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[theinevitable]

yeah, recently I did something bad to a hard boiled egg and had to swear eggs off for a while. They are definitely one of the weirder things we eat.

My dad can't eat eggs ever since his grandma died when he was a small kid. She used to cook him eggs, and when he died his mom tried and apparently he was just crying and puking and hasn't eaten them ever again.

Wombat, maybe this is totally weird, but I sometimes think about strange Japanese foods that strike me as totally bizarre, and use that brain space to think that way about American foods. I think it works because both cultures have a lot of interest in convenience and packaged foods, and have turned their idiosyncratic foods into packaged versions.
"yeah, so this is some boiled wheat paste tubes with sauce. The sauce is made from this yellow powder, but it is supposed to taste like carefully fermented milk."
"this drink is a soda, but instead of any flavor you have heard of it is this blend of various roots."
now I can't think of other good ones. this makes eating basic foods seem really exciting.

[JorgeFabregas]

Right. I only mention it because Keith cited a health concern in his defense of veganism. And we all, with a few notable exceptions, know that smoking and taking drugs are the worst thing you can do for your health.

As long as excessive drinking is included in taking drugs.

I'm also vegan for non-human animal reasons. I don't smoke, rarely drink, and don't consume any other drugs. I also get a moderate amount of exercise. I think all of the vegans and wannabe vegans I know have similar habits. They're also not yuppies, really. I suppose most of the vegans I know aren't much different than the non-vegans I know.

Eggs don't bother me.

[KeithHernandez]

Do we know that?  Smoking cigarettes is awful and uppers will kill you (another reason cigs are bad!), but outside of that, I don't think you are right. 

Now, most of my (non marijuana) drug use is on that upper tip, but still.  Also, it would be silly to think that one thing doesn't effect the other.  Currently I run at least 4 miles a day.  I eat a clif bar and blueberries for breakfast, a banana, then broccoli sprouts and raspberries, then an apple midday and just whatever for dinner (usually a pretty healthy thing)...if I don't get lung cancer or emphysema I probably won't have super negative effects from smoking (yer heart diseases, etc.).  I could definitely get cancer though.

In cigarette smokers, smoking marijuana decreases lung cancer.  Opiates are some of the healthiest things you can put into yourself, as far as damage to your body, as long as you don't overdose.  Hallucinogenics have little to no effect on your body.  What are other drugs?  Mephedrone?  That shit was the best thing I have ever done, but I've never felt worse the next day, so probably not great?  Ketamine and PCP probably aren't awesome to do...  I don't know man, I think some drugs are bad and some are neutral and some are good, just like every other fuck*ng thing?  But yeah, if you leave your comment at cigarettes you are probably right?

After all, the only reason we are here is cause some Apes found Psilocybin cause they got forced out of the forests. 


Edit:  Yes...drinking, that is the other awful drug.  I don't do that one.  IDK, pick your battles, do what you like the most (I love smoking cigarettes and being high off of marijuana) and try to balance that out with other things?

Maybe it is where I live/lived (BOULDER), but there are a shit load of yuppie, holier than thou vegans...sorry.

[KeithHernandez]

Here is something we could all agree on maybe?  The two legal drugs, while they may not be the most harmful straight up, are the most harmful with the least positive effects...  Like, cocaine ruined a lot of lives.  It also got us some great music and psychoanalysis.  LSD...maybe some peeps jumped of a roof (probably like 3), it also gave tons of people a greater sense of their place in the universe and gave us the DNA structure (and even more great music than cocaine!)  Speed...easy access to amphetamines has been around since we had amphetamines, probably not on accident...etc, etc.

[colmore]

I refuse to believe that smoking pot the way most people smoke pot is health neutral or positive.  I don't think there's any plant you can light on fire and inhale the smoke and have it be health neutral.  I wake up with nasty coughs and I've had maybe 5 cigarettes in my life.

[Bobby Isosceles]

What the fuck is happening in this thread? Have we all collectively dropped acid or is this the new "Today I'm gonna..."?

[AugustWest]

Have we all collectively dropped acid

Now there's an idea!

[wombat]

Wombat, maybe this is totally weird, but I sometimes think about strange Japanese foods that strike me as totally bizarre, and use that brain space to think that way about American foods. I think it works because both cultures have a lot of interest in convenience and packaged foods, and have turned their idiosyncratic foods into packaged versions.
"yeah, so this is some boiled wheat paste tubes with sauce. The sauce is made from this yellow powder, but it is supposed to taste like carefully fermented milk."
"this drink is a soda, but instead of any flavor you have heard of it is this blend of various roots."
now I can't think of other good ones. this makes eating basic foods seem really exciting.

I love this. Perspective.

[theinevitable]

I don't know if smoking pot is natural/positive, but I think it is better for me than drinking a bunch on my nights off, which is what I used to do. I never wake up with an upset stomach or a headache after smoking. Smoking a drug and then giggling a lot and really enjoying a record is so much better than, like, drinking beer and being rude to ladies, or yelling at people, or really wanting to ride my bike but not being able to. I also do find that it makes me synthesize information into new knowledge in a different way, and notice things in a way I hadn't before.

