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Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« on: March 21, 2008, 04:28:08 pm »

Maybe this isn't the best forum to ask this in, but I don't care. So it's like this: Whenever I change the threshold for hidden lamed comments (or highlighted chubbied ones, for that matter), it doesn't register, and instead always resets to 3 for each. I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.12 on a Mac Mini running Mac OS 10.4.11. Any thoughts? Need any more tedious information about my computer? Want to share some of your own?
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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2008, 04:35:12 pm »

Have you disabled cookies or something similar. If it's simply not retaining the settings that's got to be something to do with your browser settings.
Or it could be a problem on the other end. I've never used it *shrugs*.
Stay here instead.... we'll take care of you.

Edit: We don't have an auto-correct for 'AssetBar' yet? Come on Jough... that's giraffe in a barrel.
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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2008, 05:00:31 pm »

thanks for the tip
i'll try it out now!

We don't have an auto-correct for 'AssetBar' yet? Come on Jough... that's giraffe in a barrel.

I hypothesize that the fix you're contemplating would change it to "AssBar," a term of derision I've only recently encountered and scratched my head over. If you'll indulge the curiosity of a newperson like me, why this generalized hate?
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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2008, 05:04:16 pm »

Possibly it has something to do with the fact that even mildly negative comments are censored.
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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2008, 05:44:18 pm »

thanks for the tip
i'll try it out now!

I hypothesize that the fix you're contemplating would change it to "AssBar," a term of derision I've only recently encountered and scratched my head over. If you'll indulge the curiosity of a newperson like me, why this generalized hate?

Some of us were part of a message board Onstad moderated over at Dumbrella back in knucklehead days.  After a while, he threw us out.  (Why?  You'd have to ask him.  Theories abound.)  That's when we came here.  Then, four years later, he started using AssetBar.  So we are annoyed because we feel like he cast out his old-school, loyal fans in favor if incomprehensible toadies who have nothing better to talk about than how brilliant he is. 

As such, while we pretty much still like the strip, we're ambivalent about its creator and derisive towards AssetBar.  And since our Admin Of Iron-Fistedness creates filters to screen such words as *****, #####, and %%%%%, changing AssetBar to AssBar isn't that great a logical leap. 

That, and the people who post there are idiots.  Sucks to your AssBar! 
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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2008, 05:58:43 pm »

thanks for the tip
i'll try it out now!

I hypothesize that the fix you're contemplating would change it to "AssBar," a term of derision I've only recently encountered and scratched my head over. If you'll indulge the curiosity of a newperson like me, why this generalized hate?

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Welcome valued new member!

Thanks for asking in such a nice way.

There are several reasons you'll find derisions of the Asset Bar here.  Most of it has to do with the difference between an audience (which is what Asset Bar is) and a community (which is what TOUAMB is, aside from an awful abbreviation). 

REASONS
1. Acrimony.  Many of us are refugees from Achewood's first message board and commentary system, the Dumbrella boards.  Onstad dumped the Dumbrella board because he felt:
  a. the discussions had become about the people posting instead of the strip (i.e. he wanted an audience, and got a community)
  b. he didn't necessarily want the community that was forming to represent his work or his audience to new fans.  Whatever impression they had of the boards would carry into their impression of the strip.
Jough, in his endless benevolence made a place for us to play, and he and JL made sure we played nice.  The community that formed is great and still enjoys Achewood, but feels a bit of a sting from being disowned by Onstad.  Now that he's started the Asset Bar business, its like being replaced by a bastard sibling you didn't know you had and you think is kind of ugly.  But acrimony is not a good reason to make fun of the Asset Bar

2. Liking quality.  The Asset Bar discourages quality discussion.  Each topic is only the strip, and only ever one strip, so it's hard to get a sense of history or the interconnectedness of various topics you get in quality human interaction.  It uses terms like 'chubby' and 'lame' as part of its official terminology.  This is juvenile and brainless and worst of all has nothing to do with Achewood.  (There's also the fact that women -- whom I've heard are half of the population -- cannot get chubbies and so the metaphor doesn't even work very well, but that's nit picking.)  Rating a quality observation about a strip with 'chubbies' is like throwing peanuts at an opera singer (or roses at an elephant).  You can have a nice conversation on the Asset Bar; I'm sure you do.  But it's as if the thing doesn't want you to.

