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Title: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: rowboat on November 17, 2009, 11:49:53 pm
Unshelved (http://www.unshelved.com/) (I work for the library, so I'm faced with these every day. Someone always has one hanging on his or her cubicle. I have this thing I do where I take them down.)

Irregular Webcomic (http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/)

Yehuda Moon (http://www.yehudamoon.com/index.php?date=2009-11-17) (Thank you Fuck you, Smick.)

Molotov Cocktail (http://molotovcocktail.comicgenesis.com/) (Terrible art and comic sans dialogue.)

User Friendly (http://www.userfriendly.org/)

And...

Webcomics which everyone seems crazy about which I find to be so-so at best:

XKCD (http://xkcd.com/)

Penny Arcade (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/) (I'll concede that it's a little funny occasionally, but the art is just ridiculously annoying. It belongs on greeting cards for children or something.)

Dinosaur Comics (http://www.qwantz.com/index.php) (Often funny, but I will never consider it an actual comic for obvious reasons. It's not a funny comic. It's a funny....something else.)
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: rowboat on November 17, 2009, 11:50:52 pm
This is really just the tip of the iceberg. Seriously, I hate almost all of them.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: wombat on November 18, 2009, 12:15:46 am
Aw, what's so awful about Unshelved?
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: CortJstr on November 18, 2009, 12:30:06 am
I like Dinosaur Comics (I just bought another t-shirt today, actually) but I can see how some would question if it's really a comic. I find the comparison to a sonnet to be apt.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Chump Change on November 18, 2009, 12:36:39 am
Hate is a strong word, man! That Molotov Cocktail is the only one that I could see anyone hating, and even then you'd need to expend actual mental energy on something that looks hosted by Comic Genesis.

Unshelved is basically Library Dilbert, but I just checked the most recent few and found this insane strip (http://www.unshelved.com/archive.aspx?strip=20091116), so.

I can't go down this road with you, rowboat. I'm not ready yet.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: oball on November 18, 2009, 12:43:37 am
See the thing about webcomics is that if you hate them, you don't have to read them.

I mean unless you regularly find yourself strapped into some sort of Ludovicoesque setup and forced to read the archives of User Friendly I don't see what the point of making a list is.


Also taking down stuff from other people's cubicles is kind of a dick move, no matter how much it offends your sense of humour.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: smick on November 18, 2009, 02:43:47 am
User Friendly (http://www.userfriendly.org/)

I just went "Holy shit!  That's still around?!"  I think it is high hilarity that I coudn't find a "previous comic" link, that is standard to all web comics.   Then, when I figured out how to go to yesterday's comic, the navigation layout flipped me off, and vanished.

Oh, Linux geeks.   "What's so frakkin' difficult about 'nohup screen -rdU $1 > &' anyway?" indeed.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: pmcd9 on November 18, 2009, 03:27:49 am
Man, that website is brain damaged.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: dejavroom on November 18, 2009, 10:27:17 am
My disgust at PBF is well documented elsewhere for me to reiterate it here, I think. Still: Ugh.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: rowboat on November 18, 2009, 05:41:19 pm
I like Dinosaur Comics (I just bought another t-shirt today, actually) but I can see how some would question if it's really a comic. I find the comparison to a sonnet to be apt.
Yeah. A sonnet. I'll think about it that way. I know it's a good read. I just have to get past the whole "no comic art" hurdle.

Aw, what's so awful about Unshelved?
I'll let Chump Change answer that one for you:
Unshelved is basically Library Dilbert

See the thing about webcomics is that if you hate them, you don't have to read them.
Yes, but it's always more interesting to discuss shit that you hate, no? I mean, you can jaw about shit you love all day and that's fine, but what really makes you feel better in the end? I'll take hate's great release over love's fleeting warm fuzziness (in regards to discussing webcomics, I mean - as far as actual things that really exist go, I'll take fuzzy, lovey shit everytime. But these ain't real things that actually exist. These are comics. On the internet. Most of which are just screaming out to be hated).

Also taking down stuff from other people's cubicles is kind of a dick move, no matter how much it offends your sense of humour.
That was a joke. I actually just kind of spit on them a little bit and continue on my way.

My disgust at PBF is well documented elsewhere for me to reiterate it here, I think. Still: Ugh.
What is this disgust based on? Just curious. For all I know you're kidding. Or maybe it offends or depresses you. I think it's second only to Achewood in Complete Non-Suckitude.

