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Trivial Pursuits => Wild Card => Topic started by: theinevitable on July 27, 2010, 07:33:01 pm
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will people think I'm a loser if I wear a tie-clip? I like them so much, for some reason.
also: where do you buy dress shirts that do not cost 2 million dollars? I feel like I need more than 2. At least, eventually.
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will people think I'm a loser if I wear a tie-clip? I like them so much, for some reason.
also: where do you buy dress shirts that do not cost 2 million dollars? I feel like I need more than 2. At least, eventually.
No. Tie clips are functional and always in style. Tie clips themselves can run in price like cuff links from really cheap to jewelry class. If you want dress shirts, there are almost always sales going on at the major chains. Around here its Mens Warehouse, Jos A Banks, or sign up for the e-mail lists of the better places like Brooks Brothers and you'll get tipped off to 2 for 1 for 3 for 1 deals. All of these places will have tailors who can find your perfect size and cut for free in like 2 minutes.
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if you're wearing a tie you need to be wearing a jacket too, or else you look like a waiter.
until you get those coupons in your inbox check out discount stores like ross and tj maxx, most of the shirts there will be good for at least one wearing; just check that they have no holes or stains between the unwrapping and the donning.
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Most important thing when shopping for deals is to know your size up front. A well-fitting cheap shirt looks a million times better than an ill-fitting premium one.
Go to some nice stores, Brooks Bros., Nordstrom, Saks. Start browsing the shirts and you will have a salesman ask you if you need help in a few minutes. Say you're not too sure about your size and they will measure you. Try on some shirts to see what you like. After you get a good feel for what a nice fitting shirt feels like go deal hunting at the discount stores.
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is Choop right about the jacket thing?
The only jacket I have is a "sports coat" of a type I don't think adult men wear. (big fake-gold buttons)
I am pretty sure I have some sort of "membership" thing where I save money for every # I spend at Men's Wearhouse. I will check that out.
Watch: I have my dad's really nice watch from the 1980s, but it needs a new battery. it is pretty 80s/retro-futuristic looking. It is a Movado.
I have one really nice one (or at least it seems "really nice" compared to my Gap shirts) that is my size according to the guys at Nordstroms, but it is still kind of baggy around the body. I think I just need to eat more/work out. My girlfriend says I look like I have lost weight since I have been living alone, and that seems likely, as no one is pouring oil into my food anymore.
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Jackets have become much more popular in recent years so there is now a wide selection of jackets that can be worn with anything from Jeans to dress #####. I personally suggest a darker grey or lightly striped jacket to start with. These will run you less than $200 but pay dividends for years. Yes you need jackets. Jackets pay off more than suits.
Watches have fallen out of favor because we can all see what time it is on our cell phones. Watches are therefore non-functional pieces of jewelry. Older guys look at watches and shoes on first impressions, but our generation doesn't really give a shit. Your movado likely fits your body type, but would look ridiculous on me. I wear an enormous breitling because it fits me, but I don't wear it to work.
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Oh, Kohl's can treat you OK for a non-premium but decent shirt. You got some of them out there as well.
Absolutely Kohl's. Pedro gets all his work clothes there -- and he has a Real Job in an Office, and everything. The shirts won't last forever, but they'll be good for a couple of years, and you're likely to change sizes by the time they wear out anyway. Dry them on low to keep them looking decent for as long as possible (or, better yet, line-dry and then iron them, unless you hate ironing as much as I do).
Pedro wears shirts and ties without jackets, but then, he works at a place where his manager wears jeans on a daily basis. And he wears khakis, not black pa
Black pa
khakis + blue shirt + subdued tie = young professional
IMHO, YMMV.
He wears ties to work because he's kind of youngish (compared to most of the people at his level) and wants to be taken seriously. My dad gave him this advice, and it seems to have worked out for him. His friends tease him, of course, but he has also been invited to a lot of meetings with people much, much higher up than he is because they are Interested in his Ideas, so maybe there's something to it.
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Inev take that blazer and stash it in a safe place like a box marked "Halloween" somewhere. Never wear that thing anywhere except as a joke.
Stick with two or three buttons on your jacket, more than that went out in '02. Every man should have a suit in black, navy, and gray; they should not all be solid nor all pinstriped. Select your ensemble depending on the purpose of wearing it; a job interview at a large, old company requires a suit and tie, whereas a smaller company might be impressed if you show up in (say) jeans, white dress shirt, navy jacket, and bold pocket square. Jackets that aren't part of a suit are great too, but don't try to match ##### to them because that'll never work.
The only suitable shoe to wear with a suit is a lace-up dress shoe, wing-tipped or not. And always remember the cardinal rule: Socks match ##### not shoes - socks that match your shoes makes you look like you're wearing boots. Matching socks to shirt or tie or square is such an advanced technique that most of us don't bother to try for fear of failing.
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yeah, a lot of men's watches look huge on me.
I like this jacket idea. I have kind of always wanted one.
Kohl's has already proven itself to me by having Levis for cheaper than anyplace else I looked.
damn, my best outfit is definitely black ##### + white shirt. My ties are not wacky, though. My dad thinks they look "old fashioned," which means they are stylish in my opinion. Navy blue, bright orange, green/aqua striped, light green, very skinny dark green. And one old crappy one that I like but would not wear when I wanted to be taken seriously (it is the one in my facebook picture, but you can't tell in the picture that it cost 3$ at goodwill. it is kind of fuzzy with wear.)
I have a pair of khaki ##### that my dad says are not dressy enough. I can't decide what this means, because I am not applying to be president of a financial company, I am applying to do data entry. He says they aren't dressy because they don't have a crease.
today, my best friend is coming into town for a week or so. Not sure whether he will want to sleep on the couch, or on a bed that I don't have sheets for. Either way, I need to recycle a lot of beer bottles that are lining every surface of my apartment.
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pleats: don't let them happen to you
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Which is weird because pleats started appearing more with the popularity of the cell phone. Since the whole point of a pleat is to help mask things in your pockets.
I'd heard your socks should be in between your ##### and shoes to blend them. Oh, and shoes should match belt in both color and material.
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Which is weird because pleats started appearing more with the popularity of the cell phone. Since the whole point of a pleat is to help mask things in your pockets.
I thought the point of pleats was to help mask wood in your jockeys.
But they are not flattering, especially on skinny guys. Go flat front.
And I think your dad is right about the crease. The fact that they're khaki doesn't matter, it's how they fit. If they're cut like jeans, they're too casual for most offices.
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if they're cut like khakis, they're too casual for an interview at an office. slacks cut like jeans are a perfect match for a shirt and jacket.
also: if the shirt has buttons on the collar, don't wear it without a tie, and change out of it before sunset. better to avoid them altogether.
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Pleats look bad on everyone, and this deserves its own thread.
(Wombat is MAD WITH POWER.)
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I love it when Wombat goes mad with power. It makes me feel safe and warm, just like I did when Jough ruled the board with a strong pimp hand.
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They want to promote Wombat to assistant manager at her part time job. She's practicing being bossy.
But seriously, no pleats.
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I would never wear pleats.
I used to hate shirts with button-down collars, and now I think I have come to peace with them. Not in a formal setting, though, like... plaid shirts. Plaid shirts with button-down collar.
this guy (drunkenly) stole my short-sleeve plaid shirt, and I want it back so much. It has been well over a year, so I guess I'm never seeing it again.
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On the nature of jackets I will say it varies hugely depending on venue. I like wearing jackets and I like wearing suits but the general dress code at most places I've worked is long sleeve shirt and tie sans jacket, often with the shirt sleeves rolled to just below the elbows in summer. Even the consultants at my hospital dress like this, though the full suits do tend to get broken out for meetings or important events. This is probably partly because it's hot as hell around here so a jacket is less of a good idea.
Anyway point being, you can look classy without a jacket, especially if you stick to tans and browns.
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Maybe I'm old school, or whatever you kids are calling it. Maybe I'm just old. Hell, I don't know. All I know is the tie comes off before the jacket. And cuffed ##### are for teenagers who don't know any better and crusty old southern fools who ought to.
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which reminds me, why isn't *****_god in here posting about how he only wears jumpsuits made of that astronaut cloth.
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this is good stuff to know. im filing it away in the memory banks , for real. i am studying for a profession that mostly takes place in an office-type setting, therefore, i will have to invest in work clothes that are not steel-toe boots/work #####/a t-shirt that i dont mind sweating in and getting dirty.
its going to blow my mind not hearing nigger jokes every day(although those attitudes/ideas can be found in every sort of work place).
