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[arkabee]

Do you find that dark humor usually isn't funny to you?

i generally gravitate towards it.  i may have an exceptionally large stick up my ass at the moment, though.

[Bozack]

We're working some rough chuckles these days!

[CortJstr]

We're working some rough chuckles these days!

Dammit now I have a mental image of Chucklebot in B&D gear. Thank you so very much.

[misterqueue]

We're working some rough chuckles these days!

Dammit now I have a mental image of Chucklebot in B&D gear. Thank you so very much.

Sounds appropriate to me.. maybe add a little coconut infused rum.

[Bobby Isosceles]

i'm replying to this one from the rosa parks thread in this thread.

You had me at hello. I think the best comment on this matter was elucidated in the Prussian Blue thread, regarding the "marketplace of ideas." I believe in anyone -- even a bigot's -- right to say whatever he or she wants. I think the only way to successfuly quell an idea is reductio ad absurdum. Every other attempt to stifle a belief or meme will merely result in it getting a case of martyrdom. To destroy an idea you must give it its fifteen minutes of fame and watch it wither from overexposure. This is where I feel irony should be directed, not to cartoon-embossed t-shirts on yowling hipsters with black plastic framed glasses dancing to cheap synth music and drinking cheaper beer.

Humor is a weapon. When you say I'm funny nine times out of ten, that's because i'm trying to KILL YOU. A 90% hit rate ain't bad.

i think it needs to be mentioned that i'm a horrible subgenius, fuck 'em if they can't take a joke cuts both ways.  my sense of humor is periodic like haley's comet.  of course, i read achewood and think it is funny.

i'm not advocating the revocation of anyone's free speech or free thought, to the contrary i want those i have irreconcilable differences with to speak up and be identified, so i'll know when to run.

i'm not referring to "i like cool ranch doritoes" vs "i like original" type differences.  you can carry on about flavor versus crunch until you are blue in the face provided i can ignore the fuck out of you at my earliest convenience.  and given that i have been known to go on at _signifigant_ length about the virtues of, i dunno, cool ranch doritoes i know and embrace that that knife (the knife of ignoring the fuck out of) cuts both ways.

no, what i'm referring to are differences of opinion to the cut of: "i think you should die" versus "i'm quite content to keep breathing".  or sometimes it's not even me in the argument, at which maybe it's more accurately "i think you should die" versus "no, i know you should die".

there's a right to believe whatever you want to, know matter how wrong it is.  and there's a right to act on it that stops at about the point that my rights to act on what i think is right starts.

or something.  free speech, yes, good.

so, here we have 2 young girls that sing white supremacist folk songs.  yippee-kay-yay and pip pip cheerio.

so, it's not funny, but it can be laughed at because:

1- it should be mocked, so as to counter it's argument

2- otherwise i might cry

3- it's absurd, and my alternative is to pop a blood vessel.

but in the case of the prussian blue girls hypothetically dancing on the grave of rosa parks, what you were making light of wasn't them doing so but the concept of them doing so because it would show just how absurd they truly are?

but to me it's not a funny thought, it's scary as shit because the act of them doing such a thing would probably inspire a level of violence that while they may not personally advocate because there is a good chance that, as folk singers, they do not personally understand, those that handle them or those that handle those that handle them DO advocate and wish upon the world.

of course, they might just get arrested for desocration of grave yard property and the world might have a good chuckle at the white supremecist folk singers going off to jail.

i dunno.

and i agree with you and AW, mockery is a great tool.  at least i intellectually agree with you, in practice it's a periodic hit or miss as to whether my sense of humor is in the state or not.

when my "haha" is on vacation, though, i fear that laughing it off is in fact dismissing it as not worth worrying about, and when you don't worry about shit because you don't think it's worth worrying about is about the time it turns out that was something you really should have worried about and it bites you in the ass really hard.

shit, i need to lighten up.

The very essence of tragedy, as well as the very essence of comedy, is watching one bring ruin upon oneself. A comedy is a fall from grace, as is a tragedy; the question is whether we feel the fall from grace is just or can empathize with it. This is part of the reason why Seinfeld was so funny: the characters were quite unlikeable and pulled themselves into their own ruinous plots.

So it is with Prussian Blue. Toppling their nascent fame or blotting their shining star from without would end their menace, but would deprive us of the sense of justice one can only reap with self-inflicted damage. It is only through achievement of their goals through excess that they can truly crash hard and it's the purest schadenfreude to fantasize about that.

