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Author Topic: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]  (Read 5880 times)

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Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« on: October 17, 2008, 03:39:59 am »
I figure there needs to be a John McCain thread because he's probably not going to be in the news too much after a few more weeks.
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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2008, 03:45:08 am »
A peanut is neither a pea nor a nut... it is a legume.

Joe the Plumber is neither legally a "plumber" or legally a "the"... he is possibly the weirdest stumble yet.
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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2008, 04:03:35 am »
Here LFM is correct. The dude is not a licensed plumber. The dude does not want to build a business, he wants to buy one. The dude currently makes under $250k and would benefit from Obama's plan. His name is not Joe, it is Sam. There are liens on Sam because he hasn't paid his taxes.
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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2008, 04:41:16 am »
Quote from: Arachno-capitalist on October 17, 2008, 04:03:35 am
Here LFM is correct. The dude is not a licensed plumber. The dude does not want to build a business, he wants to buy one. The dude currently makes under $250k and would benefit from Obama's plan. His name is not Joe, it is Sam. There are liens on Sam because he hasn't paid his taxes.

If he doesn't pay his taxes, then obviously he won't benefit from Obama's tax plan!

Didn't think that one through, did you?!
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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2008, 07:20:51 am »
i just love how everyone who isn't running for president but is involved in the campaign is named Joe.

I asked my friend joey...
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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2008, 12:38:44 pm »
I swear the CBS news this morning said his middle name is Joe
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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2008, 12:44:23 pm »
Quote from: Arachno-capitalist on October 17, 2008, 04:03:35 am
The dude is not a licensed plumber.

Oh man, seriously?

I thought I'd already reached rock bottom of despair about how this campaign is being conducted but... wow. Is every single word out of their mouths a half-truth including 'and' and 'the'?
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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2008, 02:00:41 pm »
It was an offhand example at a debate. I don't think it should be that big a deal.
The fact that this little thing is seen as such a big deal does say something about the campaign though.
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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2008, 02:33:31 pm »
Doc, McCain referred to Joe the Plumber about 15 times. 
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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 02:51:40 pm »
Oh man, really? I only saw the 0 dollar fine clip.
Ok yeah that's crazy.
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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2008, 03:07:02 pm »
It's also significant because McCain is completely wrong about the guy.  He would actually benefit more under Obama's tax plan.

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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2008, 03:10:57 pm »
I knew that bit, I just assumed that had more to do with McCain being misinformed about the guy rather than trying to misrepresent Obama's policies (any more than usualy anyway) which is why I couldn't see why everyone was talking about it so much.
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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2008, 05:44:27 pm »
Wouldn't McCain being misinformed about the guy be bad enough? How hard is it to pick an accurate example for the point you're trying to make? Isn't that the least we should expect from someone who wants to be president?
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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2008, 05:50:15 pm »
I took it as a way for McCain to suggest Obama = Socialism without actually having to do it himself, and to paint Joe the Plumber as the embodyment of suspicious undecideds everywhere.

After the media did a little digging that the McCain campaign would've been wise to do before the debate, we learn that Joe "The Plumber" Wurzelbacher may be related to Robert Wurzelbacher of Cincinnati, Ohio, who happens to be Charles Keating's son-in-law. Robert Wurzelbacher was implicated in the Keating 5 scandal (just like McCain), and sentenced to 40 months in prison in 1993. Wurzelbacher is also a huge Republican donor.  If that's true, I'd say ol' Joe isn't an impartial judge of Obama's policies.

Further, Joe hates paying taxes SO MUCH that the state of Ohio has a tax lien against him for $1,182.98 from January '07.  He also has a credit judgment against him from a hospital in the amount of $1,261.

There were even rumors that Joe wasn't registered to vote, but it turns out his last name is spelled wrong on his registration.  It's legal to have that error in Ohio but it's the kind of mismatch that would get him purged from the rolls if certain politicians had their way with "voter fraud" measures.
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Re: Joe the Plumber [The John McCain Thread]
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2008, 02:21:04 am »
I pretty much give a crap about Joe the Plumber, but I find it sadly amusing that the right-wing bloggers are bemoaning the fact that folks are digging into his personal life and background.  Does the name Graeme Frost ring a bell?
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