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[theinevitable]

Oh, see, I think that the Beatles were on a completely different plane from any other musical group I have heard, ever. Everything they made is Golden.

They could have recorded a fart, and put some piano and guitar behind it, and I would want to listen to that song, I think.

I realize this is maybe ridiculous, but the number of times I have listened to some old Beatles' song and freaked the FUCK out about how good it was is... overwhelming.
I actually do this thing where I have different... I don't even know what the word is, but I think of certain bands in ways so different from other bands that I can't even compare them. The Beatles are one of those bands.

which reminds me, we had that argument before where I was saying the Clash are not punk, and about a month later I finally realized what I was trying to say.
The Clash were not punk, in the same way the Beatles were not a Merseybeat group (I had to look this term up).
"White Riot" is punk. "Love me Do" is Merseybeat.
"Spanish Bombs" is not punk. "A Day in the Life" is not Merseybeat.
But both of those groups grew so much beyond their original sound that just calling them Punk or Merseybeat is missing what made them great. This is what I think I was trying to say.

[wombat]

in the same way the Beatles were not a Merseybeat group (I had to look this term up).

Huh. Edu-fuck*ng-cation.

[smick]

I caught Casablanca on the big screen, some 10 years ago.

Afterwards I was asked what I thought.   "It was ok.  It was pretty cliché."

It seems like a lot of the time (not necessarily this one, you guys know your shit) when people call things overrated, they lack context and are looking at it in retrospect. "Shakespeare is overrated" is another favorite of mine. Last semester a kid in one of my classes said that Plato wasn't a very good writer.

[Carlos del Vaca]

The one I always remember is from when cartoon network did short interstitials of famous cartoon characters doing famous scenes from contemporary movies.  Shaggy (from Scooby Doo) and Droopy (the dog, from old Tex Avery cartoons) driving in a red convertible . . . hey whadayaknow, I found it.

"In Morocco, Morocco Mole is just called 'Mole.'"  HELLS YES

[CortJstr]

I caught Casablanca on the big screen, some 10 years ago.

Afterwards I was asked what I thought.   "It was ok.  It was pretty cliché."

I hate it when I watch/read/etc something that started a cliché and can't really get into. Because I'm familiar with the followers all I can think of are things that the imitators improved on or elements that seem lame because they've been done to death since.

[colmore]

And if you don't really watch for what other movies *weren't* doing at the time, Citizen Kane is a really good fictional biography, but a little heavy handed, and only so well acted.  Touch of Evil is probably a better fit for modern audiences.

Overrated/Underrated.  Citizen Kane is pretty well rated as among the most important popular American movies and also having a lot of merit in the way that is judged for movies of its day.  But that doesn't mean anyone has to like it.  Or Plato (who is frequently translated to be very dry).  Or the Beatles.  Or what anyone puts up in any art gallery.  Or Achewood.  Or anything.  If you disagree with a widely held critical belief, you likely place your aesthetic priorities in a different place than those critics do.  Since it's all, at its root, faulty logic based on unprovable assumptions, don't worry about the taste of authorities.

And don't worry about the taste of some nerd whose area of geeking out happens to overlap in one or two places with your music collection.  And don't worry when that nerd says, perhaps with even a bunch of little references and nerdy little arguments that something is SO great and nobody has heard of it and everyone should.  They're really just flipping out over finding a new song they like, like anyone else, they just happen to be saying "oh I think this is so great" in music nerd talk.  Probably even if they dress too alt-fancy and live in Williamsburg, Austin, or Portland.

[Enkidu]

I hate it when I watch/read/etc something that started a cliché and can't really get into. Because I'm familiar with the followers all I can think of are things that the imitators improved on or elements that seem lame because they've been done to death since.

I'm that way with the Rolling Stones and Weird Al polka covers.