[arkabee]

The very essence of tragedy, as well as the very essence of comedy, is watching one bring ruin upon oneself. A comedy is a fall from grace, as is a tragedy; the question is whether we feel the fall from grace is just or can empathize with it. This is part of the reason why Seinfeld was so funny: the characters were quite unlikeable and pulled themselves into their own ruinous plots.

So it is with Prussian Blue. Toppling their nascent fame or blotting their shining star from without would end their menace, but would deprive us of the sense of justice one can only reap with self-inflicted damage. It is only through achievement of their goals through excess that they can truly crash hard and it's the purest schadenfreude to fantasize about that.

i don't feel comfortable watching tragedy unfold in real time in real life.

paul said this in the other thread, but i'm replying to it here because i think it applies better for what i'm trying to say:

I don't know, but I just killed a post in the other thread because I couldn't think of a good way to say that those two misguided children dancing on Rosa Parks grave isn't funny because it's a stunningly acurate metaphor for the state of race relations in America at the moment.  The civil rights movement is dead and racism is on the rise among young white people.

~Paul

1 - i think that is incredibly well said.

2- if the Neo Nazis and the white supremacists and etc all tragically get hoisted on their own pitard, all the better.

but watching the shit happening real time, AND NOT KNOWING WHICH WAY THE BALANCE OF TRAGEDY WILL TIP leaves me unsettled.


Is Resevoir Dogs a dark comedy?  to me it is, as well as other genres, but it's a dard comedy.  i laugh at parts of it, because it's so fucked up, so bizarre, there are such touching moments of concern in it that are so blood splattered.  etc.
but it is fantasy, and it is not going to march down my street.

the Cartiledge Head series here recently.  that's some pretty dark shit.  i laughed at ray, though, in spots.  because it's a talking cat in a thong.

[Bobby Isosceles]

The very essence of tragedy, as well as the very essence of comedy, is watching one bring ruin upon oneself. A comedy is a fall from grace, as is a tragedy; the question is whether we feel the fall from grace is just or can empathize with it. This is part of the reason why Seinfeld was so funny: the characters were quite unlikeable and pulled themselves into their own ruinous plots.

So it is with Prussian Blue. Toppling their nascent fame or blotting their shining star from without would end their menace, but would deprive us of the sense of justice one can only reap with self-inflicted damage. It is only through achievement of their goals through excess that they can truly crash hard and it's the purest schadenfreude to fantasize about that.

i don't feel comfortable watching tragedy unfold in real time in real life.

paul said this in the other thread, but i'm replying to it here because i think it applies better for what i'm trying to say:

I don't know, but I just killed a post in the other thread because I couldn't think of a good way to say that those two misguided children dancing on Rosa Parks grave isn't funny because it's a stunningly acurate metaphor for the state of race relations in America at the moment.  The civil rights movement is dead and racism is on the rise among young white people.

~Paul

1 - i think that is incredibly well said.

2- if the Neo Nazis and the white supremacists and etc all tragically get hoisted on their own pitard, all the better.

but watching the shit happening real time, AND NOT KNOWING WHICH WAY THE BALANCE OF TRAGEDY WILL TIP leaves me unsettled.


Is Resevoir Dogs a dark comedy?  to me it is, as well as other genres, but it's a dard comedy.  i laugh at parts of it, because it's so fucked up, so bizarre, there are such touching moments of concern in it that are so blood splattered.  etc.
but it is fantasy, and it is not going to march down my street.

the Cartiledge Head series here recently.  that's some pretty dark shit.  i laughed at ray, though, in spots.  because it's a talking cat in a thong.

They will not win. That's a fact.

[Bobby Isosceles]

What the hell?

who spilled the beans

Jeez.

[Bozack]

...Why would their younger sister be named "Dresden"? Wasn't that....didn't we...
Do these people even know who was on what side during WW2? Or are they just in love with death in general?

[V-Adore]

...Why would their younger sister be named "Dresden"? Wasn't that....didn't we...
Do these people even know who was on what side during WW2? Or are they just in love with death in general?

According to that article, they appear to also be Holocaust deniers. Delightful.

[Doc]

I wonder if all the hardcore white supremist music fans hate these guys for watering down the message for mainstream listening?
Sell outs!

[pmcd9]

What the hell?

who spilled the beans

Jeez.

Dude, they were on Primetime last week.  I figured that's where you heard about them.

~Paul

[Bozack]

According to that article, they appear to also be Holocaust deniers. Delightful.

See, this is the thing that totally gets me. Holocaust deniers. I mean, they have to exist, if someone's going to be a true anti-Semite. But...there's not a lot of proof that the Holocaust didn't happen, and there's a lot of evidence that says 6 million people didn't just disappear. I guess that, once you've swallowed that jagged little pill, you can believe everything.