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its going to blow my mind not hearing n***** jokes every day(although those attitudes/ideas can be found in every sort of work place).
They tell the same jokes in offices, except they use the word "African-American." That's how you can tell the racists went to college.
Have you heard of the phenomenon (it might just be in the southeast) of teenagers calling black people "Canadian?"
Pedro was in a fast-food place one day and a black family walked in, and a table full of white teenage fucktards started talking loudly about how much they hate Canadians, go back to Canada, etc. Nobody else flinched, but Pedro, who was already aware of this bizarre phenomenon, was so disgusted he walked up to their table and called them out on it.
I don't know what the hell is wrong with people. Our county is 20% black and 8% other minorities; how do you go to school in a racially-diverse community and still think it's OK to be a bigoted piece of shit?
Sorry. End of rant.
This thread is making me think that Pedro needs some jackets.
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That's the first I heard of that one. I should start calling myself African American just to confuse the situation all the more.
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If someone told that kind of joke where I work, they would be branded as some kind of classless troglodyte. That person would be invited to less meetings and insulated from clients. So I guess it is not acceptable in every work space.
If someone wore pleats, they would be branded as someone who has somehow managed to ignore every bit of male fashion in the past 10 years and therefore unprofessional. Yes, knowing how to dress yourself is part of being professional.
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True, but A-Cap, you work in a place where you interact directly with customers. Most of the people at Pedro's company don't. And most of the people in his division are programmers and statisticians, so the ability to function socially within a group cannot be assumed.
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Man, I am so glad that the dress code at my office is basically jeans and golf shirts. We don't even technically need to wear collared shirts at all due to poor wording in the dress code but most people do Mon-Thurs. And most employees seem to think the "no shirts with logos or writing" rule doesn't apply if the Redskins play that night. Or won the night before.
Also: would clothing questions in actual Trivial Pursuit be in WC or Sports & Leisure?
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fashion is an art, but style is a science. tossup.
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I think I like dress shirts with jeans. I think I need to work more of that into Pedro's weekend wardrobe this fall.
(Yes, I dress my spouse. He is color-blind in all the ways that matter and even more fashion handicapped than I am.)
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Fuck all you corporate slaves and your silly assed dress codes. I am working in my office right now and I am literally naked. In a little while I might put on some shorts and a tshirt.
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Oh man. This is a topic that strikes at my being with mantis style like attacks.
I've been trying to move out of dressing like a 13 year old. Typical dress for me is a T-shirt, jeans, and sneakers.
I'm phasing out any T-shirt with a slogan or something "funny" on it.
I've also been reading http://putthison.com/, which is pretty much the most inspiring thing ever.
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my everyday uniform:
either cutoff jeans or this one pair of plain grey shorts I bought. t-shirt for a band or something. maybe just plain stripes. high-top nikes.
so yeah, I dress like a 13 year old most of the time.
normally I wear jeans instead of shorts, but it is really hot out.
I really, really want to buy this shirt. (http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=RUMB-TREAD&Category_Code=RUMB)
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Typical dress for me is a T-shirt, jeans, and sneakers.
Me too, and I have no plans to change.
Now that they make lots of shirts with funny things on them in the babydoll style, which looks like women's clothes, I feel like I'm dressed so much more appropriatelythan when I was younger. So I think it's pretty clear, at my age, that this is as grownup as my wardrobe is ever going to get.
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Hey Paul! It isn't just work I dress for, y'know. I go to grown up places and do grown up things outside of work and clothes are required there as well.
You can't service all of life in cargo shorts and a funny t-shirt.
I can dress up or down, but on my own terms not according to bunch of assholish fashion dictates.
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my standard uniform is shorts and a t-shirt with flip flops or sneakers.
but then, i work from home and videoconference across the country. i have hats for when i oversleep.
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Nice link, smick, and a good goal.
Hey Paul! It isn't just work I dress for, y'know. I go to grown up places and do grown up things outside of work and clothes are required there as well.
You can't service all of life in cargo shorts and a funny t-shirt.
Yeah, but you can easily give too much of a shit about how you dress or god forbid what jewelry you wear. I'm looking at you, watch boys.
Solid dress shirt (white or blue), grey dress #####, tie. Suit on days I go to court or if dress ##### aren't clean. Fuck thinking about it any more than that.
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I like dressing like a modern man who works for a living. Maybe its just my social circle or the popularity of Mad Men, but the retrosexual professional style is a welcomed development all around. The 24 year old who takes the time to take care of himself and his appearance comes out ahead of the 35 year old who just says "whatever" in the morning and rolls into work wearing whatever was clean that day. The internet-age casual attitude gives to taking one's self and occupation with less respect than it deserves. I would feel awkward running financial analysis in the same clothes I wear watching baseball. Its a state of mind thing for me at least.
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Then why don't you talk about how you do that in a How To Dress thread instead of just calling us all asshole slaves?
Whatever, you rock on your working naked self.
At first I was just bragging that I didn't have to spend my days around a bunch of [deleted] that judge others by their appearance, but I was also giving advice. This is a thread about giving clothing advice. And this is it; don't be a slave, dress how you like and not concern yourself with what [deleted] people might think about it.
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I felt bad today rolling out to the car and touching my unshaven face. True, my workplace has no official dress code for scientists, but damnit - a fellow's got to have standards!
Not worth missing the train over though.
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My standard uniform -- and by the way, these are much harder to accomplish for women than men -- is a fitted, solid-color t-shirt (cut for a lady) and yoga ##### in brown, black, navy, or gray. In the summer, I may substitute a plain, knee-length knit skirt (never shorts); in the winter, I may layer a long-sleeved shirt under the short-sleeved one or add a cardigan or pullover in a variety of colors. I shop almost exclusively at Old Navy because they offer cheap basics that are comfortable and offer maximum range of movement for wrestling with kids.
I wear jeans on dates with Pedro, but yoga ##### are my go-to, mainly because my waistline has changed shape and size drastically seven times over the last six years (what with weight gain, weight loss, and two pregnancies) and I don't have to worry about whether or not they're going to fit this week, no matter how my weight fluctuates. When I get to a size I plan to stay at a while -- now that I'm done with pregnancies -- I'll probably buy more fitted #####, but until I hit the 135-140 range I'm not going to make any more clothing investments. I'm only 10 - 15 lbs away from that, so I give myself a year at most before I'm back to being what passes for smokin' hot in this house. (Just in time for Judy's trip stateside? Hope so.)
For dress-up occasions, I have maybe a dozen dresses, eight or so nice dressy tops and dress ##### in brown, black, navy, and gray. I have few skirts with patterns and prints but I don't wear them much. I have a lot of clothes, but most of them are "just in case." I've gotten more wear out of my boobie shirts and trousers since we re-instituted a biweekly date night.
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I've also been reading http://putthison.com/, which is pretty much the most inspiring thing ever.
I dunno, some of the stuff on there...first, it's exclusively professional-man oriented, which is fine if you're a professional man, I guess. But mainly, it seems a little snobby about brands, and makes me feel like if I want to dress Pedro well at all I'm going to get a full-time job to support his wardrobe.
What I really need is a website that says, "Wear this ---> not that --->." You know, like the food book. I need something that says, "If you wear t-shirts all the time because they disguise your post-baby belly fat, you'd probably also like [insert fashionable alternative here].
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Last month my cousin's kid was in town and we got into an argument because he only buys golf shirts with a logo on the chest and I only buy those without. He wants everybody to know exactly what brand shirt he has on whereas I avoid certain brands (North Face, I'm looking at you) for exactly that reason.
Of course I have no problem advertising bands/webcomics on my chest because I actively like those as opposed to them being the brand of shirt that was on sale, in my size, and not a color I already own.
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This raises a really monumental question in my mind. Do you mean to say that people like your cousin like shirt brands in exactly the same way that you and I like comics and bands?
When I put it that way the answer is obvious, I guess, but it's truly mindboggling. I guess I must have always assumed that the people whose clothes had logos were sad dupes of the clothing company, that they had kind of been forced to wear that shirt and advertise the company because they couldn't find one without a logo that fit and was on sale and not in a color they already own.
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FINE! I put on some #####, are you happy now?
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Only if you promise they're bullfighter togs.
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which reminds me, why isn't *****_god in here posting about how he only wears jumpsuits made of that astronaut cloth.