Aaaaaand I've already lost two cans since starting this thread. So rap battles get you cans (even ones in which you get your ever-lovin' ass handed to you) and dissing webcomics will get them stripped from you. Noted.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: jay-ell on November 18, 2009, 05:52:41 pm
Aaaaaand I've already lost two cans since starting this thread. So rap battles get you cans (even ones in which you get your ever-lovin' ass handed to you) and dissing webcomics will get them stripped from you. Noted.

I love it when people pay attention to the unspoken rules.

It makes me feel all warm in my tummy.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: dejavroom on November 18, 2009, 06:06:22 pm
Rowboat: Well, I gave you a can for thoroughness (also for spitting on your enemies. Flamboyant villainy is back on the menu, bitches).

Regarding PBF: Its premises are lazy (http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF030-Hey_Goat.gif), its resolutions are artificial (http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF243-The_Shrink_Ray.gif) (trying to be "mean" just for the sake of being "mean" (http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF027-Suck_Note.gif)). Some punchlines (http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF034-Space_Disaster.jpg) can't punch their way out of a paper bag (http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF021-Skeleton_Clown.gif). The art is consistently great, and there's the occasional gem (http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF111-Reset.jpg), but they're very opaque gems, and can only be called gems when compared to the rest of the mediocre output. Except this one which is pretty fuck*ng great. (http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF045-Wise_Shitashi.jpg)
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: JorgeFabregas on November 18, 2009, 06:12:07 pm
Most of your links are to random PBF strips. Are you assuming that random strips will demonstrate your specific points or was that accidental?
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: dejavroom on November 18, 2009, 06:13:36 pm
Fixed!
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: rowboat on November 18, 2009, 06:29:14 pm
Regarding PBF....
Well, man, I think we just expect different things from it. I think that's the divide, and that's OK. Maybe if I analyzed it to the same degree the cracks would start to appear to me, too. But as it is, my attraction to PBF is very visceral and I don't think there's a single one that I don't at least crack a smile to. Most of them just completely mesmerize me.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: rowboat on November 18, 2009, 06:35:36 pm
One more thing, deja - are you or were you a fan of The Far Side? If the answer is "no," I'll say no more. But I really can't imagine how someone who did/does enjoy Larson's work could not find a lot to like about PBF. It's basically The Far Side on PCP.

Well, now that I've written that it dawns on me that one thing missing from PBF in regards to Far Side comparisons is subtlety. I guess I could see that.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: dejavroom on November 18, 2009, 06:36:15 pm
Hey, you asked ^^


I'll have to come back to you on The Far Side, though. Was that a TV show?

(Wikipedia tells me that it isn't. It seems some investigation is in order.

By the way, are you familiar with that old battlehoss, The Parking Lot Is Full? IIRC, it was a bit on this PBF vibe [only, I remember it fondly]).
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: rowboat on November 18, 2009, 06:47:50 pm
I'll have to come back to you on The Far Side. Was that a TV show?
This absolutely should in no way be taken as an insult, but you're not from around "here," are you? Please do yourself a favor and investigate. It is indisputably among the best comics ever to be released in any medium and from any time in history. It's nothing short of genius and very consistently so.

(Oh, wow, it's so awesome to have the chance to maybe turn someone on to The Far Side. That hasn't happened since, like, the third grade!)

P.S. I will check out Parking Lot is Full.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: jay-ell on November 18, 2009, 06:52:50 pm
This absolutely should in no way be taken as an insult, but you're not from around "here," are you? Please do yourself a favor and investigate. It is indisputably among the best comics ever to be released in any medium and from any time in history. It's nothing short of genius and very consistently so.

(Oh, wow, it's so awesome to have the chance to maybe turn someone on to The Far Side. That hasn't happened since, like, the third grade!)

Deja is Brazilian - hence the slight culture gap.

You fooled another one into thinking you're a native English speaker, Deja! How does that feel?
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: wombat on November 18, 2009, 06:58:47 pm
Aw, what's so awful about Unshelved?
Unshelved is basically Library Dilbert

I confess I still read Dilbert. Only because it's right there easy to find in the newspaper - I wouldn't go out of my way to find it. But I still read it.

There's not much competition as far as workplace humor I guess. You'd think it would be a rich vein to mine.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: dejavroom on November 18, 2009, 07:02:34 pm
You fooled another one into thinking you're a native English speaker, Deja! How does that feel?