3. Disliking unquality.  The horrible nested layout.  The animated booby avatars.  The people whose posts are only phrases from their favorite strips.  The people who pretend to post as Ray.  The very obvious "That's so freaky!!" comments.  The all caps and all exclamation points. The "me too"s.  There's a great deal of what's wrong with the internet encapsulated in each day's comments.

4. The identification and vilification of external enemies.  This is another bad reason.  Part of what groups talk about when they don't have anything else to talk about is how much they hate something that they all hate.  It's fun.

So there you go.  Two good reasons and two bad reasons we make fun of Asset Bar.  Plus.  AssBar.  It's so obvious.  You and anyone else who hangs out there is SO MORE THAN WELCOME to hang out here.  You're encouraged to be whatever you want to be here as long as it's honest, interesting, or amusing.  We like smart things, but we don't turn our noses up at low-brow things if they're actually funny.  We love Achewood, and buy tons of merchandise, but we don't always love Onstad.  We hate the Asset Bar and much of its content, but not its users.  Except for that boobies guy.  Oops, there are two.  Both of them.  And the guy who pretends he's Ray.  Anyway, I'm sure they're nice in person.

And you?  You totally rock.  Welcome.

This essay by Clay Shirky is where I'm getting a lot of this audience/community business.  Here's another one about how a group thwarts itself.

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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2008, 06:03:22 pm »

stuff

As usual, my diplomatic better half says it way better than I could ever have. 

Hope you stick around, Lenoxus.  You seem like Good People. 
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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2008, 06:05:06 pm »

Hope you stick around, Lenoxus.  You seem like Good People. 

There's the den mother we all know and love.
I didn't even realize you were posting.  That's what I get for leaving a reply window open, checking my sources, and writing a danged essay.


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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2008, 06:06:44 pm »

There's the den mother we all know and love.

I had two tired, fussy kids.  They both fell asleep.  I'm much less irritable now. 
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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2008, 09:45:35 pm »

Something lucid and cogent.

Me too! That's so freaky!
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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2008, 10:06:39 pm »


Here's another one[/url] about how a group thwarts itself.

Thanks, that was interesting.
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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2008, 11:07:55 pm »

I would just like to point out how nice it is here, that when someone came to this board and asked for advice on how to go to another board, the closest thing we have to a sworn enemy, and read it in a way that was more pleasing to him, one of our denizens offered him a possible solution. If someone went to Assetbar and said, "Look, guys, I know this isn't the best place to ask this, but I'm getting server errors going to the TOUAMB board. Is anyone else getting that?," I doubt it would be so civil.

Almost makes me want to try. Almost.
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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2008, 12:01:09 am »

To sum up:  in a nut shell, we call it AssBar for the same reason the children from their dad's first marriage call the step-brother their dad had with his new wife an asshole.  It's because he loved us first, and now we're not cute.  It's because he used to take us on the weekends, now he doesn't even call or pay child-support.  Sure he was a dick and he made mom cry all the time, but he's our dad. 

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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2008, 12:26:28 am »

Here's another one about how a group thwarts itself.


Excellent, thought provoking article.
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Re: Assetbar insists on shielding my eyes from lamed comments
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2008, 01:05:25 am »

Excellent, thought provoking article.

Yes, sorry - I posted my last message before reading that article.  Makes me wonder about us... I see we've gone through many of the stages of death throes, but that we've also done a lot of what he prescribes as the best path to prevent collapse too.  Have we gotten "religious" about certain things yet?  I can't tell.  Some of the regulars (myself included) have been "religious" about certain takes on stuff, but there never tends to be a total group agreement, which is healthier, keeps us from getting all Big Brother on each other. 

I had a friend once who was obsessed with vampires.  He got really upset when I told him I would never want to live forever.  There is only so much of life or any aspect of it that I desire to take in.  Nothing should last forever, nor should we work to make it so in my opinion.  I am glad TOUAMB is here, but eternal life or eternal TOUAMB are not something I hope for.
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