You're pretty close, nowadays I only wear neon-yellow which in my mind is the color of the future.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs529.snc3/30070_129587980390619_100000182523783_380456_1979697_n.jpg)
The only problem is that if you wear neon-yellow in the day, it tends to attract insects like crazy.
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Last month my cousin's kid was in town and we got into an argument because he only buys golf shirts with a logo on the chest and I only buy those without. He wants everybody to know exactly what brand shirt he has on whereas I avoid certain brands (North Face, I'm looking at you) for exactly that reason.
My parents did not understand this for the longest time. They finally got it right when they stopped buying me clothes.
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I dunno, some of the stuff on there...first, it's exclusively professional-man oriented, which is fine if you're a professional man, I guess. But mainly, it seems a little snobby about brands, and makes me feel like if I want to dress Pedro well at all I'm going to get a full-time job to support his wardrobe.
Well, it's a men's sartorial blog... so not a whole lot of ladyplay to take place.
I've always read the author's brand snobbery as coming more from a place of quality, than fashion. Jesse tends to highlight items that will last a while. An Old Navy jean, will not last as long as a Levi, will not last as long as some of the raw denim options. That's also why he tends to have a preoccupation with posting links to eBay vintage auctions.
Some of his advice though is magnificent:
Wedding Attire for Grooms: http://putthison.com/post/334425916/weddingattireformen - This is pretty much gold made text.
Hats and Douches: http://putthison.com/post/365446401/hatsdouchesanddorks - Man, when I was a young idiot, the dream was to eventually get a fedora AND a duster. WHAT COULD LOOK fuck*ng COOLER THAN THAT?!
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Wedding Attire for Grooms: http://putthison.com/post/334425916/weddingattireformen - This is pretty much gold made text.
Morning dress FTW.
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I need a fuck*ng Panama hat, STAT - and not one of those fake ones without give, but the real deal that you can fold and roll and stuff in your pocket.
I used to only wear Levi's jeans until I realized that it wasn't myself that made me look frumpy but my jeans. The next week I bought a couple pair of Lucky Brand that I thought looked good and I still have them over a year later. Levi's record without tearing was about nine months, and another three months before they were shredded beyond what modesty allows. These Lucky Brand jeans? Not a tear yet (though my cellphone pocket is wearing thin in one pair). Old Navy can kiss my skinny white ass.
(how the hell does it happen that my ass stays skinny though i've got a serious case of Dunlop? how does that make sense?)
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If a light blue dress shirt and some dark blue slacks from the JCPenneys Big and Tall catalogue ain't good enough for a place, that place ain't worth a damn to me.
My head is already chock full of political conspiracy theories and parody songs and baseball statistics and the powers of minor side-characters in The X-Men.
I mean, if you need to know what kind of cuff links are non-gauche for a fox hunt or for eating lark's tongue in aspic, you go do that and have fun.
But the kind of stuff you gotta dress like that for, I don't enjoy things like that anyway so we're even.
I dress up for weddings, funerals and to get into exclusive magicians' performance lairs. That's it.
Die, get married or learn some really good close-up magic if you want me in a tie.
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(how the hell does it happen that my ass stays skinny though i've got a serious case of Dunlop? how does that make sense?)
Beer? I'm pretty sure that I will be rail-thin the rest of my life, but if I'm not careful I start to get a gut that I'm sure would keep on growing if I let it, while the rest of my body would stay the same.
Lucky jeans are great quality for the money, and they have great sales too. They also sell a 37" inseam which is rare. Denim is the one piece of casual wear that I will spend a large premium on, since you usually get what you pay for (to a point).
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I need a fuck*ng Panama hat, STAT
Why you do not want a Panama hat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8ICwnEm_HA
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Sesame Street used to be so much better than it is now.
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I don't think we're talking out of blind nostalgia here, I think you're absolutely right.
It used to be this... collage of experimental films perfunctorally framed by puppets telling kids how to spell.
It now seems to be this thing that sells dolls that liberal parents are slightly less ashamed of buying for their children. Some dick named Elmo hosts it.
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Actually, it's hosted by a red fuzzy thing named Murray, and they've gone to a format that includes a rotation of longer segments with more complex storylines. Elmo's there a lot, yeah, but Ernie, Cookie Monster, The Count, Grover, and Oscar all still feature prominently. The celebrity guests are also a lot of fun (Neil Patrick Harris as the Shoe Fairy? Yes, please).
When was the last time you saw an episode of Sesame Street, honestly? 'Cause I watch it several times a week with my kids. I have very fond memories of it from when I was a kid, and while the format has changed, they're commensurate with the changes in our educational system that now involve kids having homework in Kindergarten.
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According to that history of Sesame Street book I read they've also had to adapt to a younger demographic. When it started the average viewer was 5 or 6 but now the average viewer is 3 or 4. Hence the introduction of Elmo. Big Bird was originally intended as the viewers' avatar as he had the same basic mental faculties as a 5-year-old. But when younger kids started watching and older ones stopped they brought in Elmo to represent them.
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So what are the 5 and 6 year olds supposed to do?
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So what are the 5 and 6 year olds supposed to do?
...changes in our educational system that now involve kids having homework in Kindergarten.
are you even reading the thread.
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are you even reading the thread.
That doesn't mean they shouldn't have their own witty and entertaining educational TV show which doesn't talk down to them!
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well there is "According to Jim"
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So what are the 5 and 6 year olds supposed to do?
That's what this is for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5VUd7NCtjY (nsfw audio)
Personally, I like watching Handy Manny and Mickey penis clubhouse in the morning with breakfast and Wow Wow Wubbzy in the evening just before bedtime stories and lights out.
I never would have guessed. Do you read your own bedtime stories or does someone read them to you?
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In other news, I have a 50% off coupon good till Aug 1 at mens wearhouse if anyone wants it.
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they're commensurate with the changes in our educational system that now involve kids having homework in Kindergarten.
Okay.
We've finally solved the case of The Saddest Thing, then.
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My 8 year old still watches preschool TV. Since she's otherwise socially well adjusted I don't have much of a problem with this. If she's still doing it in high school I might begin to wonder.
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Speaking of age-inappropriate television, does anyone else watch Adventure Time (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/adventuretime/index.html#/video/episodeID=8a250ab029ea87ab0129ec71a4290075)? It's a cartoon about a boy and his magical dog, and they live in a whimsical world doing battle with monsters and zombies and witches. You can tell the creator has played a lot of DnD in his day.
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the original Adventure Time! short is one of my favorite things. I have not seen the new show.
except this (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/adventuretime/index.html#/video/episodeID=8a250ab029ea87ab0129ec71a4290075)
last night we watched the entire first season of Tim and Eric. So good. No nightmares, which was a pleasant surprise.
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the original Adventure Time! short is one of my favorite things.
Yeah! But the two new ones I've seen didn't impress me the way the original did. I'll give it another shot or two...
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So what are the 5 and 6 year olds supposed to do?
Between the Lions. Kid you not. It's a great show, comes on right after Sesame Street and focuses on literacy skills.
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last night we watched the entire first season of Tim and Eric. So good. No nightmares, which was a pleasant surprise.
...great job.
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Between the Lions. Kid you not. It's a great show, comes on right after Sesame Street and focuses on literacy skills.
That makes me feel a little better, I guess.
Still, we're a long way from the days when Sesame Street was cool enough to show this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ul7X5js1vE)
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They're a much more serious operation now. They get guests like Katie Couric (http://www.youtube.com/user/sesamestreet?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/60/JIAOk4sLZ7s) and Anderson Cooper (http://www.youtube.com/user/sesamestreet?blend=1&ob=4#p/search/0/lmuvPr0BlxE).
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Where's our resident thread historian? Didn't this start out in Hot Dogs (Formerly Tacos) or something?
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Thread historian? Ha ha, you deconstruct one thread and they throw a title at you.
I believe this thread started out with Philippe Standing on it.
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I believe this thread started out with Philippe Standing on it.
can'd
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I demand that you all watch Yo Gabba Gabba, even if you don't have small children.
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DJ Lance Rock is my co-pilot.
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I demand that you all watch Yo Gabba Gabba, even if you don't have small children.
I love DJ Lance. I had an awesome boss that looked like him, so I'm especially fond of him.
I tried to introduce this show to my friends with age appropriate children, but they all rejected it for whatever reason. I even got one of my god children a Brobee toy, but no dice. It drives me nuts that the one palatable thing I've encountered out there isn't catching on amoung my closest kidlets. Oh well.
