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[Nabubrush]

If they go to an 18 game schedule they're gonna need *****ic players.  The physical toll on those guys is enormous.  Even dumping a meaningless preseason game from the schedule, when you add playoffs on top of it - there's gonna be a lot more injuries like Frank Gore's.

True. That doesn't mean they aren't considering shortening the pre-season (mostly played by guys who don't make the team) and lengthening the regular season.

[Choop]

that settles that, then. for the record, i said seven years to be generous. i'm thinking four or five tops in actuality, but since i proposed a bet i figured i'd better hedge a little. if there's no team there in three years, this wager will need to be revisited.

[JorgeFabregas]

Mark me down as not a fan of the 18-game schedule.

[AugustWest]

Why not have an 18 game schedule?  Hell, make it 20.  If these gladiators wear themselves out bashing each other for our entertainment there's a pretty much endless supply clamoring to get the opportunity.  It's not like we're the Romans or something and have to capture foreign slaves to fill our coliseums. Institutionalized adulation and big money will ensure that we always have an ample supply of young men begging for the chance to cripple themselves so we have something to watch on those long winter nights.

[Nabubrush]

It's just going to fuck up the record book even more than when they jumped from 14 to 16. I don't like it *waves cane*

[jaydub]

Maybe so, AW - but its hard enough keeping the cast of characters straight at this point with the 4-6 year career these guys tend to have.  I like knowing there's a guy like Ray Lewis in Baltimore, or Barry Sanders in Detroit, or Steve Largent in Seattle.  Free agency messes it up some with the mobility of players between teams (although its fun to see someone like Randy Moss thrive under one system and flounder in another).  As much as I like the games, it makes me feel bad to see Jim Brown and Joe Namath struggling to get around in their 60s.  Joe Montana's a wreck too, and I watched his slow motion car crash of a career in a combination of horror and amazement at his perseverance as he came back from back surgeries and throwing-arm elbow problems, plus absorbing hit after hit from linebackers and D-linemen.  Maybe I'm too empathetic.

[Nabubrush]

Take a look at Earl the Pearl. Bum Phillips just destroyed that guy.

[AugustWest]

Maybe so, AW - but its hard enough keeping the cast of characters straight at this point with the 4-6 year career these guys tend to have.  I like knowing there's a guy like Ray Lewis in Baltimore, or Barry Sanders in Detroit, or Steve Largent in Seattle.  Free agency messes it up some with the mobility of players between teams (although its fun to see someone like Randy Moss thrive under one system and flounder in another).  As much as I like the games, it makes me feel bad to see Jim Brown and Joe Namath struggling to get around in their 60s.  Joe Montana's a wreck too, and I watched his slow motion car crash of a career in a combination of horror and amazement at his perseverance as he came back from back surgeries and throwing-arm elbow problems, plus absorbing hit after hit from linebackers and D-linemen.  Maybe I'm too empathetic.

What is their pain and suffering compared to my desire for violent entertainment?

[pmcd9]

Mark me down as not a fan of the 18-game schedule.

Take a look at Earl the Pearl. Bum Phillips just destroyed that guy.

As much as I like the games, it makes me feel bad to see Jim Brown and Joe Namath struggling to get around in their 60s.  Joe Montana's a wreck too

Clearly there is too much money in the game.  If the players weren't being paid millions they might retire before they've wrecked themselves.

[Nabubrush]

Ash is right, as far as I can tell. I work with a guy who was the class of his team at Montana State. He's a wheel up here, but he is clearly still tore up that he doesn't play anymore.

On the other hand, Barry Sanders walked away early, as did Jim Brown - of course, they both said all they could say as individual players.

On the third hand, Britfar.

[jaydub]

Barry Sanders said, many years later, that the reason he quit was he couldn't stand the culture of losing that was(is?) prevalent in the Lions organisation.  I don't know why he couldn't ask for a trade, seems like that would have been a reasonable out for him - and any number of teams would have rolled out a golden carpet for him.

[Nabubrush]

My understanding is that Detroit was going to go to hell in a handbasket, but Barry was going to be beside them for the trip no matter what.

[littlefallsmets]

So, the Phillies signed Lee, making their starting four: Lee, Halliday, Oswalt and Hamels?

Hamels is their #4?

The Mets #4 is... Dillon Gee? Ollie fuck*ng Perez?

This one's gonna hurt, isn't it?

[littlefallsmets]

Oh, I'm guessing they're gonna overpay a small handful of pitching flyers with injury issues who will... all end up injured.

There's really no one player left out there who fits the Mets' needs AND that they can afford, post-Madoff.

The Mets need a #2 starting pitcher like a starving man needs food and there ain't none of those left out there. Warrior Needs Food BADLY.

The Mets need a second-baseman who can actually hit a bit but... only one out there is Orlando Hudson and while he's certainly better than the Mets internal options, (a) he's old for a middle infielder and isn't what he used to be and (b) he's probably too rich for the ownership's blood.

The Mets need two or three fuckin' actual goddamned quality relievers, especially a quality lefty specialist.

They'll probably do something fuck*ng stupid like throw Rafael Soriano more years than he wants but more years than anyone else would give him and then announce he needs Tommy John surgery in March. Or fuckin' Carl Pavano. Or fuck fuck fuckin' Brad Penny.

Maybe they'll get lucky with some relievers, I don't know.

[littlefallsmets]

It is a little known fact that "Beltre" is Dominican for "only tries during walk years".