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[jough]

Yeah, the "expensive" part of a nutrition app is the database.  It is just too much for one man to handle.  I will however look into renting/buying rather than building and see if it's just a matter of slapping a front-end and a parser on someone else's hard work.  Not that it'll be quick and easy by any means, but it's sure to be a fuck-load less work than somehow keying in nutrition info for thousands of items.

I guess it could be done as a social app, but dang, that's a lot of stuff.

[Choop]

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR18/dnload/sr18nld.html

[jough]

Hey Choop!  LTNS.

Thanks for that link.  It looks like it would be easy to update and manage.  Pretty sweet.  And free.  We like free data, paid for by your tax dollars.

This looks promising as well:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/etext/000011.html

[Mite]

Choop! Nice to see ya!

[pmcd9]

Hi Choop, nice to see 'ya.

Confession time.  Sometimes when I see a post by Choop, I sing to myself Choop, de doop, de do de do de doop ala Salt 'n Pepa.

That's wrong of me, i'm sorry.

~Paul

[side_show]

Wellness update:  Today is my weigh in day, and I have lost another 3 pounds, bringing the overall total to 7 pounds lost.  Also, walking to work today I was just kicking it - the business men had to get the fuck out of my way!  Yeah!  I walk to work so fast that my face is red and I'm all sweaty.  Bleh!

Jough, in regard to shame - no.  Eating (and getting well in general), especially in your case, can not/should not be about shame.   You're fueling your body and nourishing yourself - there's nothing to be ashamed about there, even if you give in to something not so nutritious from time to time. You could put a mirror in front of you every time you eat something, and just look at yourself biting and chewing (basically anyone looks gross if you closely watch them eating) - but why would you want to do that to yourself. Separating the emotional part of you from eating is a lot of work, but also, I think, the most mentally healthy way to go.  If you're at all like me (and most North Americans, I think) you've got some association to food as a security blanket.  I figure the further away from this state of mind I can get, the better. I don't want to turn to a bag of chips when I feel lonely or sad - I've got friends for that, and generally, my friends are calorie free.

Also, for me a diet/tracker based on UPC codes would fall too easily into the trap of eating prepaired/packaged foods, which is what I am totally working to avoid at all costs.  The higher levels of processing, artificial colours and flavours, sodium, and cost, along with lower levels of fiber and nutrients are things I am not in to.

[jough]

Yeah, but it's already pretty easy to keep track of un-packaged foods in a nutrition database.

Anyway, regarding shame... fat people pretty much can never eat in public without thin people looking at them such as "Oh look, the fat guy is eating, quelle surprise."  I could be eating a baby carrot, and it could have been the only thing I had eaten in two days, but still, I feel their eyes judging me.

I'm really not as neurotic as I sound in print, I swear.

[side_show]

Yes, jough, everyone is looking at you, in fact I am looking at you right now.  And so is Mr Q, and he's also fondling himself, but it's just better not to ask.

Okay, yeah, I know what you mean.  I've definitely felt like people are looking at me and judging me and what I'm eating - especially in public.  I used to be so embarrassed to order certain things in drive throughs or take outs that I would intentionally and loudly ask for two forks or two drinks so that the person I was ordering from and everyone around me would think I was ordering for two people.  Then I'd go hide in my car somewhere and eat it all alone.  That's how embarrassed I was. And while I don't doubt a few people would do a double take to see what I was eating and judge me, especially if I was out-of-controle-binging on something really bad for me, I also realize that the shame itself was something coming from inside me.  It's your choice to let other people make you feel small or not.  Only you controle how you feel.  Basically, I chose to frame it that I am working toward positive change.  Yeah right now I'm not in my best body, but that's a long time coming, so I'm not going to feel bad that I'm not there yet, and the victories between then and now are things that need to be celebrated too.   Basically what I'm saying is this:  Remember, you're doing good kid - keep it up! (or basically "Fuck you, I'm Rocking out.")

[misterqueue]

Yes, jough, everyone is looking at you, in fact I am looking at you right now.  And so is Mr Q, and he's also fondling himself, but it's just better not to ask.

Wait that was jough I was looking at?  Well fuck!  I at least hope it really was me I was fondling... sure felt like me.

[Drygioni]

Wait that was jough I was looking at?  Well fuck!  I at least hope it really was me I was fondling... sure felt like me.

He Always Checks For Lumps

[misterqueue]

He Always Checks For Lumps

Isn't that the subtitle of the new Harry Potter book.  "Harry Potter and the Testicular Concerns"


Maybe that was fanfic... they both sound the same to me anyway.

[side_show]

Did you know that even though they've lost all meaning, I still give cans out?  It's true.  Huzzah!

[misterqueue]

I <3 Smells!

[theinevitable]

I have recently realized that I have not even thought about cans in about a month.

so, everyone gets cans!
EVERYONE GETS A CAN!

[jough]

I was thinking that maybe on the upcoming board anniversary we could reset everyone's cans to zero, sorta like erasing Original Sin and giving everyone a clean slate.

The entire membership would then be in a perfect state of grace, an absolute balance in the TOUAMB universe.  Does one dare disturb that balance?  What are the ramifications of giving or taking a can when everyone is equal?