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The exception I take to kids programming is that, these days, so much of the shows out there are intensly catered to very specific age brackets, without any more complex content that kids would either think on deeply or comprehend later in life. There's also a lack of content that can allow the overseeing adult to interact and engage on a deeper level. It is, to use the overused expression, a babysitter, rather than a tool of engagement.
When I think of the TV I most enjoyed at an early age ('70-'80 Sesamie Street and Reading Rainbow) those shows made connections to my world outside the flashing box, and made me want to figure things out. It never made me want to... you know, go to a toy store and buy something. In the end, I think Teletubbies and Tickle-Me-Elmo ruined children's TV. There's such a huge amount of that crap out there now. Then again, what did this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewalHF0T0GY) teach me?
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It taught you to count to three, and that ice cream and roller coasters are awesome.
My kids have been watching a lot of the Pinball Number Count, which makes me happy on many levels. Not the least of which is that my five year old can hit the high notes.
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OMG, I DESPISE SPONGEBOB.
That is all.
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I'm almost 20 and haven't been able to score a better job than a freaking cook at a local fast food joint. What makes it worse is that I live in a small town so business is pretty limited, and where I work is the only place that'll hire high school graduates. I'd get the hell out of this town if I could actually drive too, but I've failed every damn test I've ever taken. I'm socially awkward, even my only other co-worker *@!!ing hates my guts. I have repressed lust for one of my best friends too; she's athletic, smart and a gorgeous southern bell. I love her. You know what it's like; I've been friend zoned real hard. She's my only real friend, besides this one kid, who I'm pretty sure is only hanging around me because he is mentally challenged. I guess he's the only one that can tolerate me. And what makes this all worse is that I live in a freaking pineapple under the sea.
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there's always some room in life for Spongebob
Lately I keep getting in arguments where this is basically what I am saying.
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Any cartoon that gives Ernest Borgnine work is OK with me.
Haters.
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Interesting: I loved Sponge Bob when I was a stoner, but now I am indifferent to him, if somewhat annoyed.
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Then again, what did this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewalHF0T0GY) teach me?
Oh my god, I totally remember that. Nothing rules my unconscious like Sesame Street does. I still have dreams about the Teeny Little Super Guy.
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(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080808/sesame-street/rem_l.jpg)
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To bring this topic back around, I got some great shirts at Filenene;s basement today. It is tought to find 15+1/2 36 shirts slim fit on the rack in good fabric but they had them for $25. good deal if you ask me. nothing ekse to ad here but for some reason I want to? doggiraffehead 90 min. ipa is a great beer! I love it
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I know you've all seen this because you ALL read my blog, but
http://www.bigfool.com/foolblog/archive/2007_04.htm#000859
Also, see the red head being fed bread on his sled made of lead as he sped to be wed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei1DvIgW_PU&feature=related
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speaking of TV and such
this documentary
http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/episodes/2009/11/13/the-brains-of-babes-part-13-cd/
told me that educational software (I guess that could include TV shows) actually makes kids dumber, not smarter.
point being is that kids need dynamic and complex feedback based on their own behavior if they are to learn to develop that behavior into anything. Whereas, TV shows and educational software generally ain't that complex in their reactions to your kid. You're kid can smear poop on the keyboard and the software will still say "GOOD JOB!!!" same goes for these fuck!ng so-called interactive toys they make now.
I think the muppets are probably kinda somewhat exempt from this general rule, as that is a medium that really forces the viewer to use his or her imagination, kinda in the same way that a black and white photo can be more beautiful than the same photo in colour... when your brain is required to fill in the blanks in a complex and dynamic way, hey, your brain enjoys that. But that's damn tricky to do. I got a high-end digital SLR that can snap pictures so fast it winds up being a jerky video if I feed it all into an animated GIF, but all my pictures still look like shit. I ain't got no artistic sense. not when it comes to photography anyway.
here is more reading:
http://www.truth-out.org/how-disney-magic-and-corporate-media-shape-youth-identity-digital-age62008
I guess the above article is sort of relevant to the question of 'how to dress'
I don't have kids, but I have more and more friends with kids
I feel sorry for kids these days having to grow up in a TV landscape populated with the likes of Hannah Montanna. That shit is basically like, the result of too much hard core drugs. sesame street, back in the day, was cool. Then one day Oscar the Grouch started cooking meth in his trash can and that show hasn't been the same since.
Isn't there any decent stoner TV for kids to watch anymore these days? I mean, other than These guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-chP1z-lLnI)? ICP means well, but damn, they're a few bricks short of a load.
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What I enjoy about fashion these days is the Mad Men effect. There have been some clear improvements to structured garb for both men folk and women folk since this show took off. It is in direct contrast to the shitty patterned leggings trend that you see some ladies trotting out. I hate patterned leggings. It is like a lady woke up, put on ugly tights, then decided "what the hell, I'm not going to put on a skirt, I'll just cut off the ankles of these tights and wear them as if they are #####." No one looks good in patterned leggings, especially when there is no top pulled down to cover your fancy, patterned camel toe. This is something that needs to be made clear to all.
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Right now I am like all about buying knock off jerseys that get sent over on a boat from china wrapped incredibly tight and covered with customs stickers. Is so cheap! And they're usually nicer than the authentic jerseys and you always get HELL of compliments. I love getting complimented on my outfits.
I got a Mexican warm up soccer jersey, black with a neon yellow collar, pimp, and I'm ordering the Senegal full neon yellow kit, gonna be so good. I think I'm just gonna start googling "neon yellow [shit]" and just start going to town.
You wear some solid neon yellow in the city and the drunk girls love it and yell at you.
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Side Show--this effect is part of why I gave a shit enough to ask the questions that started this thread. I have always dug on some overly-formal clothes, and now I have an excuse.
I looked so good for some of my job interviews, damn.
Now I wear a uniform. At least it is a nice uniform... black ##### and a black "chef's coat" with our logo on it.
I, as someone else recently said, can't wait for fall clothes. Long #####, sweaters, plaid, peacoat/my nice light blue coat (there is a word for this kind of coat, I just dont' know what it is.) Also, the beard will return. I'm just gonna keep it shorter this time.
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I love fall & winter clothes. Sweaters, jeans, knee socks, boots -- oh, the boots! But especially being able to wear fall colors, crisp browns and greens and the occasional sapphire blue.
I wear long ##### year-round, so that doesn't change, but it at least gets more comfortable. And it doesn't get cold enough here to really require a coat until mid-December at the soonest, so a pullover on top of a layer or two of long-sleeved t-shirts is usually enough to venture outside in.
I think this year I'm going to invest in some tights so I can keep wearing skirts. This is a big branching out for me; heretofore, skirts have always been warm-weather wear.
Also, I want to knit myself one of these this fall: http://www.interweaveknits.com/galleries/bonus/fall-2010/elementary-vest.asp (http://www.interweaveknits.com/galleries/bonus/fall-2010/elementary-vest.asp) I saw the pattern in my knitting magazine, and I already have some yarn in my stash that will work for the contrast color. I just need to get 2 balls of the main color and 20 hours to knit and I'll be all set.
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I hate long sleeves. I hate them to hell. I spend much of the winter slightly chilly because I'd rather have my sleeves pushed up and be cold than actually have them down at my wrists annoying the hell out of me.
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I hate long sleeves. I hate them to hell. I spend much of the winter slightly chilly because I'd rather have my sleeves pushed up and be cold than actually have them down at my wrists annoying the hell out of me.
Amen, brother. Unless I'm wearing a jacket, those sleeves are rolled the fuck up. (When I know I need to wear a jacket the only jewelry I wear is cuff links)
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Yeah, I love fall clothes too. I suppose it's because of the opportunity to layer. That's rad. It's hard to put much work into summer style due to all the heat, plus any good summer clothes can be reinvented via layering for the fall and winter. There's just so much more versatility. I am a huge fan of wearing mary-janes over tights and a dress/skirt. I am a huge fan of mary janes in general. They. Are. Rad.
In regard to Mad Men style - they sure do have Peggy wearing some fug stuff this season. I'm wondering what is up with that. I suppose she is a career woman, and that somehow influences her to wear conservative clothes, which I guess are ugly clothes in the period. Interesting side note SPOILER ALERT: in the last episode, I recognized that lesbian hipster as a lesbian hipster on her first appearance. That is some quality styling. Will Peggy change teams? That would be rad. SPOILER ALERT OVER.
