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[linnea]

This almost sounds like you are claiming moral superiority over those of us who don't require drugs to deal with our problems.

I have no idea what you're talking about, dude.

[RMJ12345]

Aw man, if it was that easy for me. I'm not saying that isn't the truth for you and what you're dealing with, Rumjay?

But, aw man, if it was that easy for me. Actual Doctor Medicines are only able to... tamp mine down. Even 'em out. Slow 'em down.

Ain't nothin' has made 'em go away entirely, ever.

Oh, man, I hell of don't want to judge. It's not like they go away 100%, but I would have had to go on meds had they been like they were this summer.

But anyway, I certainly don't want to judge anyone. Whatever you feel is necessary. Every situation is not the same. Your body your choice and all that.

[linnea]

And she's all like "Mikey, when my time comes, I'm gonna put a plastic bag over my head and tie it off and go to sleep while I can still do it with my own two hands. Don't worry about me, it probably won't happen for a long time yet but goddamn it, I'm going out on my own terms. Throw a party in honour of that."

And... man, gramma. Rough chuckles.

Whoa! Jeez, Gramma...not what your grandson needed to hear.

[Bobby Isosceles]

Restless Leg Syndrome is the name of my radio show. Thursdays at 1 AM central time.

I am a big fan of when people who are not doctors have opinions on whether things are diseases. not that restless leg syndrome is necessarily for real... I have no way of knowing this in one way or the other.

Did Hippocrates write about Restless legs Syndrome? Did Pliny the Elder? Or maybe any of the great Chinese healers?

What about people in the era of Jonas Salk and the triumph over polio?

No?

It is a made up disease brought by affluence.

Restless legs do not exist when you spend all day plowing a field or hunting a wildebeest on the African savannah as we evolved to do.

[V-Adore]

Did Hippocrates write about Restless legs Syndrome? Did Pliny the Elder? Or maybe any of the great Chinese healers?

What about people in the era of Jonas Salk and the triumph over polio?

No?

It is a made up disease brought by affluence.

Restless legs do not exist when you spend all day plowing a field or hunting a wildebeest on the African savannah as we evolved to do.

To play Devil's-Advocate-But-Sort-Of-Not: the lack of reporting in ancient sources does not indicate that a disease is not medically legitimate. Consider, for example, Alzheimer's Disease. Do you see a terribly large amount written about this in the ancient world? No -- but that's because most people didn't live long enough to develop it, and even among those who did, it was generally assumed that even the most severe senility was just a natural function of age. Alzheimer's could be said to be a disease "brought by affluence," but this is because "affluence" means "lifespans increase and people stay healthier for their entire lifespan." It sure as hell doesn't mean that Alzheimer's is a fabricated disease.

[Bobby Isosceles]

To play Devil's-Advocate-But-Sort-Of-Not: the lack of reporting in ancient sources does not indicate that a disease is not medically legitimate. Consider, for example, Alzheimer's Disease. Do you see a terribly large amount written about this in the ancient world? No -- but that's because most people didn't live long enough to develop it, and even among those who did, it was generally assumed that even the most severe senility was just a natural function of age. Alzheimer's could be said to be a disease "brought by affluence," but this is because "affluence" means "lifespans increase and people stay healthier for their entire lifespan." It sure as hell doesn't mean that Alzheimer's is a fabricated disease.

So Lazy Legs Syndrome is the result of affluence that means the legs have excess energy (or "qi"). Solution: Toil in the fields, you fat, soft, white-collar fucks. Toil in the fuck*ng fields and wear those twitchy legs out. Stop drinking fluids filled with stimulants. Stop inhaling smoke containing stimulants. Stop watching a broadcast meant to stimulate and tittilate to sell consumables, while sitting there and not channeling the stimulation. Work. Play. Masturbate. Do something. Soft overlord class! Soft overlords and their pathetic diseases of affluent dominance? Restless Legs Syndrome gets as much sympathy from me as the fuck*ng gout.

