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[kellichou]

Some items from the Shorter OED that may or may not help:

loure (early 18th C. usage) noun. [French, also a kind of bagpipe] Historical:  A kind of rustic dance thought to have had a bagpipe accompaniment.  Also, a slow baroque dance in 3/4 or 6/4 time.

louring (late Middle English usage through late 16th C.) [French lour verb +ing] 1. Frowning, scowling; angry looking, gloomy, sullen.  Late Middle English.  2. Of the clouds, sky, weather, circumstances, etc.: gloomy, dark, threatening.  Late Middle English.  3.  Lurking, skulking, Late Middle English through late 16th C.

loury adjective.  Also lowery.  (middle 17th C. usage). [French lour noun, +y]  Of the sky etc.:  dull, gloomy, threatening.

[kellichou]

A friend of mine emailed me this, when I did a mass emailing to mine my friends' minds:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE6DB1438F93AA1575AC0A96E948260

An obit for Felice Louria, who worked for the Dept of Labor back then.  I re-print in fulll:

 Felice Jarecky Louria, Labor Advocate, 88

Published: September 29, 1988

LEAD: Felice Jarecky Louria, long active in social issues in New York and California, died of congestive heart failure Monday at the Orange Park (Calif.) Nursing Home. She was 88 years old and lived in Santa Ana, Calif.

Felice Jarecky Louria, long active in social issues in New York and California, died of congestive heart failure Monday at the Orange Park (Calif.) Nursing Home. She was 88 years old and lived in Santa Ana, Calif.

Mrs. Louria worked on wage and migrant-worker issues in the late 1930's and later was the industrial-relations enforcement officer at the New York State Department of Labor.

She is survived by a son, Dr. Henry, of Newport Beach, Calif.; two daughters, Margot, of Washington, and Dr. Ellin Lieberman of Los Angeles; five grandchildren, and two great-grandchildren.

[jay-ell]

I already PMd this to Kelli, but here goes again for the rest of you:

This is incredibly awesome!  I am going to look further into this but I think there's got to be a connection -- Frieda worked in the NY Dept of Labor before she was appointed assistant to the ambassador to England in the late 1930s...the dates seem to match up...she would have been the right age to have been active in the labor movement at the same time as Frieda...I will look into her history and see if I can find any previous or subsequent correspondence between them...although I would think I would have noticed if there was when I was at the archives. 

I just assumed it came from Pauline because it was cryptic and from NY.  But this plus the amnesty thing really seems to fall into place.  Tell whoever discovered this that they may have just helped solve a historical mystery.  Holy cow.  My prof is going to be seriously impressed. 

You guys are so awesome.  I can't believe you did this.  Give me a few weeks to call around to some research librarians and I will let you know what I find. 

[kellichou]

Whoo!  Glad to help, JL!  Well, actually, it's all on my friend who is in law school.  Thank him.  He's all about the research.  Mebbe he'll get a shout-out in your thesis, if the find pans out and actually warrants it and stuff?

education. 

But seriously, woot!  And (at least from personal experience), it's always helpful to have those little things to help propel the thesis forward.  Whoo!

[linnea]

Fuck yes! who's got the awesomest, most kickassingnest twin sister around?? That's right, I DO.

[kellichou]

Fuck yes! who's got the awesomest, most kickassingnest twin sister around?? That's right, I DO.

No, I'VE got the awesomest, most kickassingnest twin sister around!  <grin>

[jay-ell]

All right you two.  Cut it out.  This could go on for days. 

I will turn this thread around.  I'm serious! 

[Arachno-capitalist]

Wait, Kellichou is linnea's sister?


kidding

[Doc]

The internet is fuck*ng Amazing.

[side_show]

Once again, a seemingly pointless messageboard about cartoon cats proves to be of use!  Yay!

[Nabubrush]

Once again, a seemingly pointless messageboard about cartoon cats proves to be of use!  Yay!

Again? That happened before?

[side_show]

I was just snooping around on wikipedia and found that "louries" is the common name for the various types of South African turacos and go-away-birds.  Interesting.  Birds can certainly chant.

[side_show]

More to the fact, go-away-birds seem to be called that due to the way they sound, here's an article on them, where their "voices" are describe like this:

These birds usually fly very noisily from one tree to another. Their voice consists of one or two syllable barks with some longer wailing notes. Their call consists of a loud and nasal "gwaa." When they are calling, it is almost as if they are saying "go-wayeer" hence the name of the Go-Away bird. They are often seen single, or in pairs. When spotted they are usually perched on a tree branch noisily telling others to "go away." Their call is very helpful to prey animals because they will start calling loudly when a predator such as a leopard enters it's territory.

Also from this page:

The go-away bird gets its name from its well-known call, a harsh "kay-waaay," which warns other birds of a human's presence. The bird is also called the grey lourie or a grey plaintain-eater.

Even more interesting, from this page:

African go-away bird Grey Lourie Corythaixoides concolor alert hunted animals to flee from predators.
Game hunters are often frustrated, when their hunted quarry reacts by fleeing from the go-away-bird alarm calls.

Go-away bird calls are very helpful to prey animals. They call out loudly gaa-wayrrr "alarm cry" when ever any predators enters its territory.
 

African go-away bird perched atop tree branch, noisily telling others to "go away" with their loud call "gaa-wayrrr" hence the name "go-away" bird Corythiaxoides Leucogaster.

Poetically speaking... all these descriptions of the sounds made by these birds are undeniably chant-like.  And the minor spelling change... I actually misspelled LOURIAS when searching it in wikipedia, which is how I found info on these birds.   A bird that warns of danger and prey, now chanting that it's safe to return?  That seems like a fairly straight forward poetic allusion.  Maybe it's something.  Somehow I imagine a group of eight lonely birds chanting more easily than eight lonely people of the same family chanting.  Many of the articles refer to how, unlike many other African birds, these birds are not colourful, but rather a solemn gray colour... again, gray = lonely?   

 

[AlohaDawg]

It's even MORE poetic, though, and the allusion works just so well if it does refer to that individual. That would be a coup of dot-connecting historically if it pans out.

Makes you wonder how many loose ends could be tied up if people just brought them up on message boards.

[kellichou]

Awesome, smells!!  I think that is a VERY good connection!!

Also, AlohaDawg's comment that it would be cool if it was both the historical figure AND an allusion to the bird, well, that would be a double-whammy that would be pretty well played. 

The power of the internets.  You just never know.

Poetically speaking... all these descriptions of the sounds made by these birds are undeniably chant-like.  And the minor spelling change... I actually misspelled LOURIAS when searching it in wikipedia, which is how I found info on these birds.   A bird that warns of danger and prey, now chanting that it's safe to return?  That seems like a fairly straight forward poetic allusion.  Maybe it's something.  Somehow I imagine a group of eight lonely birds chanting more easily than eight lonely people of the same family chanting.  Many of the articles refer to how, unlike many other African birds, these birds are not colourful, but rather a solemn gray colour... again, gray = lonely?