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"mad men" = Retrosexual
I (and everyone I surround myself with) am a huge supporter of the retrosexual movement. Men dress like men, women dress like women. And we all look respectable.
It is stupid that I can wear a casual pinstripe jacket and get in to any place in DC.
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Retrosexual is rad. I don't think it's a men/woman thing though. I've seen some rad retrosexual dikes (http://www.logotv.com/content/overdrive/images/serieslogos/120x80-nnn_cliks.jpg) in my day, and I think the Mad Men look is also an excellent inspiration to genderfuck (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=genderfuck) specifically because of the rigid gender identities associated. When I wear my flat panelled trousers, tailored white shirt and paisley tie, I do wear my make up extra girly 50's style, with the black eyeliner curled up in the corners, and perfectly painted lips. Sometimes I go so far as to finger wave my hair.
Gosh clothes are fun. Yep.
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"mad men" = Retrosexual
I (and everyone I surround myself with) am a huge supporter of the retrosexual movement. Men dress like men, women dress like women. And we all look respectable.
It is stupid that I can wear a casual pinstripe jacket and get in to any place in DC.
About two years ago we got into an argument with a bouncer at a bar in DC. It was July and about 150 degrees so naturally we all had shorts on. After dinner we walked into a random bar and sat down. We were the only customers. A few minutes later the bouncer (who I guess was in the can or something) said we had to leave because they don't allow shorts. We're like, "You're joking." And he says something about attracting a certain type of customer or whatever. So I say "So your preferred customer base is people too stupid to dress for the weather?" to which he had no response. He also couldn't explain to us why he was ejecting the only customers. I guess they were afraid people would see us in the window and think "hey, there are people in there having fun. Maybe we should also go inside and spend money."
I dress for the people I'm with, not the places I visit. I'll never willing give money to any venue with a dress code (other than safety-based. e.g., no flip-flops at the 9:30 Club). Of course I also only eat Chick Filet on Sundays.
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"mad men" = Retrosexual
I (and everyone I surround myself with) am a huge supporter of the retrosexual movement. Men dress like men, women dress like women. And we all look respectable.
It is stupid that I can wear a casual pinstripe jacket and get in to any place in DC.
The '60's: When men were men, and women were objects.
If I had to hearken back to the fashions of bygone days, I think I'd tend towards the 1940s. One look in particular, that is:
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4004/wecandoitposter1.jpg)
Talk about genderfuck. Just look at Rosie: she's dressed for work, expressing her capabilities and value to society, but she's not by any means masculine. Her hair is pinned up, but she's wearing mascara, and her brows are carefully groomed. Her features are set but not stern, and she is a powerful but ultimately feminine persona. No wonder this image caught on, much more so than the Norman Rockwell version of Rosie:
(http://www.humanitiesweb.org/gallery/192/8.jpg)
Rockwell's depiction, while arguably a more accurate representation of how factory women appeared during WWII,* did not have the same reassuring appeal of J Howard Miller's, and I would argue that the feminine appearance of the latter is the secret to its enduring success as a cultural icon.
*Of course, most newly-employed women during the war worked outside factories, and many of the factory women tended to be young unmarrieds fresh out of high school, so maybe Rockewell and Miller representations, along with the many photos of women of color (who were happy to leave behind domestic work for higher-paying factory jobs), should be taken together as a cross-section of the workforce at that time.
If anyone really wants to discuss this, which I doubt, we should probably split this thread, because this is tangential to my thesis topic, so I could literally go on like this forever.
TL;DR: men in suits are nice to look at but I'll take equal citizenship rights any day (I'm not holding my breath).
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Should we split? There is a lot of debate out there over what a retrosexual is (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?defid=873143&term=retrosexual). I found this LGBT shirt site that holds a totally different definition than the one AC is using. (http://www.zazzle.ca/gay_pride/gifts?cg=196423796228974101) Clearly Don Draper cares deeply about his appearance, but in a way very different than a meterosexual.
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I appreciate that you dudes and ladies dig all this but... man, I do not.
I dress for comfort.
I respect the minimum dress codes of a situation, of course, I'm not here to oppose rules that aren't harming anybody.
It just seems like so much unnecessary work.
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sounds more like "mehtrosexual" to me
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ladies and gentlemen: welcome to the grand debate. Form vs Function. Discuss.
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sounds more like "mehtrosexual" to me
sounds like tiny can time to me
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form follows function. this isn't to say that form is less valid than function, but that it must not attempt to be more valid. form takes function and joins with it to enhance or improve in accordance with the current aesthetic.
e.g. the lapel: it doesn't exist just to hold a dang flower or create a line. if it's windy or wet, raise that collar and fold that lapel closed to keep cool or dry.
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Function, function, function. Fuck form.
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Really?
Example: ugly comfortable boots v/ stylish comfortable boots
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If ugly and comfortable costs less/takes less time to put on/takes less time to maintain, ugly and comfortable all the way, yes.
If you're into form, by all means, mazeltov.
But unless form is at a nil cost, I gotta go function all the way.
I just wanna get shit done so that I can go back to watching a baseball game or listening to music or something.
Effort I would have to put into maintaining aesthetic choices is effort I could, instead, put into reading and daydreaming.
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given the choice between two pairs of boots, given they are both the same price, comfortable, with identical life expectancies; the only difference being one is stylish and the other is not; i'd opt for the stylish pair every time.
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If you're into form, by all means, mazeltov.
But unless form is at a nil cost, I gotta go function all the way.
This.
Especially since, by virtue of the fact that most people value form, ugly but comfortable boots are often (ultimately, when they don't sell and go on clearance) much less expensive than cute but comfortable boots.
I don't really scorn appearances as much as I pretend to -- I pay $40 every time I get a flipping haircut, for pete's sake -- but honestly, I dress for the life I lead, and that life includes a lot of kneading cookie dough with my hands on the kitchen floor, and not a lot of Manolo Blahnik pumps or what have you. (Case in point, I had to Google MB because I couldn't remember if he made shoes or handbags or whatever.)
So, Old Navy yoga ##### for the win.
ETA: Also, the things I find "aesthetically pleasing" are often not considered "stylish," so while I won't (publicly) wear something I don't feel is flattering to my shape or attractive in a general way, I don't pay much attention to what everyone else is wearing this season or anything. I buy new clothes when the old ones stop fitting or wear out; IMHO tossing things because they're "out of style" is a waste of money and resources. So as a rule, I try not to buy clothes that I can't see myself continuing to love for years to come.
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True enough.
But most of the time, you pay an above-nominal extra fee for style, Choop.
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and why shouldn't i? i like aesthetics, and form properly applied to function pleases me. it's more work and more effort and more investment to integrate the form with the function, and if the price is too high, i pass it up.
but then, i also look for deals on form-infused apparel that knocks some of that premium off. i bought an unused ralph lauren tuxedo for a hundred bucks last year from a rental clearing house; i also got a used brandless tux for seventy-five. the design differences between the two are immediately apparent, and reflected not only in how i look wearing each but how i feel wearing each. i consider that extra twenty-five dollars very well spent. (why two? in case i spill something, of course.)
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i'm generally function.
i used to wear Adidas ball caps exclusively, because they exclusively fit my head correctly and held together well.
i also get pissed that it costs extra to advertise for the companies whose clothing i wear.
eg. a t-shirt costs $10
a t-shirt with a company's logo costs $15
so, i pay a company $5 to advertise for them.
i would think to myself underneat my comfy adidas logo'd ballcap.
truth be told, though, my favoritest ballcap ever was a Camel cap i got free with a couple-three packs of smokes.
this would have been late 90s, because i remember i used to wear that hat while working as
Assistant Part Time Manager
at the KB toys in the mall.
in hindsight, maybe not the most appropriate work attire given the demographic,
however,
our smoke breaks were _right outside the store_ inside the mall.
so, yeah.
form follows function. this isn't to say that form is less valid than function, but that it must not attempt to be more valid. form takes function and joins with it to enhance or improve in accordance with the current aesthetic.
e.g. the lapel: it doesn't exist just to hold a dang flower or create a line. if it's windy or wet, raise that collar and fold that lapel closed to keep cool or dry.
i am far to lazy to have done anything other than wonder about this:
in Stephenson's "history" trilogy of the 1600/1700s,
in the sections about Versaille and the French Court and etc,
he says, or his characters say, that "fashion" (insomuch as the dictates of XIV's court) was a Court invention made by LeRoy in order to be used as a tool to keep the nobility in check,
because keeping up with all the fashion shit was so fuck*ng expensive and time consuming it helped keep a lot of them from plotting against him,
etc.
and that strikes me as so fuck*ng true, that deep down i assume it is false.
