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Re: Bin Laden Dead.
« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2011, 03:20:19 pm »
There's an article going around from Der Spiegel questioning the "legality" of the raid that offed bin Laden.

TL, DR, and for all I know they may be technically correct.  But, you know, fuck them.  You know what else was illegal?  Flying some fuck*ng planes into some fuck*ng buildings.
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Re: Bin Laden Dead.
« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2011, 04:27:17 pm »
Been sorta keeping up with this amongst some folks who (I believe) are fairly informed, some of who live in the area, and they say the compound itself wouldn't have necessarily stirred folks up, neither would the burning grabage instead of taking it out to the street - but even with that, the Pakistani gov't probably will not say boo in the long run due to the amount of back-and-forth with them about OBL and their laxness about following up. Everyone knew he was almost certainly in Pakistan. If (some of) the Pakistani gov't wasn't culpable, they'd be all over our ass for running a strike in there.
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Re: Bin Laden Dead.
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2011, 06:45:23 pm »
So, Fox's crawl talks about how OBL was "confused and frightened" . . . seriously, when do we say this spin they put on everything has become a pathology? Painting him as the victim? I saw screencaps that declared "Obama Bin Laden" had been killed, and I have seen a number of screencaps where a disgraced Sen or Rep is suddenly pushed across the aisle unbeknownst to everyone, abruptly changing from an R to a D.

I don't get to see the other news channels as much because up here it's all Rupert, all the time - can anyone tell me if the other channels do stuff like this? Examples?
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Re: Bin Laden Dead.
« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2011, 02:16:42 pm »
Quote from: Asherdan on May 05, 2011, 06:57:05 pm
But those kinds of thinks you wrote up?

If the typo in a post about convenient typos is somehow significant I can't process how. More beer may help.

News here has been showing some protests in the streets in Pakistan, burning American flags and similar. I get that the idea of a foreign power invading your country and killing someone and your government just sitting quietly is concerning (I mean, what if America decides it doesn't like you tomorrow) but pick your goddamn battles, guys. Dude's a murderer on an obscene scale and it's not even like he was a Pakistani citizen.

My housemate was born in the USA and he was kind of bummed out when he found out Osama didn't go down shooting because it robbed the whole thing of it's moral righteousness, which is the same vibe I'm getting from the Fox News thing. Not that Osama shouldn't have died but that he should have been killed in a way that gives the US unquestionable moral authority. Because if his death was righteous then it was a good thing and you can celebrate it. If it's morally questionable then you can't feel as good about it and it calls into question the US's national identity as the Good Guys.
I think the idea that someone's death can be morally righteous should be got rid of. I don't think a death can be righteous, it can only be necessary because all other options have been exhausted. I'm going to say Bin Laden's death was necessary and I'm glad it happened. But as we already said, you shouldn't be dancing in the street over it.
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Re: Bin Laden Dead.
« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2011, 03:17:55 pm »
I've seen a lot of back-and-forth about this stuff, but I don't think you can put the genie back in the bottle - we're a "Woooo-HOOOOOO!" culture, and we're going to do that sort of thing more and more. Not to mention we're moving toward a point where everyone has the attention span of a gnat, so, you know, go get 'em.

I saw a bit where a celebrant on TV said "Mission accomplished - we got Osama and I'm drunk! Go USA!" So there's that.
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Re: Bin Laden Dead.
« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2011, 06:22:45 pm »
and yet people say our culture is getting "too PC."


yeah, I think there is a pretty big distrust of the US in Pakistan, what with the flying army of shadow *****s blowing people up and stuff.
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Re: Bin Laden Dead.
« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2011, 11:08:35 pm »
Quote from: Doc on May 06, 2011, 02:16:42 pm
My housemate was born in the USA and he was kind of bummed out when he found out Osama didn't go down shooting because it robbed the whole thing of it's moral righteousness, which is the same vibe I'm getting from the Fox News thing. Not that Osama shouldn't have died but that he should have been killed in a way that gives the US unquestionable moral authority.

Yeah, I don't get that. It's like they're disappointed to learn that our armed forces made it out of the compound safely. It wasn't messy enough. Couldn't someone have at least taken a shot? Like good intelligence, planning and execution is somehow a failure.
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Re: Bin Laden Dead.
« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2011, 11:47:11 pm »
I don't feel like the navy seals are supposed to do everything they can to give the enemy a chance to surrender, like a cop might be expected to do. It's a weird world we live in that people might think that.
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Re: Bin Laden Dead.
« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2011, 08:49:27 pm »
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