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Organizization Codependency
« on: November 03, 2009, 03:42:03 pm »

So, today I realized that I am so dependent on my to-do list that I find it impossible to organize my thoughts enough to get things done without one.

I realized this when I added "dress self" and "brush teeth" to my list, and then suddenly felt capable of doing these things.

Prior to writing them down and seeing that they needed to be done, I felt like I was at loose ends and couldn't wrap my brain around the things that needed to be accomplished before I can take my son to school. Things like, putting on a bra. I'm not sure whether to be afraid, or relieved that I've found something that works.

So, what are your life-coping strategies? How do you manage to move forward on this insane macabre carousel we call life? On a more practical level, are you a "do it when the mood strikes" kind of person, or a "list and conquer" type? Do you have a "system," and is it high- or low-tech? Do you manage your home life differently from your work life? Are there areas of your life you just can't seem to get under control? (I am, for example, constantly overwhelmed by my clothing. There does not seem to be a closet system in existence that can help me figure out what I should be wearing on a day-to-day basis.)

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Re: Organizization Codependency
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 04:34:16 pm »

I have no advice on system, just on psychology, which is to make sure you put every little thing on the to-do list, especially the things that you are sure will get done, so that you can have something to cross out and feel good about. In dire situations I have been known to write something down that's already done and cross it out immediately, if I forgot.
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Re: Organizization Codependency
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 05:10:00 pm »

See, I think my main problem is that I do not have a Cooperative Spouse in this regard. (Sorry, Pedro, but you know it's true). It's like pulling teeth to get him to sit down and even look at a list I've made, let alone collaborate with me on it. His work life is incredibly organized, but he won't bring it home, for some reason.

We do use Google Calendar for collaborative calendaring, and it's synched to my netbook and Pedro's iTouch so that we have access to it even in offline mode. And we keep a running grocery list on the fridge. But that's it in terms of collaborative family systems. We don't even really have a set chore schedule - so things like doing the dishes and laundry are catch-as-catch can, and usually fall to me because I'm the one that's home more often. Problem is, with the kiddies being so young, one upturned bowl of applesauce at the wrong moment can throw off my plans for the whole day.

Still, lists are my saving grace. When I do have a few minutes during which the kids are not demanding my undivided attention, I can check my list instead of spending ten minutes trying to figure out what to do with the time.
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Re: Organizization Codependency
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 05:38:51 pm »

me = pedro
the missus = jay-ell
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Re: Organizization Codependency
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 05:47:42 pm »

Jesus, as if I needed more reasons not to have kids. My list consists of "Go to work, or dont, you live in the internet age. Pay Bills. Have food? (once a week event where I buy the week's menu). Ok, now do whatever you want until list repeats."
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Re: Organizization Codependency
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 05:55:57 pm »

jay-ell,

Have you and/or your spouse been evaluated by a shrink for anxiety, ADHD, AS or the like?  What your above two posts describe seems like it could be either anxiety and/or a failure to see the forest for the trees phenomenon.  But maybe I just recognize that because it's what I'm personally familiar with from my own experience.  Myself, I am extremely capable of structured thought, but not of strategic thought.  I do better in a structured environment, such as the workplace, where the overall strategy of what we are doing has been determined by someone else.  I can solve the puzzles of how to get a particular task done with given resources.  Where I suck is being able to integrate disparate concepts together into a coherent strategy... I can work with apples, and I can work with oranges, but I can't work with both at the same time.  The job I failed the hardest at was delivery driver for a busy mom 'n pop operation.  Nothing was computerized, but it didn't have to be.  It was in a small town that was easy to navigate... But it required balancing numerous disparate and conflicting objectives... keeping delivery times short, but accepting as many deliveries as possible.  No fixed set of rules, no decision making flow chart, could respond to every possible combination of demands and objectives that would arise every day.  I could be successful on a given day, but I could never tell you why.  I don't learn strategy, I learn detail.  I wake up each morning with amnesia, having forgotten any sort of strategic ideas I may have formulated the night before.  Every day is a totally new day of reinventing the 'organizational' wheel all over again.

Making lists of items to do, and organizing these lists into categories, it tends to work for me only for a short short period of time, until such time as the number of items on the lists grows, and I become overwhelmed with it all.  A list of things to do or even a list of categories of things to do is not the same thing as a strategy.  Making lists works for me initially when only a few things are on the list because it forces me into a defacto strategy of focusing on only those things which I happen to remember initially and put on the list.  But it fails in the end because over time I tend to remember more and more things that I want to do or that need to be done, so it all melts down, I set the list aside and loose it in all the clutter, and eventually the cycle repeats it's self where I will start a new list after a few weeks or months of dysfunction and depression.

I have recently found a mechanism that seems to work better for me - I consciously force myself to not think on a low level... low level thought being thought about individual specific items.  my mind loves to go for low-level items.  It's very good at exhaustive low-level thought... I'm almost like some sort of rain-man in how I can deconstruct things on a low level.. I can take apart anything mechanical and figure it out better than most people can... I can fix just about anything... instead, I force myself to think about things that are higher-level... that are strategic in nature... with the idea being that the low level tasks of the day, what to do next and in what order, this low-level arrangement of tasks can spontaneously arise from the direction provided by having a high-level strategy, a higher-level purpose in life.  

