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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2012, 09:36:12 pm »
I'm sure it wasn't a huge amount of money (maybe five grand), but he probably wasn't managing his money very well and I bet he blew through it pretty quickly. Sarcastically denigrating people who are complaining that they were defrauded out of money that they paid, thinking they were going to get a book in exchange, is fuck*ng ridiculous. There are no books to build a sarcasm-fort to defend yourself with, Chris. The books were never printed and you just took the money instead of paying the printer.
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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2012, 10:02:41 pm »
Quote from: littlefallsmets on July 01, 2012, 05:14:55 pm
Onstad's internet sock puppet is called BugMeNot2?

This is good information to have.
I imagine that is a login from bugmenot.com and thus not owned by any one person. You could probably look up the password and make contradictory posts. But I agree that said post was probably from Onstrad.
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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2012, 10:20:13 pm »
I actually find the cookbook situation kind of fascinating right now. I'm sure he never released it because he kept fiddling with it and never thought it was good enough, and then the whole rest of his life fell apart, and now that he's sort of got his act back together, he's trying to make a career as a serious food writer, so he can't release a cookbook written by cartoon cats, you know? It would be embarassing.

I wonder if he will also never post the original cookbook in the new store. I think it might be time for me to scan it.

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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2012, 10:24:10 pm »
Quote from: wombat on July 01, 2012, 10:20:13 pm
I actually find the cookbook situation kind of fascinating right now. I'm sure he never released it because he kept fiddling with it and never thought it was good enough, and then the whole rest of his life fell apart, and now that he's sort of got his act back together, he's trying to make a career as a serious food writer, so he can't release a cookbook written by cartoon cats, you know? It would be embarassing.

I wonder if he will also never post the original cookbook in the new store. I think it might be time for me to scan it.



Any of those scenarios may be true, but there's nothing preventing him from issuing refunds to the people who did pay upfront for a book that hadn't even been finished or printed yet.
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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2012, 11:16:53 pm »
On the other hand, we live in a country where fraud is illegal. Plus he was kind of a dick to a bunch of strangers.
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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2012, 11:31:47 pm »
Quote from: Arachno-capitalist on July 01, 2012, 11:16:53 pm
On the other hand, we live in a country where fraud is illegal. Plus he was king of a dick to a bunch of strangers.

Can'd. He should have advertised truthfully and set out a PayPal "Donate" button instead, if that was how the money was being used. Maybe he didn't get enough "pre-orders" to pay the printer upfront. Maybe he pissed away all the money instead of paying the printer. Maybe he was disappointed with the finished product, or dithered around and never got a finished product. The customers should have been refunded if he was running a legit business. Or maybe Liz had already split by that point, and he couldn't figure out how to do it.
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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2012, 11:44:47 pm »
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Or maybe Liz had already split by that point, and he couldn't figure out how to do it.

I kind of want that to be the explanation because... like... of the reasonable explanations, that is the only one where we might feel a need to cut a dude some slack on it.
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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2012, 11:54:28 pm »
Quote from: littlefallsmets on July 01, 2012, 11:44:47 pm
I kind of want that to be the explanation because... like... of the reasonable explanations, that is the only one where we might feel a need to cut a dude some slack on it.

Yes, it's not very much money, and I am only personally out less than $20, but it's still not right. He produced one of my favorite things ever for 10 years. I bought every book he released, at least a dozen shirts, posters, stickers, all kinds of shit. I am sure that most of his fans didn't purchase much, if anything, to cover his bandwidth costs or his cost of living in San Carlos and then the move to Portland. I admire him for his success in a field where very very few artists are able to live off their webcomics work. He maintained his creative output for a long time, and I don't fault him for wanting to do something else now. However, dude doesn't exactly seem destitute or down-and-out to me. Maybe he feels that he can afford to cultivate a new fanbase now as a culinary writer, but I still think it's low to rip off a small group of loyal fans, even if it was less than five grand.
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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2012, 12:37:30 am »
You know how there's always that conversation about how fans can get very entitled about how they 'deserve' or are owed a product, particularly in the case of webcomics?
This is almost a subversion where the artist expects fans to support him in the absence of art. 'Stad's business model has become an artistic statement.
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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2012, 01:11:38 am »
Quote from: Doc on July 02, 2012, 12:37:30 am
You know how there's always that conversation about how fans can get very entitled about how they 'deserve' or are owed a product, particularly in the case of webcomics?
This is almost a subversion where the artist expects fans to support him in the absence of art. 'Stad's business model has become an artistic statement.
Or how customers feel like they are entitled or owed a product they paid for?
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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2012, 01:52:33 am »
Remind me to call Ash if I ever need to borrow $20.
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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2012, 02:03:53 am »
hey inev, if you need to borrow 20 bucks, ask ash.

you asked me to remind you.
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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2012, 02:09:19 am »
$20? Screw that. I have a bridge I'd like to sell him.
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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2012, 02:44:35 am »
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Re: What Chris Onstad is doing instead of making comics
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2012, 07:26:32 am »
Quote from: Asherdan on July 02, 2012, 02:03:20 am
(I might give you something, though)

20 buckshot?
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