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My friend Nick was recently lamenting how hard it is to find a hat with no logo on it. The one he finally found looks is military green and looks very Castro-esque.
I don't mind paying the "free advertising upcharge" if it's something I'm choosing to support like a webcomic or band or whathave you as opposed to "dammit, all the golf shirts in my size have a little alligator or polo player on them"
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To me, form is often an indicator of quality. To me thought put into design sometimes (though not always) follows thought put into construction. If I look at ugly, functional boots v stylish comfortable boots, I then turn to quality, and (this is possibly psychological assumption based stuff) it often turns out that the stylish ones are also of higher quality - such as thicker grain of leather, more rigorous standards of construction, a warrenty on quality, etc. While both will be functional on the same level, if they're fug, I tend to assume there wasn't much care put into the deal, and that they will fall to pieces way earlier.
For boots, being Canadian, it is a serious game. What I do is shop for boots in the middle of summer at the high end foot wear stores. I got the $250 pair of rad boots I wanted on sale for $60. They are slip resistant to -40 deg C, waterproof, thick grade leather, arch support (removeable arch natch) and look snazzy. I could have bought a fug pair by the same company with the same specs for $40, but they were embarassingly ugly vs the stylish pair for $20 more. For a set of boots that will last at least 5 winters, and extra $20 to not be embarassed is nothing.
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I doubt the invention of fashion is directly attributable to Louis XIV, though it's fairly well documented that his use of fashion as a tool amongst his aristocracy to distract them from his agenda. High heels and makeup were first worn by men. It rather amazes me that so many women still use - and many enjoy - these tools of oppression.
btw that ralph lauren tux retailed at $475.
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i am far to lazy to have done anything other than wonder about this:
in Stephenson's "history" trilogy of the 1600/1700s,
in the sections about Versaille and the French Court and etc,
he says, or his characters say, that "fashion" (insomuch as the dictates of XIV's court) was a Court invention made by LeRoy in order to be used as a tool to keep the nobility in check,
because keeping up with all the fashion shit was so fuck*ng expensive and time consuming it helped keep a lot of them from plotting against him,
etc.
Have a can for a Baroque Cycle reference. Love it.
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To me, form is often an indicator of quality.
Yeah, like how Italian cars are the best made.
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often =/= always, the exception proves the rule
NEXT
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Yeah, like how Italian cars are the best made.
I was talking about clothing, not cars or, say... architecture.
I'm the daughter of an autobody teacher, so I think form v function when it comes to cars is pretty skewed in my mind anyway. I mean my dream car would be a 64' Mustang convertible, and I live in the Canadian hinterland, where we have snow and dump buckets of salt on the road six months a year, so clearly for me form follows function there when it comes to vehicle preference too.
On the flip side, my preference with architecture is the opposite when it comes to form v function - the most stylized architectural spaces (to me) are often the ones that fly in the face of structural convention. Structural convention that works and has for centuries. I find that those fancy, odd structures I enjoy looking at are the ones where, when I visit them a few years post construction, have huge challenges with maintenance. Where do I want to live? In a functional space. I favour 100 + year old character homes shaped like rectangles over some curvilinear, corner-less architectural marvel any day, even though the latter maybe purty.
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I mean my dream car would be a 64' Mustang convertible,
Oh, cool choice!
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Cool? Yes. Functional? No.
I even saw one for sale a few years back and toyed with the idea... I asked the guy about the undercarriage (any car that old in my neck of the woods is rusted and waiting to disintegrate) but the guy had actually brought it in from some warm, dry climate down south. I don't even have a garage where I live now, so needless to say, such an impractical choice is not in the cards for now, but a girl can dream.
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smells come dream with us (http://touamb.com/index.php/topic,5743.0.html)
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Are you talking about the '65 mustang or the extremely rare '64 1/2 mustang?
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man, I buy clothes that I think look cool, but a lot of the time my style is "try to look like i do not care that much."
Like maybe my sweater is a little too big, and it's over a plaid shirt that is a weird color, or something.
I don't know.
I guess I am also known to wear like 3 sweaters layered in the winter, under my really heavy coat, so maybe I am more for Function than I think. It looks pretty dorky.
this summer I finally gave in and bought some shorts... normally I only wear jeans because shorts make my legs look stupid.
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this summer I finally gave in and bought some shorts... normally I only wear jeans because shorts make my legs look stupid.
I never wear shorts, but as a lady I also have the option of skirts and dresses when it gets really hot. Still, usually I wear long ##### even in the summer because it's hard to chase children in a skirt without exposing yourself and I have a hard time remember to "sit like a lady," as my mother would say.
It's not a fashion issue or some kind of insecurity about my legs (which honestly are probably one of my better features), I just hate the way shorts feel.
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Threads like this make me glad I work in a place so laid back that long ##### are not required.
Three cheers for the third wave.
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Cool? Yes. Functional? No.
I even saw one for sale a few years back and toyed with the idea... I asked the guy about the undercarriage (any car that old in my neck of the woods is rusted and waiting to disintegrate) but the guy had actually brought it in from some warm, dry climate down south. I don't even have a garage where I live now, so needless to say, such an impractical choice is not in the cards for now, but a girl can dream.
A friend in high school had an old Mustang. His floorboards were pieces of cardboard suitcase.
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I really appreciate this thread. I haven't bought a suit in over a decade and I've actually begun to dress more casually as I've aged. I'd already made up my mind to build up a better wardrobe once I found a job, and there's some do's, don'ts, and links here that will be useful.
There was one earlier post I didn't quite agree with. The blue blazer with brass buttons is like the fedora. You may (well, probably) look like a tool in one, but you might look great. Depends on the man and the rest of what he's wearing.
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hey if you got hair as white as your trousers and turtleneck then by all means don that blazer. or, you know, if you're acting a part in a show of some sort.
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If you look like Ted Knight, feel free to rock that blazer as well.
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R the Riveter stuff.
I have that Rockwell image as a jigsaw puzzle, and I love it.
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...where I saw my grandpa giving a dude a blowjob. in my house.
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....Did inev just click on "How to Dress" instead of "I had a dream..."???
I really, really hope so.
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whoa, yes.
yes.
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If you're gonna watch your grandpa give a blowjob, I'd suggest whatever attire you'd wear for painting.
You know.
In case of Things.
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Wait, what?
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Personally, I think barf bags are the fashion for such occasions.
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You guys are a riot.
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You guys are a riot.
what is wrong with bodily-function-humor?
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Here I thought he was saying something about having a Normal Rockwell painting of that. And I was thinking that even though Norman Rockwell seems boring, everyone has hidden depths.
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Yeah, 'cause I got nothing on how to dress for that occasion.
To the left, obviously.
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Today I bought a sweet jacket. It is nice but also casual. I can wear it in the winter outside a sweater or t shirt and long sleeve thermal thing and be warm or wear it in the summer at night and not be too warm. It is grey. The only problem is I kinda associate this type of jacket with Oasis.
Oh, the other problem. I bought it like a size too big. I am going to try to get it in a size smaller, but I hope that isn't a little to small. If that happens it would blow.
I realized that hoodies make me like shit and now I never have to wear another hoodie.
Also, my cheap black wire frame glasses broke. I am on to my hipster ray ban wayfarer glasses. With this new coat I am looking hella hipster/ brit pop.
Also also, I am thinking about getting one of those hoodie/sweater things. Like hoodie material/strength, no hood, looks like a sweater, zips up. That is more classy than a hoodie right? Or should I just buy a sweater? Then I got to dry clean, and that is a pain in the ass.
I will probably go there right after work before I read this, so it doesn't matter what you say, but still, tell me.
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protip: don't wash your fancy sweaters, ever.
(vernacular TOUAMB version: try what I did, only 10k up front)
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I'm kind of confused... In what world are sweaters not washed or only dry cleaned?
Back before my fancy washing machine I would wash my sweaters by hand and then re-shape and dry them on a small homemade rack over the tub, but now a days I have a hand wash feature on my machine and a official drying rack in the laundry room.
I think there are people who dry clean and people who don't though, so maybe that's the distinction. With the exception of extremely dressy clothes of the sort I'd only wear once or twice a year, I don't buy anything that's "dry clean only."
