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Author Topic: Who Ray and Beef are.  (Read 3791 times)

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Cioran

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Re: Who Ray and Beef are.
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2009, 09:30:38 pm »

It's an interesting comparison, but the cool guy/uncool guy pairing is found in many more places besides Ferris Bueller with varying degrees of similarity to Achewood. In the  Hardcastle/McCormick and Michael Knight/KITT dynamic, the characters were foils to each other socially, but came together to save each other's lives at the end of each episode. (This is the friendship every man wants.)  In the GOF, Beef and Ray's relationship was at the same time both deeper and more professional - Kirk and Spock all the way.

I take your point but the Ray/Beef dynamic is a bit more specific than cool/uncool. Ray does not map to David Hasselhoff, for the love of Zoroaster! Money/poverty and optimism/pessimism get all in there too.
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Re: Who Ray and Beef are.
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2009, 09:31:52 pm »

Ferris Bueller saves Cameron from himself and definitely wields more power in the relationship. OTOH, RB and Ray are far more equal. If anything, Beef is the one that saves Ray. Aside from his GOF strategy, it was Beef that hacked into Yahoo! when Teodor posted Ray's fake personal ad and it was also Beef that had to make sure Ray's pepper doesn't touch the rim. I don't think either is dominant, therefore much more Kirk/Spock than Ferris/Cameron.
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Re: Who Ray and Beef are.
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2009, 02:46:44 am »

Kirk/Spock is definitely a much better comparison. usually when Beef goes down for something it's because has decided it's inevitable or it is the proper thing to do. Ray needs to be there to show him to break out of that narrow world view.
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Re: Who Ray and Beef are.
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2009, 10:29:24 pm »

Points taken.
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