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[littlefallsmets]

As far as I understand it, yeah.

In the strict orthodox view of Judaism, unless you were born out of a Jewish pu$$y, you ain't actually Jewish.

Strict matriliny... despite the fact that there's not a whole lot more women's rights in orthodox Judaism than in any other fundamentalist religion.

[jay-ell]

I kind of like the rationale for that.  That being, you always know who the kid's mother is, but you can't be sure about the babydaddy. 

Basically Judaism doesn't trust people.  I'm down with that. 

[Arachno-capitalist]

I kind of like the rationale for that.  That being, you always know who the kid's mother is, but you can't be sure about the babydaddy. 

Basically Judaism doesn't trust people.  I'm down with that. 

Actually in all of biology we find that babys look more like their fathers than their mothers. It is obvious who the mother is, but in order for a father to truly care for a newborn baby, he must be sure it is his.

[jay-ell]

Sure, A-CAP, but do you know how many women in this world have boffed their husbands' brothers? 

[Arachno-capitalist]

Sure, A-CAP, but do you know how many women in this world have boffed their husbands' brothers? 

Pedro, be warned.

[theinevitable]

no, I'm pretty sure you can convert, even to Orthodox judaism. Because, I mean... the first Jews had to convert, correct? taking up the covenant and all that?

[CortJstr]

no, I'm pretty sure you can convert, even to Orthodox judaism. Because, I mean... the first Jews had to convert, correct? taking up the covenant and all that?

But the first ones were chosen. All other tribes were bad and evil.

[robot_god]

Sure, A-CAP, but do you know how many women in this world have boffed their husbands' brothers? 

Well, I don't know about A-CAP, but I don't have any idea at all.  Do you have inside information?

Chalk up another reason I am glad to be an only child.

[theinevitable]

But the first ones were chosen. All other tribes were bad and evil.

no no no, God offered the covenant to other tribes first. The Jews were the only/first ones to accept.

at least, that is what I have been told.

[Arachno-capitalist]

the jews broke the covenant by worshiping the cow they made. 

[linnea]

the jews broke the covenant by worshiping the cow they made. 

People have broken god's covenant since day one, but the golden calf is a particularly noteworthy example.

Also, it is hilarious to hear people bandying about shit they've overheard about religion. All Jewish souls were present at the time that Moses revealed God's commandments, even the people who didn't convert until 5,000 years later. It is true that there isn't proselytizing in Judaism. One of my best friends converted to marry his wife, and now he studies with a Chabad rebbe. It's a complex religion.

[Ruta Bagas]

Two more pages and we'll have this Judaism shit down.

We should probably let them know once we've figured it all out. They might be doing it wrong.

[Doc]

Yeah I always figured that if I were religious Judaism would be a good bet this is mainly because of the Talmud which was first described to me as discusssion of how the Torah and other jewish teachings should be interpreted. It just seemed very cool that there was a religion that was comfortable enough with itself that interpretation and discussion of the teachings were encouraged.
I might be totally misinformed but the Jews seem to have their shit together.

[Ben-San]

In principle, questioning is a virtue in Judaism. The idea is that if you haven't examined what you believe and had it challenged, how can you be sure you believe it? That said, some (quite a few) of the orthodox sects have this thing going where if your questions don't come up with answers in the right vicinity there's something implicitly wrong with you, which seems like extensive pointmissing to me.

It's possible to convert to Judaism but for many purposes a first-generation convert isn't considered "fully Jewish". This won't affect your afterlife prospects or your relationship with God or anything like that, but for things like funeral funds and Israeli citizenship you often won't qualify. The idea, like with the rabbi trying to dissuade you, is to keep people from converting for reasons other than an actual desire to embrace the Jewish faith. That said, some people will hold various kinds of prejudice against converts, but what can you do about dicks.

Belated l'shanah tovah to y'all too. I was going to make some kind of shofar/fo'sure inversion pun here but I couldn't think of one.