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[Thomas Pain]

So okay, anyone ever have any homosexual dealings?  I made out with a guy for a while.  But I guess he wasn't too into me 'cause we never went past making out.  Maybe he thought I was too crazy or something.  Cuddled with another guy.  This other guy was kinda nutty, however.  I had this crazy lesbian friend who introduced us.  That didn't go anywhere.  But the first guy was okay.  A little bit off in some respect.  I would say a disproportionate portion of the gay guys I have ever known had some kinda issues.  I guess maybe that's 'cause I was in the midwest, and bein' queer in the midwest tends to affect a person? 

So I guess I'm not that into guys however that much.  I do kinda get crushes on guys sometimes.  Hell, like that one Queen video where they are all in drag, and one of them gives this smile to the camera.  (I want to break free) @1:11 There is some sexay going on there.  Damn, watching that video again and talking about it kind brings it back... The excitement of that whole 'angle' (the queer angle), the promise of it all... the possibility... the liberation from the gender stereotype and the gender role and all that society-imposed 5hit. all combined with a crush on someone... it's all quite a lot.  The idea of a relationship with someone who has all these angles a guy has to offer that a chick doesn't have to offer. 

And then somewhere along the way I slipped off track and got interested in chicks again, so my preference is now with chicks to a fairly significant degree. Perhaps it's somewhat telling how I continually get crushes on lesbians.  Indeed, my first girlfriend, as you may recall me recounting previously, she turned out to be a lesbian.  She wound up getting married, then divorced, now's living with her gf, they're raising her gf's daughters together.  So yeah, I totally dig lesbians.  If you are a chick and I have the hots for you it probably means you're gay, even if you don't know it yet.  and I don't mean that I dig lesbians in a Howard Stern male chauvinist kinda way.  I would guess that I am attracted to the 'masculine' aspects of lesbians and/or the lack of adherence to gender norms and gender stereotype and gender role.  But yet, I am totally attracted to women sexually.  I'm attracted to 90% of the women I meet, but only in a sexual way.  I'm attracted to many gay guys I meet, generally never attracted to straight guys, only gay guys, and not so much sexually, but inter-personally and emotionally. 

It's like I got scrambled in a star trek transporter accident.  A lesbian and a gay guy and an asexual all walk into a bar... The gay guy, sensing trouble, flamboyantly taps his communicator pin and says "beam us up Scotty, three to transport" and next thing you know, there's a power surge in the ship and they all get scrambled together into one person, and that person is me. 

I'm a complicated guy.

[Arachno-capitalist]

TL;DR

I'm a complicated guy.

Yeah, you and Mark G. Miller, only I'd read a thousand pages of MGM.
(Fact: I own and have read two David Icke books given to me by a crazy man)

[greenkoolayd]

i am drawn to tacos.

[bluemoon72]

i am drawn to tacos.

Even if that wasn't meant as a euphemism, it was. 

[lprkn]

Life's too short man, do what you want to do.

[Thomas Pain]

TL;DR

I know, I know.  When I was writing that, I wondered if I would want to read it all if I wasn't me, and I suspected that I might not. 

It's almost as if I have the opposite of schizophrenia in that respect.  From MGM's writings, I gather that if you have schizophrenia, your main problem is that you arrive at conclusions with fairly little due process.  You make whole series of connections between events and ideas on the slightest whim.  Whereas, myself, I am mired in process, unable to make the final connections necessary to arrive at even the most pedantic of conclusions, unable to make even the most pedantic of points without turning it into a thesis dissertation defense. 

So anyway, I was at a friend's house this afternoon, just kinda hanging out.  After a while his wife came home and all three of us were chatting.  My friend has this thing about teasing his sons that they're gay.  And I think he does it more when I'm around because at work that was one of the things that people would joke about was me being gay, not because I am terribly effeminate, I'm not really, but just because I'm completely wacko, so in an attempt to peg my... wait... poor choice of words there... in an attempt to categorize my whole identity, of course one of the aspects that people would hypothesize about would be my sexual orientation.  Not to mention I worked in a factory so that was kind of the normal standard level and subject of humor there anyway.

