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[V-Adore]

I think the issue with the RealDoll, to me, is the Uncanny Valley effect -- there's something very unnerving about something that is almost human but not quite, especially when one is engaging in one of the most intimate human acts with it. Sex is something that, for better or worse, is associated with some degree of emotional connection or chemistry, and RealDolls are unnerving because they're just humanlike enough that you can pretend you have a connection with it. Eerie.

(I will say that I have no issues with dudes owning Fleshlights and the like. A Fleshlight is a masturbatory aid, the same as a dildo; you probably don't name it, and you certainly don't dress it up and pose it on your couch.)

[littlefallsmets]

I guess that... it's like...

From my experience as a dude and with ladies, it seems like a lot more work really needs to go INTO getting a lady properly off. So having all sorts of tools around for the job makes a good deal of sense.

Maybe it's just me here and I'm projecting my needs onto all other guys but... hand and a mental picture of two or three of my most attractive female friends naked... yeah, that's always been just about all I ever needed.

I never even understood the whole "Jergens" thing.

Hand, naked imaginings, maybe a beat-up tee-shirt for quick clean-up.

To get some ladies in certain moods off, it's like a magical incantation that you gotta get juuuust right. Even if they're the ones doing the work.

To get a guy off most of the time, even if you're doing it yourself, should be slightly less difficult than setting up a pot of coffee.

I guess I feel the way about a guy with a sex toy the way I feel about a dude who puts on, like, elbow pads and knee pads and shin guards and shit to get on a bicycle, just to ride on surface streets, not even go into nature or anything.

Like "fuck you, man, who are you trying to fool?"

Put on the helmet and go your quarter-mile to the liquor store, douchebag.

The odds of a dirt trail popping up between here and there are very very very low.

Body armour is not required. Get the job done.

[Arachno-capitalist]

I think the issue with the RealDoll, to me, is the Uncanny Valley effect -- there's something very unnerving about something that is almost human but not quite, especially when one is engaging in one of the most intimate human acts with it. Sex is something that, for better or worse, is associated with some degree of emotional connection or chemistry, and RealDolls are unnerving because they're just humanlike enough that you can pretend you have a connection with it. Eerie.

Right. The scariest part about realdolls, to me, is that the owners do form emotional connections. They arent just fucktoys to them. Maybe the guys i saw in the documentary werent the best representative sample, but they were way... way... to into it on every level.

[V-Adore]

I have to wonder what percentage of RealDoll owners buy them as complete relationship replacements -- i.e., for whatever reason they've given up on ever being in a long-lasting relationship with an actual human being, so they buy the next best thing. I have to imagine that motivation would attract two distinct and scary groups of people:

1) Guys who are seriously lonely and inept, to the point that they've given up on women and can only form an emotional connection with a toy because there's no risk of rejection; and
2) Guys who have never been able to form any kind of emotional relationship with women at all, and who probably view relationships/marriages as "support woman with money, receive sex in exchange." Why not pay at a premium to have a permanent partner with no needs?

This is creepy stuff. I'd be shocked if this doesn't get an extensive sociology publication at some point, because dang.

[littlefallsmets]

3.) Dudes dealing with a severe necrophilia fetish along with a severe dislike of prison.

[V-Adore]

In a weird way, the idea of RealDolls as a toy for necrophilia/doll fetishists is the least terrifying option. At least they know and appreciate that their sex object is mindless and can't return affection, you know?

[side_show]

Back to Bob Dylan:  I used to listen to Bob while enjoying a nice bath in the clawfoot tub in the last apartment I had while single.  Bob was my regular bath time music.  So Bob has been around while I shaved my legs and such.  I never thought of cleaning Bob though.  I bet all those creases get dirty.

I'm a fan of Ani Difranco's older stuff, but I don't know... she always looks a little unwashed to me.

I hate their music but I'd shower with that guy from Maroon five.  Or Justine Timberlake.  Or Regina Spektor (whose music I do like).

[littlefallsmets]

One of my best friends from high school went to college with Ms. Spektor and had a raaaaaaaaging crush on her, long before she was famous. Or at least claimed to have a crush on her. Since he finally came out of the closet, he has only dated men despite claiming continued bisexuality so...

It might've been more of one of those "I wanna BE her" things instead of one of those "I wanna be IN her" things.

When I saw her album on the shelf and I put two and two together that she was my buddy Adam's beard-crush at SUNY-Purchase... oh man... I got me some laughs outta that one.

[Arachno-capitalist]

One of my best friends from high school went to college with Ms. Spektor and had a raaaaaaaaging crush on her, long before she was famous. Or at least claimed to have a crush on her. Since he finally came out of the closet, he has only dated men despite claiming continued bisexuality so...

It might've been more of one of those "I wanna BE her" things instead of one of those "I wanna be IN her" things.

When I saw her album on the shelf and I put two and two together that she was my buddy Adam's beard-crush at SUNY-Purchase... oh man... I got me some laughs outta that one.

For the one and only time, you get a can from me.

[theinevitable]

When I saw her album on the shelf and I put two and two together that she was my buddy Adam's beard-crush at SUNY-Purchase... oh man... I got me some laughs outta that one.

I love hearing these stories, because the man I hate most in the world goes to this institution.

[Ben-San]

I guess I feel the way about a guy with a sex toy the way I feel about a dude who puts on, like, elbow pads and knee pads and shin guards and shit to get on a bicycle, just to ride on surface streets, not even go into nature or anything.

To me, the justification is in a different metaphor. If I have a plain pizza from the greasy joint down the block, I'll eat it happily. It's not the best pizza, but it's tasty and I'll enjoy it. Now, does that mean that the fantastic white pizza with roast chicken, alfredo sauce,  potatoes and fresh garden herbs is something I should deride ever having?

Of course not. The pizza with the fancy fresh ingredients and special stuff on it is not necessary to the stated goal of "enjoy a pizza", but it's a different and delicious experience. I suspect it's the same thing with dudes who have sex toys - not that they couldn't get off with Lefty and well-chosen mental images, but that they find the Fleshlight or whatever a different and enjoyable experience.

[Dullscythe]

I apologise for veering away from showering with musicians to comment on the Real Doll issue, but what came to mind for me was, 'At least these are replicas of adult humans'. It was then that I realised how damaging the internet can be to incautious browsers. Due to my habit of clicking on links despite warnings to not do so, and having thereby seen things like child-form sexdolls and people who have emotional and sexual realtionships with stuffed animals, the idea of men cuddling a Real Doll pings within normality to me.

[Toaster]

I would like to shower with Natalie Bassingthwaighte of The Rogue Traders. Also K T Tunstall. At the same time.

Ideally, though, I would enjoy a bath with a violin player. I just like girls who play the violin. It is a Thing with me.

A note: I just realized that both of the women I named are from the United Kingdom. This is also a Thing with me.

An aside: I think we all know which musician Teodor would like to shower with. (Meg White) Also, what musician he would like to bathe with. (Robert Smith)

[pmcd9]

Scythey, don't do cocaine at my you son of a bitch.

[littlefallsmets]

I love hearing these stories, because the man I hate most in the world goes to this institution.

Who is this person and why do you hate him?

(Is it over the affections of a pretty lady?)