Of course, we all have higher-level purpose in our lives... we have hopes and dreams, we have goals... but how much time do we actually spend thinking about things from a higher-level perspective, and how much time do we spend worrying about things that are lower-level...  anxieties such as changing the oil in the car before the engine blows up, getting bills paid on time, and so on...  The more time you spend thinking about something, the more your brain develops capability for thinking about it, and the better your brain gets at it... if overall you neglect to spend time visualizing the higher-level perspective, the bigger picture, then your capability to do so will become weaker over time, and pretty soon the big picture of your life, your higher-level hopes and dreams, become abstract notions wholly disconnected from your daily life.

So that's what I've been finding recently seems to be working for me, is to force my activities to flow from the higher level concepts, from the bigger picture of my life, to force myself to develop that bigger picture, and to hopefully over time gain a more functional understanding of how to make that happen as I gain more experience doing that... to force myself to stop doing things because they are causing me anxiety, and instead to do things because they stem from some positive purpose in my life.  I've spent most of my life doing things in response to some anxiety, either immediate or projected, and I've found that there's no end to the amount of anxiety I can generate for myself.  I've found that after years and years of trying, a coherent high-level strategy has yet to emerge from my low-level focus on lists of items, and so my life hasn't really gone anywhere I've intended or wanted it to.  I've had fun along the way, I've had lots of crazy and wacky adventures, but I want to shape my life into something different, and I want to do so more deliberately.
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Re: Organizization Codependency
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 05:58:27 pm »

me = jay-ell
the mister = A-Cap

Which does not work.  Which I am working on.  I have never, never, never, never complained about my husband to anyone, in the eleven years we've been together, until recently.  I am an extremely empathetic and accomodating person, and wife.  Now, however, I can't stop complaining.  The dam has broken.  

This is an interesting topic, because I have ADHD (inattentive subtype) and my sister is hyper-organized and very anal about it, and she's constantly harping on me about ways I could and should be more organized and all that stuff.  It's caused some friction between us and I've finally convinced her that where she feels she is caring about me and helping me, to me it's her telling me I suck and need to be fixed to be more like her.  

However, I do need fixing to the degree that I could use a better system to make sure I do the things that need to be done.  I haven't had my oil changed in months; I'm 8,000 miles over.  Yikes.  I think I'll make an appointment right now.

I also need to get the bathroom tub fixed, because water is leaking between the wall surround and the tub, through some degraded caulking, and the wall is getting damaged.  

I'm sick of having to take care of every household thing myself.  (aargh, there's that complaining again.)

**Edited to add the mister = A-Cap minus the "do we have food?  if not buy some" and "Pay bills" operatives.  Those are mine to do too.  FUCKFUCKFUCK
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Re: Organizization Codependency
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2009, 06:03:18 pm »

me = pedro
the missus = jay-ell

literally, or figuratively?
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Re: Organizization Codependency
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2009, 06:05:17 pm »

literally, or figuratively?

Oooh, I'm wondering too...is Choopernickel the actual Pedro?
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Re: Organizization Codependency
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2009, 06:06:36 pm »

I've been working on this guy's system recently - mostly for work.  My wife has her own system, which I'm happy to adopt at home.  I used to use the 7 Habits system, but I found it broke down somewhat due to the type of work I do (tecnical, rather than managerial).
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Re: Organizization Codependency
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2009, 06:09:13 pm »

What your above two posts describe seems like it could be either anxiety and/or a failure to see the forest for the trees phenomenon.  But maybe I just recognize that because it's what I'm personally familiar with from my own experience.  Myself, I am extremely capable of structured thought, but not of strategic thought....etc etc

Just want to point out that this is Mr. Wonderful at his finest, and why I like the guy.  (I also like his off-the-wallity, most times.)  More thoughtful, reasoned posts such as this, and less crazy, will make friends and influence people.  :)
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2009, 06:11:01 pm »

Oooh, I'm wondering too...is Choopernickel the actual Pedro?
Nope, this is the actual Pedro.  He drops in from time to time.
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2009, 06:12:49 pm »

Oooh, I'm wondering too...is Choopernickel the actual Pedro?
No. Pedro is Pedro Picasso
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Re: Organizization Codependency
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2009, 06:39:59 pm »

Just want to point out that this is Shithead at his finest, and why I like the guy.  (I also like his off-the-wallity, most times.)  More thoughtful, reasoned posts such as this, and less crazy, will make friends and influence people.  :)

Ahem...just wanted to point out for posterity that I did not actually post "Shithead", but A-I-U.  However, that particular censor function did make me laugh out loud, which I desperately needed.  So thanks!
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Re: Organizization Codependency
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2009, 07:15:32 pm »

yeah no way would jay-ell be into such as a fat nerd with a laziness issue, pedro's a cool mofo and a master of the elementals
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