Keith, I curious about your coat are you talking about a Pea Coat? If so, that sort of jacket is a classic style - Oasis doesn't own that style.
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I guess I would have to say that there is absolutely no chance that a 25 year old male from the Unites States- a dude who owns two ipods and an iphone- is going to hand wash a sweater. I am even the type of person who kinda thinks that is cool, a better way of life even, but I still would not do it. That is why sweaters are dry clean or no wash only. I bought the fake sweater so I don't have to worry. I just needed something to not make me look like an idiot while wearing nice dressyish boot/ shoe things I really like. I think it does the job.
And, no I don't think it is a pea coat. It is like a pea coat a little, but the buttons go all the way up- there are probably 6?- and they are in the middle. It is really light. I actually bought it to wear under a pea coat. This one is made out of something weird, but I know I have seen them with wool and thicker. This might be like another form of pea coat I wouldn't think of as a pea coat though?
Okay, I figured it out, it is a military jacket: http://www.polyvore.com/all-son_basin_military_jacket/thing?id=17445887.
That is not the one I bought, though it is something similar. I don't know why I won't show you all a link of a jacket I bought, but I won't. This is the internet.
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I don't know why I won't show you all a link of a jacket I bought, but I won't. This is the internet.
Yeah, odds on at least one of us has a subscription to barelylegalstonersinmilitaryjackets.com
and then it would get weird.
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I am even the type of person who kinda thinks that is cool, a better way of life even, but I still would not do it.
This is interesting. For me, hand washing clothes is just a basic function of living, like taking a shower or eating. Is that not a thing for most people? I often forget I am the first generation of my family to have had running water and electricity for my entire life, so I tend to think of my view of things as "normal" when in fact I'm more old school than I typically recognize.
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This is interesting. For me, hand washing clothes is just a basic function of living, like taking a shower or eating. Is that not a thing for most people? I often forget I am the first generation of my family to have had running water and electricity for my entire life, so I tend to think of my view of things as "normal" when in fact I'm more old school than I typically recognize.
I hand wash stuff all the time, but then, I'm a lady and a knitter. I don't think Pedro even knows how to hand-wash, it would never occur to him. He'll take stuff to the dry-cleaner, though, and I won't. I use "Dry Cleaner's Secret" to freshen stuff in my dryer; it only goes to a dry-cleaner if it's extremely delicate and has a stain.
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yeah, I actually washed my nice sweaters and hand-shaped them. I don't know why I didn't remember that whole ordeal.
but, you know, one time. I did that once.
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Yeah, I think this is mostly a lady/guy thing. I don't think the Tech Staff would hand wash an item of clothing any more than he would wear lipstick.
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I'm not sure I've ever hand washed anything. I'm not against it though.
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My mother used to hand wash stuff.
I don't wear fancy sweaters.
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I hand wash garments all the time, but it isn't ever sweaters, if you're picking up what I'm laying down. Sometimes you just have to hand wash.
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I don't think spraying your items with latex cleaner counts as "hand-washing."
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I don't think spraying your items with latex cleaner counts as "hand-washing."
I hand wash that stuff, too. Take care of your belongings and they will take care of you.
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I'll bet this guy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmcd9/5287134159/) hand washes.
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and not just the sweater.
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That hat could do with a laundrin'
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My husband used to do some hand washing. He uses the hand wash setting on our machine now a days, and does the hang dry thing. He has some high tec. thermal undies that he treats with great care. I never encouraged this behavior in him. I'm pretty certain he was raised doing this. He has never asked me to do his laundry in all the time we've been together and will even do some spontaneous loads of the around-the-house stuff that both of us use, such a towels and dish clothes, etc..
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I find that washing Pedro's clothes for him is easier and cheaper than replacing them. He's a "wash everything together in one big load, on hot, and then dry it in the dryer on the highest setting it's got" kind of guy.
He also washed all his clothes in fabric softener -- no soap -- for an entire semester at college.
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He also washed all his clothes in fabric softener -- no soap -- for an entire semester at college.
Flawless victory.
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I find that washing Pedro's clothes for him is easier and cheaper than replacing them. He's a "wash everything together in one big load, on hot, and then dry it in the dryer on the highest setting it's got" kind of guy.
He also washed all his clothes in fabric softener -- no soap -- for an entire semester at college.
I do the washer thing.
Also, like a month ago I realized I had been using fabric softener instead of soap for the last 2-3 washings. I bought some detergent.
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when i was 9-10, my mom taught me to use the washing machine. i know the basics and all my clothing is either white or not white. none of it is special needs clothing, but i dry it all on medium to minimize shrinkage.
thats one thing i dont need a lady for; domestic stuff.
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I do the washer thing.
Also, like a month ago I realized I had been using fabric softener instead of soap for the last 2-3 washings. I bought some detergent.
Keith, I have never worried about you being single until now. At least when Pedro did this, we could just laugh and blame it on his being 18.
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Oh, I wouldn't worry. He was probably just really high.
I find that washing Pedro's clothes for him is easier and cheaper than replacing them. He's a "wash everything together in one big load, on hot, and then dry it in the dryer on the highest setting it's got" kind of guy.
I'm good with clothes that require special attention, but yeah, everything else gets that treatment. When I lived with my aunt's family it drove her nuts. "WHY DO YOU REFUSE TO SEPARATE WHITES AND COLORS?!" My point was I do when it matters.
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When I first started working up here and I was still working outside all the time, I really enjoyed doing laundry. Just dump everything in - red sweatshirts, white socks, coveralls - everything. I miss that sense of childlike wonder and freedom.
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I tend to only separate my clothes when they're new. I've never actually seen anything bleed and after a few washings I figure I'm safe. Plus living a lone I barely create enough laundry for one load a week and the machines don't charge less for half loads.
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Why does anyone have white clothes?
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Why does anyone have white clothes?
dress shirts? white undershirts?
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Tighty Whities.
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most of my socks and half of my collared shirts are white. on the rare occasion i have any kind of tan, it such as enhances the old skin tone
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I wear a lot of white socks. It is only recently that I have begun to wear non-white socks without wearing slacks. I never wear white t-shirts or anything like that, though.
I initially typed "Also, wife-beaters look best in white" and then I got to thinking about it. That is a horrible term to just nonchalantly refer to something as - no matter how accurate and fitting it is.
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Ugh, you guys are making me jealous. I do six loads of laundry EVERY WEEK, minimum. (Assuming neither kid pees the bed.) When I was using cloth diapers, it was more like ten.
- One load of towels
- Two loads of t-shirts & pajamas
- One load of socks/underwear
- One load of jeans/#####/heavy clothes (even in the summer; I wear jeans year-round and my son wears denim shorts a lot)
- One load of delicate/perma press/Pedro's work clothes
And then, of course, sheets as necessary. And I'm not subdividing by type to create more work for myself -- these are full loads. I have a super-capacity washer, and I never use anything but the highest water setting (unless, of course, we have a messy diaper leak and I have to wash some poopy clothes separately). In the spring/summer/early fall, I line-dry everything except Pedro's t-shirts (he doesn't like the way they feel when they come off the clothesline), but in the winter I use the dryer for everything except delicates. (I have an indoor clothesline but it takes waaay too long for most things).
I usually do three loads on Tuesdays and three more on Fridays, but this week I've been slack because we've been enjoying Family Time, so I've got an absolute mountain of laundry waiting for me right now. It's at least five loads, and I need to do at least four of them today.
Still, I'd rather do laundry than clean the kitchen.
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Laundry is just an ongoing constant here.
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I try to do all the laundry when I am home. When I first moved down and we were renting a house, we bought a washer and dryer from a friend for a grand total of $50. They're at least 20 years old, maybe 30. I so want new shit, but they still work fine, so I can't justify it (and the amortization on the old purchase - I'm making so much money on these).
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Actually, if they're that old -- especially the dryer -- you might be better served buying a more energy-efficient model. 20 or 30 years ago, washers and dryers were even bigger energy hogs than they are today. I bet if you replaced them, you'd see a significant drop in your power and water usage.
Would it be worth it in the long run? Not for me to say. But a good justification for taking the plunge if you've got the cash and are wanting an excuse for the new-and-shiny.
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Yeah, I gotta save my money for replacing the chimney, basement carpeting, and fixing the AC. You are right, though, they are likely to be hogging some juice.
