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[colmore]

"Punk" has meant about at many things over the years as "Rhythm and Blues" has.

The earliest scenes that were called punk by the people that were there at the time (and not retrospectively), New York and Manchester, had a really diverse array of bands.  Classic punk immediately brings The Ramones, The Sex Pistols, The Clash, and The Dead Boys to mind, but it also had Patty Smith, Television, the Soft Boys, Joy Division, the Talking Heads, and others that don't fit the paradigm so neatly.  Punk was a reaction against the popular music of the late 70s, but that doesn't mean it was a total break.  And in my experience, musicians themselves have wider ranging tastes than their fans.  I bet if you were to take a poll of everyone whose band played CBGB's between 76-81 (to pick a kinda arbitrary range) and asked for opinions on Led Zeppelin, the results would be mixed.  I mean, before punk there wasn't much punk for the punk rockers to listen to.  Their record collections in 1975 had to have more than Iggy Pop and the Velvet Underground in them.

[pmcd9]

It seems like there is some logical fallacies going on here. Are we talking about bands that played at CBGB's in the 70s? I thought we were talking about Penny, who, based on the armband she wears, loves the Ramones, and who also, based on her disparaging statement, doesn't care too much for Led Zeppelin.

[colmore]

We WERE talking about Penny, but then I started talking about what I wanted to talk about, duh.

There's no blanket statements to be made about what a 2014 punk will listen to.  I was once at a punk house show where after the bands quit playing and everyone was drunk, someone's 90s mix on their iPod got plugged into the PA and drunken dancing to "What if God Was One of Us" commenced.  And yes, you have to be heroically drunk to dance to that song.

[ianmalcolm2]

i was actually at a 'good punk show' last night. I dunno if history was respected very much, but it was in a squat house basement with a band called 'asian dad black baby' and there were good saxophone solos.

that said, i have nothing to contribute

[greenkoolayd]

i was actually at a 'good punk show' last night. I dunno if history was respected very much, but it was in a squat house basement with a band called 'asian dad black baby' and there were good saxophone solos.

that said, i have nothing to contribute

punx with saxaphone solo

[jaydub]

Parents wouldn't spring for guitar lessons.

[dejavroom]

It's people going "this music sucks, we need to make better music" and then it's normal for the music they think is better to be as different as they can make if from the music that they think sucks

+1

[ianmalcolm2]

That FEAR song is great. The intersection between punk laziness and free jazz sax squawks seems like a fertile musical vein to mine.