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[littlefallsmets]

It is very Ray to throw... not just the Deuce but the Double-Deuce flip-off.

And... yes. "Fuck along, now" would be the world's greatest sitcom catchphrase ever if the world weren't full of assholes who believe that swearing is not rad. Swearing is the raddest.

[Bobby Isosceles]

It is very Ray to throw... not just the Deuce but the Double-Deuce flip-off.

see also: not solving the world's problems in this car.

[RMJ12345]

God, this was awesome. Cornelius had the best comeback by far. What a badass.

How is Rod Huggins going to take to this when condom-shopping?

[Doc]

It's not that Pat is incorrect it's that he's being irrelevant. And being a douche about it besides. V said it nicely.
Also to be truly a bestitute he'd have to create that steak substitute using only one acre of grain. Grown organically, without the use of pesticides etc. possibly even without artificial irrigation systems.

Bobby continues to live the life we merely dream of.

[side_show]

Wait... is the 3 acres grain = a pound of beef thing true?  If so, I'm sort of disturbed - both because that's way too much work for a steak, and also because maybe Pat taught me something.

[theinevitable]

yeah. it's true.

...I feel like my bio teacher told us it was 10 acres, though.

[theinevitable]

I am not sure. The statistics I have found say 7 lbs of grain for 1 lb of meat.

[oball]

The way I see it, even if we are screwing the environment, I'll die before the planet anyway. 



Especially if all I eat is steak.

[linnea]

Well then, this is just me, but ~700 lbs. of deliciousness traded off for ~4,900 lbs, of boring ass fiber works for me. 'Specially since a lot of the 'grain' used for growing the tasty is stuff palatable to the bovine and is not so much eatable human fodder.

The point that vegetarians are trying to make is that humans could eliminate starvation and support a larger population if everyone ate less meat (well...everyone could be fed if politics would allow everyone access to food). Sure, the crops that animals eat might be less palatable to humans, but converting that farmland to produce crops for humans would make our ecological resources stretch further.

Have you ever heard the term "ecological footprint"? That is the square footage of earthly resources that are needed for one person's existence. Oil companies have somewhat co-opted that term for the "carbon footprint". It is worth noting again that if everyone in the world lived the coveted American lifestyle (meat, vehicles, consumer goods) that we'd need FOUR earths.

[Ben-San]

Enough human-quality food is already produced to feed the world population. It's a problem of distribution (not that we necessarily can't, but that we don't). Saying that the problem is with the inefficiency of meat is in my eyes an attempt to deflect responsibility away from oneself by falsely reducing the issues of world hunger to a specific problem which could be credibly addressed If Only Everyone Was More Like Me rather than a symptom of deeper inequities in global economics.

[smick]

Let's go find a vegan and kick him square in the soynuts!

[stringph]

I sure hope Onstad isn't turning into a political cartoonist. Because this one, seen as a political strip, is just extremely poor. Sub-Mallard-Fillmore. Your favourite or unfavourite anthropomorphic animal characters combine to make the 'point' that personal gratification and excessive consumption are Great and personal responsibility is Boring and Annoying and should go fuck itself.

The only bright spot is Cornelius' dialogue. At that point the politics is hopelessly confused because there isn't any analogy between choosing to screw up your own health and choosing to screw up the environment, and Pat is just baldly wrong and annoying. But in the first panel Pat is politically in the same boat with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Funny how things turn out.

The fallacy of the Heap:

Does one bean make a heap? No.
Does adding one bean make any difference to the heapiness? No.
Therefore (by induction!) any number of beans do not constitute a heap, and there is no such thing as a heap of beans.

Since the conclusion was absurd, we deduce that at least one premise is incorrect. It must have been the second.
The application to Ray's riposte is left as an exercise for the reader.

Barely witty things that Ray could have said:

'Interesting. I'll mention it to my carbon manager when we're down at the redwood forest. Now fuck off.'

'Yeah, but last winter was a bit chilly. Now fuck off while I create the perfect climate.'

However, the SoCal location kind of negates that last line. Is it physically at all possible to improve the climate there?

[Doc]

Those are some lovely punchline bestitutes you've got there.

[AugustWest]

The cat with the funny hairline is being a self-righteous dick and then the rich cat and the two teddy bears tell him to fuck off. 

[revdj]

I know that its already been said in this thread, but I logged on to touamb for the first time in a long time specifically to make this comment and, by gum, I am going to make it:

"Fuck along now" is an amazingly great phrase, and I am going to use it this week, dammit!