Villainous. *twiddles thumbs like a motherfucker*
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: dejavroom on November 18, 2009, 07:40:47 pm
Oh man, back in the day Dilbert was ace. Some of the best deranged concepts (Floyd the remora) and similes ("he dresses like a flood refugee") ever...
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Mr Trout on November 18, 2009, 07:43:45 pm
Old Dilbert was indeed very funny. I still get a chuckle thinking about the one character rationalizing never washing his bathtowel:

"When I get out of the shower I am the cleanest thing in my house. Therefore, my towel can only get cleaner each time I use it."
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Chump Change on November 18, 2009, 08:41:07 pm
Old Dilbert was good. Old Unshelved was good too.

But both strips are now phoning it in and (successfully) coasting on familiar tropes and niche appeal.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: rowboat on November 18, 2009, 09:19:28 pm
Old Dilbert was good. Old Unshelved was good too.
OK. I'll concede that old Dilbert was pretty OK by newspaper standards (not sayin' much, but whatever). But let me say this again - I work in a library. You have no idea how much of Unshelved I have been exposed to. Trust me, I fuck-ing hate it. I'm not guessing on this.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: rowboat on November 18, 2009, 09:26:35 pm
Totally off-topic, but let me ask - I once noticed that someone (I think jay-ell) used some kind of bbcode to get around some of these filters. What is that? For example, she was able to say A I U without spacing the letters or having it end up as Shithead. I think she just did it like A[some bb tage]I[/some bb tag]U and it showed up just as it should.

It's Help a Noob Day. Help a Noob. These fuck*ng filters are for the giraffes.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Mr Trout on November 18, 2009, 09:27:51 pm
?
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: rowboat on November 18, 2009, 09:29:21 pm
fish
Fucking thank you.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: dejavroom on November 18, 2009, 11:02:04 pm
Also: Just like Onstad, Scott Adams isn't what you would call a... resourceful artist, and yet he shows great sense for design. He hit it pretty big with Dogbert's design (among others), like Onstad did, I think, with Philippe. Few, clean lines, instantly recalled; simply classic.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: rowboat on November 18, 2009, 11:10:49 pm
Also: Just like Onstad, Scott Adams isn't what you would call a... resourceful artist, and yet he shows great sense for design. He hit it pretty big with Dogbert's design (among others), like Onstad did, I think, with Philippe. Few, clean lines, instantly recalled; simply classic.
Oh, I'm fine with Adams' art. It's the humor that leaves me wanting more.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: smick on November 18, 2009, 11:52:48 pm
I worked for a software support outsourcing company in the mid to late 90s.

I stopped reading Dilbert, as I could start tacking them up on my cube wall until they became a complex suicide note so perfect that no one could blame me.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: oball on November 18, 2009, 11:57:26 pm
I'll have to come back to you on The Far Side, though. Was that a TV show?

You don't know the power of The Far Side?


I know this topic has already been covered, I just wanted to make that joke
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: miles on November 19, 2009, 04:12:01 am
It's basically The Far Side on PCP.

I had this thought while going through the PBF archive. Well, it was like, "this is kind of like The Far Side, but fucked up"
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: pmcd9 on November 19, 2009, 04:39:54 am
I liken PBF more to Charles Addams.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Chump Change on November 21, 2009, 08:12:23 am
So, uh, this seems like an appropriate thread for Comic Strip Club.

Holy shit (http://comicstripclub.com/?p=201).
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: linnea on November 21, 2009, 08:57:38 pm
Unshelved (http://www.unshelved.com/) (I work for the library, so I'm faced with these every day. Someone always has one hanging on his or her cubicle. I have this thing I do where I take them down.)

Irregular Webcomic (http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/)

Yehuda Moon (http://www.yehudamoon.com/index.php?date=2009-11-17) (Thank you Fuck you, Smick.)

Molotov Cocktail (http://molotovcocktail.comicgenesis.com/) (Terrible art and comic sans dialogue.)

User Friendly (http://www.userfriendly.org/)

And...

Webcomics which everyone seems crazy about which I find to be so-so at best:

XKCD (http://xkcd.com/)

Penny Arcade (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/) (I'll concede that it's a little funny occasionally, but the art is just ridiculously annoying. It belongs on greeting cards for children or something.)

Dinosaur Comics (http://www.qwantz.com/index.php) (Often funny, but I will never consider it an actual comic for obvious reasons. It's not a funny comic. It's a funny....something else.)

Hahah rb, that post was so snarky and peevish. Tiny can. I love it.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: rowboat on November 21, 2009, 09:24:27 pm
Hahah rb, that post was so snarky and peevish. Tiny can. I love it.
Yes, but what do you hate?
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: linnea on November 21, 2009, 10:41:48 pm
Yes, but what do you hate?

