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[littlefallsmets]

Oh, I don't believe in the vaccine-autism link stuff at all, don't get me wrong.

So many things have changed about the human race's living conditions in the last coupla generations that trying to correlate autism's higher prevalance (or, anyway, higher number of diagnoses) with vaccinations seems insane to me.

Plastics? Lead? Electromagnetic radiation? Hormones in the foods? Generally lower infant mortality rates creating a larger pool of people with neurological disabilities? Simply understanding what it is and doctors pointing out what it is now?

I got no idea. My education is in mass media communications and world religions. I took a course in neurobiology in college and I have people in my family with different kinds of neurological problems so I probably know a LITTLE more than an average person but a lot less than jay-elle as the mother of an autistic kid and a lot less than someone with actual medical training.

All I know is I've been around for around thirty flu seasons and I have tended to get the flu less often in years I don't get the shots.

[jaydub]

When I walk into the barn and do the first hoss the others get all antsy about what they got coming. They know they are next.

Why, is it administered rectally?

[greenkoolayd]

Why, is it administered rectally?

if not, shots dont feel good, even if youre a hoss.

[theinevitable]

there was an NPR story at some point about the vaccine/autism thing, and they interviewed a mom whose kid almost died of whooping cough. he was too young to get the shot, and lots of older kids in their area were not vaccinated. She basically said "when people tell me their kids are not going to be vaccinated, I have a hard time not telling them I hope they die in a fire."

[Lister]

Vaccination is good.  Vaccination works.  People trying to outlaw vaccinations against HPV because 4,000 annual cases of cervical cancer is "worth it" as a deterrent to having sex make me ill and/or violent.  I wish there were a vaccine for that.

[Doc]

Amen, brother.

[AugustWest]

What we need more of is science.

[wombat]

And hoss worming stories!

[jay-ell]

I wonder how people get their not-vaccinated kids into day care, pre-school or regular school? The youngest started a pre-K program this school year and the immunization card and doctor health statement was part of the entry deal-io. I wish A-Dawg was around for a public health aspect on some of this.

You can get a waiver for "religious observance."

[Doc]

If you get the waiver but your kid ends up catching the measles can you get kicked out on the basis that apparently God doesn't like you that much?

[KeithHernandez]

See, I am for science, but also against it.  I think it is pretty cool we can do these things, but I think it is probably bad for the society.  You got to weed people out, that's where our problems are coming from.  Or, like we could change the way we live, but that is pretty unlikely with tea baggers running free.  I don't plan on going to a doctor again unless I have a broken bone.

[theinevitable]

I would definitely be someone who would get weeded out. Scrawny little dude? Can't see very well? "Science doesn't exist, leave him on the hill" says Roman dad.

[KeithHernandez]

I guess that is just my personal philosophy.  We should stop where we are though, unless we are going to make changes to society at the same time.

We should definitely have glasses and lsd and amoxicilian and ships and maps and the ability to set bones and stuff.  Just I don't see that too much more than that is improving peoples lives.  Lengthening?  Yeah.

Also, people who say smokers cost money to the system and such:  fuck all that.  We die earlier and open up resources for other people.  Plus, people got to die (and go to the hospital and such) some time.

[wombat]

Diseases are happy to weed out good smart people and leave evil stupid people behind. At this point in history if we want to improve the species I think we need to find a different method.

[Doc]

Also, people who say smokers cost money to the system and such:  fuck all that.  We die earlier and open up resources for other people.

Man, normally I am fairly liberal and easy going about life-choices cause I've done plenty to shorten my own but that's some bullshit. The majority of smokers probably won't get lung cancer (not that dying of lung cancer is cheap on the system by the way, chemo drugs, expensive surgeries etc), many many more get emphysema and end up as crazy skinny old dudes who need to be admitted every other week because every breath off pure oxygen is an ungodly struggle. Not to mention they need tonnes of professional care even when they're not in hospital because they can't even open a dang bag of bread without getting winded. It all costs, dawg.

Of course if you've paid your insurance/taxes (depending on your universal healthcaredom) then you're entitled to all the medical care you need/can convince your insurance company to pay for.

Probably not unsurprisingly I'm not down with the idea of letting nature weed us out either, I don't spend much time fussing over whether something's natural or not. We're the first species we know of that can intentionally and drastically alter our environment (and ourselves) to our own benefit. I'm not saying we should be reckless about it, we've seen where that goes, but we shouldn't be bashful about doing it either. I'm not going to be satisfied until I'm in my solar-powered 1000 year old body.