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[KeithHernandez]

Indeed.

Here there were things called rose in a bottle or something, and it was a small crack pipe sold at gas stations.  Then, they came out with candy in a bottle that was the same thing with like 1 m&m in it so it could be purchased with food stamps.  Did you have that problem?

[side_show]

You bet - at many a convienience store. 

[Nabubrush]

The last time I really got sideways with a crack pipe, the guy who was fixing tried to tear off a piece of steel wool. In case you don't know, steel wool doesn't really tear. It sliced the shit out of his hand, though.

[side_show]

There are times when, if you are in tune with yourself, clear messages about if a product meant to be used in application to the human body are pretty clear.  If it is so bad in contact with your skin it is basically telling you not to use it.  I have pulled apart steel wool, and the burning itch it leaves on my fingers is message enough.  Then again, I've known some crack addicts who are so smart, yet due to poor impulse control do things that are so bad for themselves and those around them.  Crack seems the worst for that in my experience.  It's such a short high that it gobbles up the financial resources damn quick if you want to stay high on it.  I know a lady who is probably smarter than me who has lost everything - material possession and interpersonal relationships - due to that pattern.  It's all gone, genuinely up in smoke, and she's got the self awareness to know it, which in my opinion, is far worse than being a dummy and not knowing you've fucked yourself. 

Addiction vs use are very interesting to me.  Gabor Mate's book "In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts" talks about this.  I do agree with the majority of what he says, which is pretty revolutionary stuff about addiction.  I believe the hard wiring for addiction has a direct relationship to health attachment in early childhood.  All the brain science is laid out in the book, and I've seen the reality of it played out in enough people.  Some people can just use drugs, while those of us who have addictive natures are of a different cloth. 

[jay-ell]

Since we're on the topic of recreational drugs, I was thinking recently that I'm kind of curious about Ecstasy. I'm not really that interested in coke (I am high strung enough) or LSD (my brain is already altered), and I have smoked enough pot to know what that's like. But E seems like something that's completely unique and would be fun to try once or twice.

I read a blurb about an article on E recently and why everybody should try it at least once, and I can't find the piece now. But it got me thinking. I'm sure someone here has done it. What's it like?

[pmcd9]

I too am curious to try E.

[CortJstr]

The E episode of Spaced is fun. I know friends who say never to have sex while using it because by comparison regular sex is like wearing a carpet suit. But then I've never tried anything harder than caffeine and alcohol.

[Nabubrush]

I'm on that list, too. I'd like to try it with the missus. Not really interested in any more acid, though.

[jay-ell]

Nabu, I'm kind of surprised you've never tried it. What with all your other adventures, and all.

Keith?

[Nabubrush]

Yeah, me too - I think it became popular a touch too late for me.

[wombat]

Did this thread start out about a celebrity that died who had been messed up because of drugs and is now about which drugs we should try?

[Nabubrush]

You have to admit, that's less wandering than usual.

[side_show]

Side note:  JL, many high-strung people, especially those with diagnosed ADD or ADHD are not wound up by coke.  Very much the opposite - they are "normalized" and relaxed on crack or coke.  There is a studied correlation between crack use and addiction in people with ADD because of this.  It's about the way these drugs interact with the differing chemicals in the ADD brain vs a non ADD brain.

I have no interest in ecstasy.  Having been in a situation where I was around a bunch of people who were on E while I was having a bad trip on hallucinogens has cemented some very negative connotations in my mind about the stuff.  I was crying and thinking I had lost my mind and my friend's response in an attempt to comfort me was to want to grope me and lick my tears off because I was apparently "beautiful" when I cry.  Fuck.  Never again.

[greenkoolayd]

tom arnold said he has ADHD and in his coke days, it just made him intense and zoned-in.

[KeithHernandez]

I felt like coke/amphetamines helped me concentrate/zone in or whatever too.

I don't feel like small doses of LSD and bigger doses of E are all that different.  I guess the difference is on E you feel fuck*ng incredible and on any LSD it is kind of like your body isn't there.  I find E really fuck*ng fun, but you are still tripping.  It is a little baby trip, but depending on your past experiences it could get to you.  I came to psychedelics through massive mushroom use, and mushrooms are the harshest of all that I have done, so LSD and E were both super fun, your mileage may vary? 

I said it here like a week ago, but I would consider both small doses of LSD and almost any amount of E to be therapy that basically increases your enjoyment of the world for 3-6 months.  I would recommend doing it, but there is a very minor risk.  It doesn't last near as long as LSD either.  With LSD I can't sleep for like 18 hours if I take more than 1 hit, with E I can sleep in like 6-8 hours.

Oh, so also, with LSD and Mushrooms if you take them angry or with stuff over your head or something it might get to you.  With E it always makes you extremely happy, so then the trip part is a breeze because you are so happy and feel so good.