So anyway, the conversation segwayed from the question of my friend's son being gay to my lesbian ex girl friend, and at about that point, my friend's wife finds a pretense to pretend that the conversation is getting too weird and she leaves the room.  unbeknownst to her my friend has confided previously in me about the time that she separated from him to live with a girl friend of hers, all lesbionic style and such.

so I guess what I'm trying to say is that any members of Touamb who don't post in this topic, it's a safe assumption that they're avoiding the topic for a reason, if you know what I mean know what I mean say no more say no more nudge nudge wink wink (because they're gay and they don't want to talk about it.)

[Bobby Isosceles]

I think the bigger question here is: do you prefer your tacos with flour or corn tortillas?

vaguely related:

[Bobby Isosceles]

seriously will people put anything on a pug? isn't it humiliation enough to be bred to be the ugliest animal alive?

[Bobby Isosceles]

But back on topic:

For gay folks, is there a pressure to be involved with someone your own size so you can double your wardrobe for free?

[Thomas Pain]

seriously will people put anything on a pug? isn't it humiliation enough to be bred to be the ugliest animal alive?

yeah I was just gonna say.  That image kinda pushes me over the edge.  The combination of being a pug and that idiotic dress makes me realize that damn... it must suck to be a pug.  Pugs don't look ugly to me.  They just look uncomfortable.  It looks like it would be inherently *uncomfortable* to be a pug.  

You know how some people have mental disorders where they suffer from anxiety or boredom or OCD or something.  I but that probably all pugs have OCD or something.  Or maybe Tourette syndrome.  

[Thomas Pain]

But back on topic:

For gay folks, is there a pressure to be involved with someone your own size so you can double your wardrobe for free?

That would be a good advantage I guess.  Reminds me of this one time all my underwear was in the wash so I wanted to wear one of my gf's underwears and she said she didn't want that.  The idea of it kinda turned me on.  But I guess my gf there, she was insecure in my masculinity or her own femininity or I dunno what. 

[Choop]

[Bobby Isosceles]

yeah I was just gonna say.  That image kinda pushes me over the edge.  The combination of being a pug and that idiotic dress makes me realize that damn... it must suck to be a pug.  Pugs don't look ugly to me.  They just look uncomfortable.  It looks like it would be inherently *uncomfortable* to be a pug.  

You know how some people have mental disorders where they suffer from anxiety or boredom or OCD or something.  I but that probably all pugs have OCD or something.  Or maybe Tourette syndrome.  

More of a philosophical question, is it considered a disorder if they are bred to have that trait? Is a guard dog that is nervous and easily noticeable, obsessive-compulsive, or is it working to spec?

Part of what triggers this is the self-identification of high-functioning autists with prey animals. Cf. Temple Grandin and her entire abbatoir design, as well as the now-infamous "hugbox." It seems that certain traits that would make sense in a wild "state of nature" become pathologies when either bred to excess or when rendered excessive by societal norms. It makes sense, in a troop of apes, to have a few hyper-nervous ones as watchers. It doesn't make sense to be hyper-sensitive or neurotic in a technological society.

Since this original thread is about homosexuality, the question is, is there an evolutionary advantage? It would seem there is one since, by its very definition, homosexuality would have bred itself out if it weren't tied to something else. I read a science journal article a few years back saying that gays tended to be the younger or youngest members of middle to large groups of children, and that the "gay gene" may be tied to something related to female fertility. Is it a simple correlation, where one gene "rides on" the success of another? Do they interplay -- is the gay child a "pressure valve" to prevent overpopulation and self-destruction from fecund women? Difficult to say and I'm no evolutionary biologist, but this would be fun to study.

[Bobby Isosceles]

Now I want to play Kingdom of Loathing.

[theinevitable]

like 2 years ago i almost kissed this dude and then later I ran into him when i was not super-drunk, and he was all "i want to hug you a lot," and i was not into it anymore and felt uncomfortable.

i like the vagin a lot. you know?

we watched this movie yesterday where every actress had tiny mipples... what is pu with that preference. why is that what we/you/we want? areolas can be watever size exisgts, i like them regardess. yeah?