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[Bozack]

Okay, we need to construct some sort of beer hierarchy, because you cannot simply say that PBR is an absolute shit beer without noting the existence of the Beast and Natty Ice. We're going to have to rate things. It might get tough. Tensions might be revealed. Dare I posit that tempers might FLARE.

I think we can safely say that Natural Ice is at the very bottom (in the dog piss category), followed by Milwaukee's Best (dog piss), etc. We need to categorize into "Dog Piss," "Piss Water," "Hobo Piss," "Cheap Beer," etc., all the way up to "Reward Beer."

[tcc]

As an aussie I would be very keen to see a rated list of US beers.  Also if you could manage a list for "tastes good when already stoned" and "awesome after a root" - that'd be way cool.

[pmcd9]

Beer snobbery is a preposterous idea.  Have some dignity.

~Paul

[Golfhaus]

I'm not a beer drinker, so I can't help rate, but I would love to see such a list myself, because I'm a nerd like that.

If anyone wants to do a whiskey list, though, I will try any sent to me.

[acoxcae]

Beer snobbery is a preposterous idea.  Have some dignity.

~Paul

There's nothing snobby about drinking beer that doesn't taste like molding onions soaked in hoss urine.  On the other hand, I'll admit....

I sometimes drink PBR.  The bar right down the street from my house has it on tap for $.50, and it is drinkable - several notches above, say, Busch Light, Milwaukee's Best (Light or not), or Keystone.

I'd like to clarify this by saying that I also appreciate actual good beer, beer that I'd be willing to pay more than $.50 for.  I don't think that appreciating beer is snobbery, nor ranking beer - snobbery implies that you have an aversion or attraction to something based on non-practical reasons - for instance, idiots like designer clothing not because it's attractive (most of it isn't), but because it's expensive and recognizable, and therefore a status symbol.  I like good beer because it tastes good, regardless of price or brand.

So, sorry Paul, much respect for you and whatever you're drinking, but let the classification commence!

edit:  Let me also say that this discussion should probably be moved to Sports and Leisure.

[pmcd9]

Realizing that there are people in this world who actually drink non alcoholic beer.  I ask you, would any of you drink even the best tasting beer in the world if it did not have the accompanying intoxicating effect?  I say no because even the best tasting beers are pretty damn bad relatively speaking.  No one ever drinks beer for the taste ever.  Ever!

~Paul

[acoxcae]

Realizing that there are people in this world who actually drink non alcoholic beer.  I ask you, would any of you drink even the best tasting beer in the world if it did not have the accompanying intoxicating effect?  I say no because even the best tasting beers are pretty damn bad relatively speaking.  No one ever drinks beer for the taste ever.  Ever!

~Paul

Good argument but...wrong.  I drink beer for the beer taste!  The unfortunate thing about beer is that in order to get that taste, it has to have alcohol - the breakdown of sugars by yeast produces a lot of the flavor, and the alcohol allows it to last more than 8 minutes - unfortunately, non-fermented beer is pretty much the perfect environment for bacteria to thrive in, and is also non-carbonated.  N-A beer tastes terrible because they've had to do all sorts of things to remove the alcohol while still making sure it won't kill you.  

When I'm drinking good beer, usually I drink one - no intoxicating effects whatsoever, just delicious flavor.  Actually that tends to be why I drink more when I drink terrible beer, because as the drunkening commences, the terrible flavor is less and less of a problem.  Good beer I drink for the delicious beer flavor, as do most other beer lovers.  If they could make NA beer that tasted like some of my favorite beers, I'd be drinking it ALL THE TIME.  Rather than reaching for a glass of water or a coke, I'd be having delicious beer, all the time (and would probably develop a weight problem).  As it stands, however, I only have a beer once a week or so, and it's special and delicious, and I hope that someday you too will find a beer that you would like to drink for flavor alone.

edit:  Why does phpBB add an extra (/b) when I've clearly already done so?  WHY!?

[AlohaDawg]

Good post!

