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[greenkoolayd]

cobra commander vocal ftw

[robot_god]

Opeth is the one of the greatest live acts ever (edit: is the greatest), not the smallest reason being Akerfeldt's hilarious mic banter.  The performances are tremendous but it's like I'm happy when songs end because I can't wait to hear what he's going to say next.  Also once I did shrooms at the show:  brilliant.

[oball]

I've seen them live twice.  They are my favourite band.

[Nabubrush]

Nothing wrong with cookie monster vocals.  For example, Opeth and Swallow The Sun both use them to good effect.

Although granted I do generally prefer the black metal rasp to the death metal growl.

I should have said "for me, the cookie monster-fronted metal band thing does not work. I cannot focus on the music without wincing."

You feel free to enjoy it, though.

[robot_god]

I've seen them live twice.  They are my favourite band.

Oh dang, now I see that you're an Aussie.  Did you see that Grand Final Replay?  St. Kilda, amirite?

Anyway, I saw 'em twice too, but once with the shrooms and the other time I didn't pay soooo... I think I'm kinda in the lead.

[theinevitable]

I think I am increasingly realizing that any really "affected" vocal style drives me insane. Whether it's cookie monster, weird hardcore screaming, or cutesy joanna newsom/dirty projectors crap.
am I making an arbitrary distinction between singing, which is inherently an affected style, and the styles I dislike? probably.

[littlefallsmets]

Dude, do you understand that so much of what I don't like about some of the bands you push is that their musical style is the painful affection that "playing your instruments well smacks of effort so we're gonna try really really hard to seem like we're not trying?"

I don't mind a band that plays simple things early on and grows their work as they get experience. That's fine by me, I like some minimalist stuff that is well-structured and considered in its minimalism.

But so many of the "we can't play!" bands are a fuck*ng POSE about how effort ain't cool and how off-the-cuff genius is all that matters and people who have to work hard to do good things suck, here we are just strumming away and we're fuck*ng amazing and we aren't even trying!

It is what I hate about the majority of the fuck*ng beatnik writers too. The fuck*ng POSE. "Oh, I just automatically wrote this shit and didn't edit it, you're assholes for trying, fuck you!"

[KeithHernandez]

Where the fuck did that come from?

[wombat]

Sometimes I don't know what the fuck y'all are talking about and I'm cool with that.

[Nabubrush]

Dude, do you understand that so much of what I don't like about some of the bands you push is that their musical style is the painful affection that "playing your instruments well smacks of effort so we're gonna try really really hard to seem like we're not trying?"

Relax a touch, wouldja?

[theinevitable]

but, like, me liking these bands is not some sort of weird pose.

I'm not saying "oh man, Thee Oh Sees' guitarist plays like shit, and I love how much this pisses on the idea of being good at your instrument, I am going to play their music in my house/car all the time and try to ignore it."
I'm saying "oh man, I really like the brutal, noisy way that John Dwyer plays his guitar. I find a lot of guitar playing to be boring, but hooo boy, this is really fun to listen to. I like listening to this music, so I will listen to it."

If i enjoy listening to music that sounds like this, it does not seem like a huge jump to say that the reason they make it is because it is the kind of music they like.

I have also thought a lot about the whole concept of "lo-fi" recording lately, and I think I have realized something. I am going to discuss this in the "What I'm listening to" thread, I think.

[wombat]

"I like listening to this music, so I will listen to it."

It ought to be this simple.

[Nabubrush]

Roll with it, inev. It's all good.

[Dangermoose]

Is there an affectation where in order to be a good writer you have to act difficult and cantankerous?

Oh, is it not an affectation?

Well, then maybe other things that appear to be affectations are just different approaches to music that don't sound right to you.  They might sound right to others.

[Choop]

this just in: people with different concepts of good drawn to different styles of expression