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[pmcd9]

I've finally found someone who is able to properly articulate my feelings about the so called Ground Zero Mosque.

[Arachno-capitalist]

Yeah that sounds about right.

[wombat]

A couple of smaller contributions that I like:

Other buildings on the same "hallowed ground"

and

[Choop]

dude gets a bad rap for his histrionics and diatribes but quite a lot of the time he's got great analysis. he's no rachel maddow, but then, she's a national treasure.

[Carlos del Vaca]

By the wingnut logic on this one, you shouldn't be able to build a church within a few blocks of the Oklahoma City federal building.

[pmcd9]

I mean, ain't this private property being developed within zoning ordinances?

Yes it is.  That's why the fascist that want to stop it really need to stfu. 

[AugustWest]

We love the Constitution so much we're going to ignore it as soon as it produces a result we don't like!

[wombat]

Although can I please put a word in for - do we really have to tear down every old building in the city and put up a horrible monstrosity of modern architecture? There really isn't a vacant lot anywhere in the neighborhood?

[Arachno-capitalist]

I don't even know how to make sense of what ash just said. The argument from the side of what Keith is saying is exactly what you're saying, but then you say both sides need to stfu and insult the person.

[Arachno-capitalist]

Although can I please put a word in for - do we really have to tear down every old building in the city and put up a horrible monstrosity of modern architecture? There really isn't a vacant lot anywhere in the neighborhood?

Did you miss the part where this is an abandoned building? I don't know what kind of urban landscape you prefer, but I like new useful and populated buildings rather than decaying, useless, and abandoned ones.

[wombat]

Did you never notice that old buildings can be restored and renovated?

[Carlos del Vaca]

Good one:
http://www.salon.com/news/ground_zero_mosque/index.html?story=/opinion/feature/2010/08/19/patriotic_muslim_american_on_the_mosque_mess

[arkabee]

Did you never notice that old buildings can be restored and renovated?

off topic:
herebouts they changed from the Southern Building Code to the International Building code a couple a few years ago.

used to be, the Codes Inspector told me, That California was a 4 and we were a 2 on the earthquake scale.
Now, with the different Code, we're a 4 and Cali is a 2.

Apparantly, he says, he says to me he says,
Apparently when our big one hits the earth is gonna _liquify_.
fuck*ng perfect end to a conversation with the Codes Inspector.

Incidentally, the New Madrid fault is all kinds of fucked up, for those that don't know.
we gots the floods, and the tornadoes, and the poisonous snakes AND spiders,
and we got the  The Earth Is Gonna Liquify Beneath You fault line.

step right up, folks, don't be the last in line.

but i digress,

we were talking to the codes guy, cuz we wanted to buy a building and ****----RENOVATE-----***** it,
and make some shops into it and all and it woulda been hella cool.

Apparently, when you renovate an existing sctructure and Repurpose it,
you then have to bring it up to CURRENT code as if it were a new structure.

which meant we'd have to have an engineer RESTRUCTURE the building that was
built in 1934 to meet 2010 earthquake code.

yeah, that would be cost effective.

so,
it turns out this explains why so many small town's downtowns are complete shit holes:
noone can afford to do anything other than raze them.

blagh.


on topic:
this whole mosque thing is a perfect illustration of what i think is wrong with media, politics, and america in general.

[theinevitable]

yeah, apparently when the big one hits St Louis, it will just be a pile of rubble.

Good thing it's mostly abandoned buildings anyway.

(last time there was a quake here, THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER RAN BACKWARDS.)

I just like the line where "the "ground zero mosque" is the best we can do, we've been making ground zeros next to mosques for several years now."

But yeah, also, build that fuck*ng thing. Build that thing and fill it with nice, peaceful people who al quaeda would HATE.

[wombat]

which meant we'd have to have an engineer RESTRUCTURE the building that was
built in 1934 to meet 2010 earthquake code.

yeah, that would be cost effective.

so,
it turns out this explains why so many small town's downtowns are complete shit holes:
noone can afford to do anything other than raze them.

This is sad. Especially since, seriously, if the ground is going to actually liquify, is there anything you can put in the building code that is going to help that much? You might as well just enjoy some nice buildings in the meantime TILL THE PLANET KILLS US ALL.