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[MrMandible]

http://www.catandgirl.com

It'll be number 562 in the archives if it's off the mainpage when you read this.

[linnea]

http://www.catandgirl.com

It'll be number 562 in the archives if it's off the mainpage when you read this.

Hell yes! Looks like Dorothy backs some of us up on the position of Molly's character. Thank you for the link.

[jaydub]

Applause!
(Although I'm on the fence about Molly, which is kinda like being on the fence about W., I guess)

[littlefallsmets]

I'm pro-Molly because... I mean... of course she's gonna be weird and bitchy occasionally, SHE HAS TO PUT UP WITH BEEF AS HER LOVER. There is no way that someone perfectly likable would put up with his crap for that long.

Love is 80% trade-offs and... love with insane people is nearly 100% trade-offs.

This is how it works for real people, why not too for talking cats?

[linnea]

I'm pro-Molly because... I mean... of course she's gonna be weird and bitchy occasionally, SHE HAS TO PUT UP WITH BEEF AS HER LOVER. There is no way that someone perfectly likable would put up with his crap for that long.

Love is 80% trade-offs and... love with insane people is nearly 100% trade-offs.

This is how it works for real people, why not too for talking cats?

I am also Pro-Molly, as must be Dorothy Gambrell. I liked this strip. It's weird how so many male comic artists create all-male worlds or nearly so. Jeph Jacques and John Allison would be notable exceptions.

[littlefallsmets]

It's weird how so many male comic artists create all-male worlds or nearly so.

Remember, most creative-type guys are either gay or have been rejected by women so many times in their lives that they've kind of subconsciously rejected the female sphere from their lives except for that one woman who happened to settle for them, who is represented in the token female lead.

One could argue that we can't blame the artists but, rather, the girls who "loved them like brothers" in high school. Yes, that will do nicely.

[theinevitable]

on the other hand, some men include women and basically write them as Men with Boobies.

Or, you know, have them, and their whole character is "i want to get it on with this guy, but cannot. I make sarcastic mean jokes"
or
"I am so sexual, check out how into sex I am. also, coffee."

[linnea]

on the other hand, some men include women and basically write them as Men with Boobies.

Or, you know, have them, and their whole character is "i want to get it on with this guy, but cannot. I make sarcastic mean jokes"
or
"I am so sexual, check out how into sex I am. also, coffee."

You demoted me by a Tiny Can of Dr. Pepper because I mentioned Jeph Jacques?

[AugustWest]

I am OK with Molly as a character, but I do think the Cat and Girl lady has a point.

[theinevitable]

no, I did not take a can away from anyone.

[V-Adore]

I like Molly a lot as a character, but it is hard to argue she's an independent character -- indeed, has Achewood ever had a female character who wasn't defined in terms of their relationship with a member of the male cast? The only female Achewood characters I can even think of at all are Molly/Tina/Ultra Peanut (all defined by romantic relationships, although in Philippe's case it's more ambiguous) and people's female relatives (Ray's mom, Gramma K, Philippe's mom...).

[oball]

It's weird how so many male comic artists create all-male worlds or nearly so. Jeph Jacques and John Allison would be notable exceptions.

Just quickly browsing through my list of webcomics, I'd add Something Positive, Diesel Sweeties, Dresden Codak and Gunnerkrigg Court to those two.

[colmore]

Achewood's a sausage fest, no doubt.  But to be fair, I think it's plenty fine for a comic to choose a homosocial group of friends as a subject matter.  People write what they know.  I bet Chris is one of those dudes who stopped having many female friends the day he graduated college.

Mmmmm.... cat sausage.

[Doc]

I am also Pro-Molly, as must be Dorothy Gambrell. I liked this strip. It's weird how so many male comic artists create all-male worlds or nearly so. Jeph Jacques and John Allison would be notable exceptions.

Is that really weird though? I think most people tell stories from their own experience and as good as some webcomics are, they are generally more 'here is a stupid little story I wanted to put on the nets' rather than 'here is the defining story of our time'.

This comic was pretty funny though. I think it's less about Molly and how Achewood is written and more about the fans, the digression from praising the strip to pointing out flaws to the defense of an argument so immediate that it's obviously been gone over many times rings pretty true for me.
Though if there's a strip that can outcompete achewood for akward pauses it's definitely cat and girl.

[melack]

Cat and Girl is an excellent comic. In fact, it's one of the only three I still read regularly (the other two being Achewood and Penny Arcade).

I love this particular strip, though my favorite Cat and Girl strip still remains Girls Gone Wilde.