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Sometimes I read the discussions between you homeowners and am thankful I'm still renting. With the market down and all the emtpy houses around here though, I wonder if it might be time to start taking the plunge.
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I keep thinking about trying to pick up some real estate in our neighborhood, but I just don't think being a landlord is my thing. My brother has like seven rental properties, so I know it's do-able. I think I'm just going to keep going the 401k and other investments route. I'm adding deferred comp this year!
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Over time, my dress has moved from frumpy to deliberately casual.
I'm enjoying it.
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just realized that I am going to have a lot of extra money due to recent lifestyle changes. Now, instead of buying food for someone all the time, i might buy a few new items of clothing.
I never thought I would be a dude who hardcore COVETS this one J-Crew sweater.
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I never thought I would be a dude who hardcore COVETS this one J-Crew sweater.
You are so ARROGANT! (http://achewood.com/index.php?date=02182004)
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that is typically how I feel when I purchase/am given nice things. I am trying to get over it though.
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so i guess i bought some skinny jeans today
now the question:
do i wear them or bury them in the backyard?
Seriously, I bought skinny jeans. Two pair. I have not worn anything other than boot-cut since 1993. But I am trying to start dressing like I don't belong to AARP, and since I only had one pair of jeans that fit, I figured if I was going to buy #####, I should buy something that's in style.
I think my Fashion Question for the forseeable future is: What Would Liz Lemon (http://thinkbing.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/celebrity-pictures-tina-fey-smart-sexy.jpg) Wear? I can't find a pic of her wearing her hottest outfit ever, but it was basically dark skinny jeans, a fitted, white, button-down dress shirt, and a navy v-neck sweater with cap sleeves (or possibly sleeveless?). If I could rock that exact outfit every single day, I totally would.
She looked so nerd-hot, I rewound the stream and watched her walk into Donaghy's office three or four times in a row.
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(Mr. Plinkett voice) YOU WEAR THE HELL OUTTA THEM JEANS, JAYELLE.
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Dumb question: what exactly is cocktail attire? Keep in mind I live in Utah and not NYC.
Also, dress like you mean it? If you want me to dress in a certain manner you're going to have to be more specific.
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That reminds me, do you all think that cuff links can ever be worn without a jacket or tie?
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Cocktail attire.... an olive on a toothpick stuck into the top of your head?
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I'm going to go with the olive, no tie.
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I don't know if I know how to dress for the summer without falling into either "weird hipster asshole" or "weird preppy asshole." I think I am going to default to the latter. I might buy a pair of go to hell ##### (http://blog.brooksbrothers.com/the-answers/abandon-all-hope-ye-who-gaze-upon-these-trousers/). Or else too-short shorts in a GTH color.
I recently discovered the "shoes without socks" paradigm and I am pretty excited about it.
In a fit of overexuberance for the weather I shaved my head. SKINHEAD PREP YEAH.
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Got my suit back from the tailor. I look more like a guy from Goodfellas than a guy from Mad Men in this thing. My question is this: The dude threw in a purple-ish striped tie (He said it matched the suit, I think he was just upselling me). I feel like purple ties can only be pulled off by men of a darker skin tone. Yes? No?
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You know what sucks? When people have to take a group picture and tell you you have to wear colour coordinated clothes. Today, I am a rebel, and it will be documented for posterity.
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I feel like purple ties can only be pulled off by men of a darker skin tone. Yes? No?
I own a purple tie, and I think it looks good. I am a pale Scotsman.
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Got my suit back from the tailor. I look more like a guy from Goodfellas than a guy from Mad Men in this thing.
Fellows of a certain height look more like penguins than gangsters or ad agency flacks when forced to wear suits. I'm sure this fact is at least partially behind my decision to go into a career where occasions to wear suits are few and far between.
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I know this is the dork answer, but I am a big fan of reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice. If you post a picture (maybe with the face blurred out) and say "why does this suit make me feel like an extra from Goodfellas?" they will respond with a point by point analysis of why the suit looks that way. They also have guides on the side with pointers for people who know less than you probably know. I have relied on them heavily when looking for things like dress shoes, summer shoes, etc.
This summer I have embraced that I am just going to look like a weird hipster nerd. Shorter shorts, boat shoes, striped t-shirt, my bright yellow backpack. Every day. All day. Looking good.
One friend said that " look like a 7 year old on the first day of school." Since then I have upgraded my canvas sneakers to real boat shoes. Very comfortable. But they make me feel a little like my dad.
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I own a purple tie, and I think it looks good. I am a pale Scotsman.
I wore a purple tie yesterday. I am a pale-American.
I don't give a fuck whether it looked good or not.
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bill nye teaches chris hardwick how to tie a bowtie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlP_KniNQHw)
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That's pretty rad GKA. Isn't Bill Nye lovely?
Two of my male coworkers came to work wearing purple recently and apparently this was an issue to my female boss. I had just registered both of the as "looking nice" without really noticing anything unusual. She always notices what people are wearing though, I mostly don't. Both were very dark purple polo shirts. Is it fare to say women have full access to the colour pallet while men have all sorts of perceived limitations? Like, it's always a statement when a man wears pink, but not a statement when a woman wears blue...
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Is it fare to say women have full access to the colour pallet while men have all sorts of perceived limitations?
Sure, but I always figure it's a fair trade for all that stuff like how we make less money than they do for doing the same jobs, and such.
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I honestly don't get the wage gap argument. Are they saying they earn less because there is discrimination against women? Or are they saying women earn less because of basic facts of like we all have to live with?
Most of it sounds like it falls in the correlation =/= causation side.
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Is it fare to say women have full access to the colour pallet while men have all sorts of perceived limitations? Like, it's always a statement when a man wears pink, but not a statement when a woman wears blue...
I was reading an article about nerdy women. It basically said that western culture views a woman who takes an interest in manly things as bettering herself, but a man taking an interest in ladylike things is a "broken machine." I think that sentiment directly applies to the colour pallet thing. A subtle and deeply ingrained form of misogyny.
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http://grooveshark.com/s/Start+Wearing+Purple/1YBL73?src=5
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Holiday shopping theme song:
http://grooveshark.com/s/Thrift+Shop+Featuirng+Wanz/4UP2JN?src=5
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i recently lost my last favorite pair of jeans to time and tearing. rest in peace, you lucky sons of bitches.
anyway i decided i'm through with jeans for a while. i'm short and fat, and it's tough to find jeans that look good, especially if they fit well. if they do both, they're expensive, and damnit i'm sick of the hunt.
so, slacks. they're a hell of a lot comfier than jeans, mostly, though they don't usually grow with you over time. they come in all kinds of weights for seasonable adjustments, and fabrics and colors for every consideration you'd need to bother yourself for. and anybody that says i'm not allowed to wear casual kicks with chinos can go fuck themselves.
fine, i admit it, i'm getting old. you know what else i don't wear? white sneakers. sure, i have a pair of white adidas sambas, but they have black stripes and a tan suede toe. my tastes have evolved, and thank * for it.
my slacks'es colors, in case anybody's wondering: black, charcoal, navy, dark brown, medium brown, light grey. no tan or khaki, by design. in the market for olive and maybe eventually some shade of red and/or lighter blue. also no white, nor will i ever.
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oh, I posted something here from my phone and it didn't take.
My favorite ##### are brown. I don't know what the name for this type of ##### is. My dad would call them Chinos, but to me that name evokes baggy ##### with big pleats. I guess they are brown khakis.
I roll the cuff a few inches and wear them with low-top canvas sneakers and no socks. It feels great.
I gained a tiny amount of weight, and suddenly all of my jeans are skintight. Good thing it's shorts weather. By fall I'll have biked it off and will be able to wear them without shame again.
My favorite shorts are the one item I wear regularly that breaks my self-imposed color rules-- they are "nantucket red."
I think I am kind of Over the skinny jeans thing. I am looking for jeans that are a little looser, but still tapered towards the cuff. 4 years of super-skinny jeans makes anything else feel like bell-bottoms.
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I think I am kind of Over the skinny jeans thing. I am looking for jeans that are a little looser, but still tapered towards the cuff. 4 years of super-skinny jeans makes anything else feel like bell-bottoms.
I'm the opposite. I've been wearing boot-cut jeans since...1993? I've tried on straight-leg jeans a few times and I even own two pairs of skinny jeans (which I wear exclusively with knee-high boots), but they always take me right back to 1987 and my stonewashed rainbow-dyed jeans with the zippers in the cuff.