I'm sure it is unhealthy for me to do. But I think the societal effects are much better than alcohol.

Also, cigarettes should be illegal. I don't know how/where pot relates to this opinion. If the numbers came out saying pot was as bad for you as tobacco I would say it should not be legal, but I have not seen evidence of that.
(I don't think possession or growing for personal use should be illegal, but you should not be able to legally market and sell a product that kills humans by the million.)

I guess I also never talked about the conclusion of this on here, but I did eventually find a psychiatrist and get prescribed psychiatric medication (slow-release ADD meds). They were very helpful once I found the right dose, but my doctor SUCKED for making appointments with. He was only in the office near me once a week, and I could never make it work out with my work schedule.

There was this interesting effect when I ran out of pills... the self-assurance I had gained stuck around for a few weeks longer, but the cognitive benefits disappeared almost instantly. So I would approach tasks optimistically, and then realize I was making a complete mess out of them. I felt GREAT about my performance at work, for instance, and then one day I realized I was feeling good about myself while making a lot of dumb mistakes and zoning out instead of working. Lots of dropping stuff, lots of forgetting people's orders, lots of staring at people mutely when they were talking to me. Yikes.

I also did this funny thing where I blew off working on my grad school applications for way too long. Good job, inev. Smoking pot and reading the D&D player's handbook was much more important.

[Bobby Isosceles]

Now there's an idea!

A bad one. Doing so would bring back THA SUGAH RAIN and the other guy that was an aspie troll.

[Arachno-capitalist]

Thread of the year. 9/10

(Do we still do awards like that? I know it happened.)

[jaydub]

Two tropes of marijuana use are munchies and demotivation.

They are tropes because they are hell of true.  I was a lazy procrastinating kid before I started smoking pot.  Within 6 months of starting I was kicked out of a state college for poor grades, basically because I never went to class.  That did light enough of a fire under me that I wrote a letter basically begging to get reinstated.  I didn't stop smoking pot entirely for another year or so, but I definitely noticed my ability to work productively was perfectly inversely proportional to the amount of toking I did.

The munchies for me was a weird experience.  I wasn't hungry exactly, but it felt like there was an emptiness behind my ribs, and throwing food down my pie hole was amusing.

Despite the strong association between cancer and smoking, the number of smokers who get cancer is relatively low (its just much higher than the number of non-smokers for specific cancers like lung, esophageal, tongue, and lymphoma).  What is almost inevitable if you smoke long enough is COPD, which is not a party.  The real smoking associated killers are atherosclerosis and secondary infections to COPD, usually after a nice, long, wretched descent into unwellness.  Atherosclerosis contributes to heart disease, kidney failure, and strokes.

What I'm saying Keith, and any other smokers reading this, is that not only will cigarettes kill you, they will make your life not worth living for a long while before that happens.  Eating right and exercising provide a marginal benefit, and can't even make a dent in the damage smoking causes.  Quitting sucks, and every ex-smoker I know hated the process, and really, REALLY wants to start back up again.  Even those who have quit for 30 years.  After a while though, like all human behaviors, not smoking becomes a habit and it isn't so much work any longer.  I know you like projects - consider quitting a project and maybe it will be something you could be good at.

[Arachno-capitalist]

Good god you sound exactly like my ex when she went to medical school. She became maniacally concerned about my smoking (cigs). I quit smoking because I hated smelling like smoke and smoking failed the ACAP test*. I'm personally not convinced (despite Education and Research) that smoking is an end-of-life causality. I smoked, at max, a pack a week. I couldn't find data on people who smoked like that. All of the PSAs are of people smoking packs a day and clearly had no lever of self-control. I could quit smoking for weeks at a time, but dude did I ever I want a cigarette at times.
Meanwhile my uncle died of esophageal cancer (never smoked) and my mother developed (about 4 people on earth had her form of) leukemia in her 50's despite living a healthy non smoking life. My father died of something equally odd. An analyst could see how I've easily developed an idea that death and disease Happen. We can run endless regressions on what causes what, but we have no idea.

*ACAP Test: You are about to make a decision
How many up and coming noble laureates would make the same decision?
Will you be able to function at 100% capacity after a night of sleep?
If you are about to break any laws, can you get out by morning with a fine?
Is there more than one person who can corroborate anything you do?
Would you do what you are about to do if your grand/mother was standing over your shoulder?
Can you make money and how much?

There are few more proprietary steps in the spreadsheet. Weights, etc.

[Choop]

the perfect munchies snack: eggs. crack two in a pan of melted butter or bacon grease, add salt & pepper, break the yolks and stir. don't scramble it all the way, it'll fold together like an omelet. don't add cheese or anything, just buy good eggs.

[Arachno-capitalist]

the perfect munchies snack: eggs. crack two in a pan of melted butter or bacon grease, add salt & pepper, break the yolks and stir. don't scramble it all the way, it'll fold together like an omelet. don't add cheese or anything, just buy good eggs.

You described the worst omelet ever. I guess if you poisoned it with cyanide or a miley cyrus cd it could be worse better.