[theinevitable]

wow dude, they also didn't write about men landing on the moon, or how some people are just born gay, or how sometimes a cat has a party because his toilet is real blue. They didn't write about AIDS or communism or genetic disorders. They did not know what these things are. People have different problems in different ages, and you not considering them legitimate doesn't make them go away. I mean, Vergil also wrote that black people are black because they were burnt by the sun coming too close to them because the sun's son borrowed the sun-chariot from him. You can have your little cynical theories about how modern people have bullshit made-up problems, but that doesn't make these problems not real.

I mean, my mom opined that depression was the result of our affluent and lazy society-- and then I read a statistic that the people most at-risk for depression are children who grow up in fucked-up situations, without parents, etc. Or, you know, people who have genetic problems.

[Doc]

Those dudes were also big on the four humours and wouldn't have believed you about bacteria.
This is not to say I am completely in disagreement with you.

To steal a turn of phrase from LFM I am basically Bill Hicks when it comes to marketing.

[Bobby Isosceles]

Those dudes were also big on the four humours and wouldn't have believed you about bacteria.
This is not to say I am completely in disagreement with you.

To steal a turn of phrase from LFM I am basically Bill Hicks when it comes to marketing.

There is a fundamental difference between attempting to explain an observed phenomenon (and failing, due to lack of knowledge) and observing a phenomenon that was not observed before, for thousands of years. The more so if this observed phenomenon is a human health condition, given that the human physiology hasn't changed in hunreds of thousands of years.

[Doc]

Fair point, and I was being a bit silly, but we do live an a more affluent society and so what we classify as an inconvenience and a disease has changed and that's not entirely a bad thing. I agree that there is a limited amount of time and effort that should be dedicated to preventing your leg jumping around but at the same time if it's messing with a person's sleep and they have the ability and resources to remedy it then why not.
I am totally with you on the subject of people being convinced by various parties that there is something wrong with them that does not actually exist (or at least that they would never have noticed on their own) that shit is ill.

[wombat]

Did Hippocrates write about Restless legs Syndrome? Did Pliny the Elder? Or maybe any of the great Chinese healers?

Well actually here's something that was on NPR:

There are some early references to what appears to be RLS in the scientific literature. An English physician named Thomas Willis wrote a description in 1683:

"Wherefore to some, when being in bed they betake themselves to sleep, presently in the arms and legs. Leaping and contractions of the tendons and so great a restlessness and tossing of the members ensure, that the diseased are no more able to sleep, than if they were in the place of the greatest torture!"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7815991

[RMJ12345]

Well actually here's something that was on NPR:

There are some early references to what appears to be RLS in the scientific literature. An English physician named Thomas Willis wrote a description in 1683:

"Wherefore to some, when being in bed they betake themselves to sleep, presently in the arms and legs. Leaping and contractions of the tendons and so great a restlessness and tossing of the members ensure, that the diseased are no more able to sleep, than if they were in the place of the greatest torture!"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7815991

Can'd because I love being all "Well, actually..." It is frequently cited as one of my most distinctive traits by friends.

Also, just because the surviving sources of medical knowledge before common era didn't document it didn't mean that nobody noticed or talked about it. Maybe some doctor in Pompeii was all "Ipsum tebia eritis pro meum jumpius" and had like crazy theories backing it up, and then he took a break to play dice and got burned by a f*cking volcano.

[Golfhaus]

There are some early references to what appears to be RLS in the scientific literature. An English physician named Thomas Willis wrote a description in 1683:

Damn but RLS brings it OLD SKOOL.

[Bobby Isosceles]

Of harmes manye the one byrnyng as fyre Syndromme Fatigue most Chronycke is; felte it by Professynales Urbyne Younge is.

[Alternate]

So Lazy Legs Syndrome is the result of affluence that means the legs have excess energy (or "qi"). Solution: Toil in the fields, you fat, soft, white-collar fucks. Toil in the fuck*ng fields and wear those twitchy legs out. Stop drinking fluids filled with stimulants. Stop inhaling smoke containing stimulants. Stop watching a broadcast meant to stimulate and tittilate to sell consumables, while sitting there and not channeling the stimulation. Work. Play. Masturbate. Do something. Soft overlord class! Soft overlords and their pathetic diseases of affluent dominance? Restless Legs Syndrome gets as much sympathy from me as the fuck*ng gout.

So, do you not believe in movement disorders in general?  Is "tiring oneself out" a cure for Tourette's syndrome?