I agree. At a restaurant, I will drink a premium beer (just one or two) and enjoy it.

I rarely drink beer for the effects - it takes too much of it for the effect to be interesting.

Now Tequila, on the other hand...

[arkabee]

i used to drink natural lite.  don't remember if i drank ice or not.
it really wasn't bad.
i keep looking for busch lite, because i figure it will be cheap like busch.
i kind of like busch, after the 1st half of a bottle.

whenever i get confused about why someone rabidly thinks his chevy pickup is vastly superior to someone's ford pickup, and vice versa, a take a nce long pull off my miller lite and vocally scorn any and all who drink that crap that pretends to be beer, bud lite.  and then i go help the chevy guy beat up the ford guy.

good times.

so,
can you afford it?
do you like sitting in it?
and, to me, most importantly, does it get you where you need to go?

i mean,
is someone with an overbored 1.8->2.0 liter, turboed, and nitrous'd
requiring octane booster to pump 93 when running full boost getting
4 mpg really justified in saying how ineffiecient that dude in his escalade really is?

i mean, dude, you are throwing cash at something and it is getting you where you want to go.

[Bozack]

I drink beer for the taste. Oh, god, do I love beer. Beery beery beer.
If I'm drinking for taste, I'll get a nice Brooklyn Pale Ale, maybe a Magic Hat, depending on how I feel. If they have a special seasonal Magic Hat out, I'll grab that (The HI.P.A. tastes like weed. And also, amazingly, tastes good.).
Right now, I'm happy to have discovered Woodpecker English Cider- 4.2% alcohol by volume (about the same as Bud Light), and really quite delightful. I have declared it the "beer of breakfast," as the apple accents really go well with sausage and eggs. Boddington's is the "beer of lunch," and Guiness is the "beer of dinner," or possible just "dinner," as it is basically like eating a pound of potatoes.

[Mantonio]

When I was down in New York for Thanksgiving, my cousin got me hooked on Belhaven. That's a beer to love.

[AugustWest]

Hell yes I drink beer for the taste.  

Or I did, before I started this diet.  I been on the wagon all week, and beer's pretty much verboten anyway even when I can drink.

To address the question at hand:

I can appreciate Beef Tenderloin, yet I still eat at White Castle occasionally.  Thus it is for beer.  There is a time and a place for all things, including cheap beer.

Do I recognize that Bass is better than Stroh's?  Sure.  But I still drink Stroh's sometimes.  Or Little Kings.  Or Miller High Life.  Or Milwaukee's Best.  Because sometimes it's just the right thing to do.

Actually, I miss some of the regional cheap brews.  I'm thinking mainly of Sterling at this point.  I know they still make it, but it's in cans and it doesn't taste the same as when it was in the old squat brown bottles.  Miss that stuff.

[aparrish]

I ask you, would any of you drink even the best tasting beer in the world if it did not have the accompanying intoxicating effect?

I have to say that the most disappointing thing about moving to NYC from the Bay Area is the fact that a lot of folks in NYC seem to have pmcd9's attitude.  It is much more difficult, on average, to get good beer in a NYC bar it is in a bar in San Francisco (or Oakland or Berkeley).  It's like they don't even care about beer over here.  In the Bay Area even the diviest of dives would have like awesome microbrews on tap, but here in NYC I think people don't even want to hear the word "microbrew."  Or even "local brewery" (Brooklyn Brewery excepted).  "Drink your Sam Adams and be happy about it!"

Maybe I'm just going to the wrong bars.

[pmcd9]

The worst Beer I ever tasted was Shaeffer.  I think it was .99 for a sixer.  Mind, this was in the early 80's, but still, that's f'n cheap.  Damn was it bad.

~Paul

[CortJstr]

I was at a New Year's Eve show that featured a Natty Boh toast a midnight. It was so bad that virtually nobody took more than the first sip. This was free alcohol on New Year's Eve at midnight and people still weren't interested.

This is how bad National Bohemian is.