop I guess...

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Re: So What Is Life Like?
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2007, 11:34:42 pm »

Basically, stay in college until you would kill yourself from the boredom and hopelessness of how arbitary and ephemeral the act of writing a paper, getting a grade and then nothing happening with that work ever again. You will know you are ready to leave college when you would rather be hung by the neck until dead than take another fuck*ng test that doesn't even mean anything to the person putting a number or a letter for your efforts. They're just doing it to pay the rent and they hate you for it.

I feel like this and I am in high school.

I work five hours a day (far more time than I spend in school daily), and have worked at various offices during vacations for the full eight. I am perhaps much more happy to useful tedium than to abstract bullshit than most people. I also have essentially no responsibility- no rent, no health insurance, no children to take care of. I do pay for my food, transportation, and hobbies, but these costs are negligible insofar as I can see. I also make $18 an hour, a staggering amount for someone of my age and inexperience.

Take this into consideration (as well as the fact that I am in high school, which limits severely my experience and makes most of my classes incredibly agonizing) when I say that work is approximately a hojillion times better than school as I know it. And my job description is "do shit that even the miserable soulless stereotypical office workers find too tedious and petty to force themselves to do."

For me, this is temporary (as previously stated, I intend to become a librarian), but if you asked me if I could live like this for the rest of my life, with a corresponding increase in pay to allow for more things I must pay for, I would definately say yes. So long as you are the sort of person that can leave work behind you when you leave the office, money is fantastic. If my statement seems incongruous with MoF and LFM's keep in mind that I assume you are intelligent enough to take a job that with an acceptable pain-to-salary ratio and spend your salary to offset whatever you might endure at work. You're there about nine hours a day- that leaves plenty to enjoy yourself.

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Re: So What Is Life Like?
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2007, 11:47:34 pm »

In the quarter-and-a-half I spent in graduate school before Taking The Break, the part of it I enjoyed was the research -- that is, the part that was basically like a job -- and the part that burnt me out fast was the coursework. I'll freely admit that this may have been a consequence of going straight from undergraduate, but... goddamn, if I had to choose between sitting in yet another goddamn lecture learning incredibly detailed material I will be expected to remember and regurgigate verbatim for precious little purpose, or working longer days in exchange for making meaningful progress on a project I care about, I'll take the job every goddamn time, even if the job is (as it was) treating mice with drugs, killing them, extracting and dissecting their brains, and then homogenizing each brain region for DNA analysis. Even despite getting bitten by mice.

(fuck*ng mice.)

On the other hand, I just spent today at school with my mother (an elementary special ed teacher in rural Louisiana) helping her proctor standardized tests, since her school is stretched ridiculously thin and dependent on volunteer help to get through the testing season. After a "pretty easy day," as she called it, my entire body aches in weird places and I bear the scars of nearly being outwitted by a brain-damaged nine-year-old. I think the moral of this story is that, while mileage may vary, some jobs are just goddamn hard.
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Re: So What Is Life Like?
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2007, 12:15:01 am »

18$ an hour!? Wow. I am hoping to make more than my last job wherever I work this summer. And that was... 7.50 or so?
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Re: So What Is Life Like?
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2007, 12:26:35 am »

You know, the thing is, it's not clear that there's any point in asking this question, because it's not like you have a choice. You can't really decide to be in college forever instead of having a real life. Even if we tell you that life after college sucks, what can you do other than make the best of it?
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2007, 12:50:08 am »

To that, do what I didn't and travel for a year - be it through Europe, Southeast Asia, or Chile/Argentina.  I toyed heavily with the idea of taking a year in 1990 and checking out the countries where the Wall was coming down.  It would have made for some primo anecdotes that I'll never have the chance for again.  Dancing on Marx's grave would have been damn sweet.
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Re: So What Is Life Like?
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2007, 12:56:03 am »

Ah well, if you are looking for sage advice from the elders than I would definitely second this:

The important thing to remember is that you can always change, and should. Most people feed you this line about how once you're done with college, your "real life" will begin and you'll ride off into the sunset, and that's a load of crap. You may have to go back to college, or something like it, several times amid the three or four careers you have.
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