Ehh, I just un-bookmark comics after they've stopped being funny. If I don't have it bookmarked, it's pretty much dead to me. I can't think of one that annoys me off the top of my head.

I used to read SMBC, Bruno, Diesel Sweeties, PBF, Octopus Pie, Scary-Go-Round, etc. I think some of those comics don't even publish anymore.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Carlos del Vaca on December 11, 2009, 02:44:08 pm
Apparently many of you hate Penny Arcade, but for those who don't:  can anyone explain this post (http://www.penny-arcade.com/2009/12/9/we-thought-it-would-be-mummies/) to me?  Don' get it.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Dexter on December 11, 2009, 03:56:17 pm
Apparently many of you hate Penny Arcade, but for those who don't:  can anyone explain this post (http://www.penny-arcade.com/2009/12/9/we-thought-it-would-be-mummies/) to me?  Don' get it.
They're referring to this (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/10/12/) strip.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Toaster on December 13, 2009, 10:09:13 pm
Man, I've got half a mind to write my own bombastic novel series about a human falling in love with a supernatural creature. That is where the money is. Except I'd make mine ridiculous on purpose, instead of accidentaly.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Chump Change on December 13, 2009, 10:22:09 pm
I've been thinking of writing a novel about a vampire who is trying to live a normal life but is constantly pursued by crazy Twilight fans.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Toaster on December 13, 2009, 11:02:44 pm
Dude that would kick. (That means it would be awesome.)

Maybe he could fall in love with a girl who doesn't give a shit about Twilight and reads Real Books.


SPOILERS AHEAD FOR GROSSE POINT BLANKK AND AMERICAN PSYCHO










Maybe she thinks he's kidding when he says he's a vampire, like how nobody believed Martin Blank in Grosse Point Blank, or how nobody listened to Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Toaster on December 16, 2009, 05:39:52 pm
Oh shit, two days later and I realized that I accidentally spoiled Groose Point Blank and american Psycho. Shit. I'll put that shit in spoiler tags.

Wait, do we even have spoiler tags?

It appears that we don't.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Choop on December 16, 2009, 06:01:02 pm
if anybody hasn't seen those fillums yet it's on them, ain't like we're talkin about avatar or the dexter finale
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Mr Trout on December 16, 2009, 06:20:30 pm
We should talk about the Dexter finale though 'cause that shit really caught me by surprise. Now we have to wait a year for new episodes? FML
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: jay-ell on December 16, 2009, 07:05:05 pm
You can make your own spoiler tag by changing the text color to "beige."

See?

Works like a charm.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Mr Trout on December 16, 2009, 07:57:15 pm
^^ Thanks!

Dexter finale spoiler:

edit: gotta make a post so that I get the lighter-colored background in order to properly hide the spoiler.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Mr Trout on December 16, 2009, 08:00:29 pm
Much Better.

I think that killing Rita will be better for the show overall, since her character wasn't really going anywhere. All she turned into was just someone to get in Dexter's way and be annoying. That said, I did get a little emotional when that scene happened, just because I knew how much it was affecting Dexter. Also, it made Trinity's death that much better, since you know that all he was thinking about was Dexter finding his wife.

I'm curious how they are going to handle the kids now. I don't really see them continuing to live with Dexter. Maybe they will go with Rita's Parents?
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: bluemoon72 on December 16, 2009, 08:02:19 pm
Yeah, what's the hex code for "dove gray"?  I'd post it in both font colors and then immediately delete the visible one. 
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: jaydub on December 16, 2009, 08:05:47 pm
Beige is always the background color, even in the gray boxes.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: bluemoon72 on December 16, 2009, 08:22:43 pm
Beige is always the background color, even in the gray boxes.

You didn't see his first attempt, then.  It was kinda funny.  Beige letters clearly visible on the darker gray background.
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: jaydub on December 16, 2009, 10:22:14 pm
Hur?  The world doesn't work the way I think it does?
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: jay-ell on December 17, 2009, 03:20:59 pm
I can't find it in the HTML source, maybe an admin can go in to the settings and find out?
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: Choop on December 17, 2009, 03:43:53 pm
the lighter gray is #eeeeee

the darker gray is #dddddd

this post brought to you by science
Title: Re: Webcomics I have hated (and continue to hate)
Post by: jay-ell on December 17, 2009, 03:48:36 pm
the choop is #CANNED

for science