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[miles]

Anyone interested at all in the concept of mansplaining or contemporary feminism should probably read (or re-read) the (very short) piece that arguably inspired the term:

https://www.guernicamag.com/daily/rebecca-solnit-men-explain-things-to-me/

Solnit didn't coin the term, and doesn't exactly endorse it in the new foreward, but the essay explains why the behavior is more than just socially awkward or even insulting and is quite dangerous when carried to its extreme.

But read it if you haven't, she's smarter and a much better writer than me and does a much better job explaining it.

Also, not to minimize wombat's obviously very valuable contributions to the board,  but it's a fuck*ng shame that JL and sMells apparently have too much going on in their real lives right now to be posting because we'd really benefit from their unique views on the subject. A shame for us, but hopefully wonderful for them.

[AugustWest]

Do you know what you call a person who treats another person badly because of the way they were born?

An asshole.

[theinevitable]

Yes, I am sure that the more specific use describes a thing that happens. But I constantly see people using it in a way like "a man tried to explain a thing."

[Carlos del Vaca]

Also, not to minimize wombat's obviously very valuable contributions to the board,  but it's a fuck*ng shame that JL and sMells apparently have too much going on in their real lives right now to be posting because we'd really benefit from their unique views on the subject. A shame for us, but hopefully wonderful for them.

1000x this.

[pmcd9]

OTOH, sometimes you're just a guy trying to have a conversation and suddenly you're sexist.

I know, right. You just can't win with these bitches.

[wombat]

1000x this.

Yeah, it's lonely sometimes.

[pmcd9]

Well It seems that Smells is enjoying being a mother. And I hope that JL is enjoying having more sex than all of us.

[jaydub]

QFT
It's sad because I do think I could add value to feminist conversations, but apparently I'm not only unwanted, I'm a better strawman and whipping boy.

I will say that there can be a very thin line between "mansplaining" and "a man saying something to a woman." The former does happen and is no doubt obnoxious as crap to be on the receiving end of. OTOH, sometimes you're just a guy trying to have a conversation and suddenly you're sexist.

[wombat]

Yeah, sucks to have your input devalued just because of your gender, huh? A few centuries of that, and you might find yourself being a little hypersensitive too.

[Carlos del Vaca]

Yeah, sucks to have your input devalued just because of your gender, huh? A few centuries of that, and you might find yourself being a little hypersensitive too.

ZING!

[jaydub]

Et tu, Wombat?

[pmcd9]

Spent the day with my parents yesterday. That's a really long story, but here's one snippet that is interesting. At one point I was privy to my dad expounding on when Jesus was crucified. It's something I've heard a few times before. He postulates that he must have been buried on Thursday because he was in the tomb and was risen on Sunday. This is controversial because conventional wisdom has him buried during Passover (Friday). I offered that maybe it was like Hendrix at Woodstock who was scheduled to play on Sunday, but didn't actually go on until Monday morning. Not sure this was really received that well. My folks, especially my dad are super touchy about anything they perceive as mocking their religion.

The whole thing though in a weird way kinda reminded me of this Louis CK stand up routine where he's arguing with his wife over where to look for their daughter in a game of hide and go seek when she's hiding in plain sight. At least that's how it felt to me, trying to play along while thinking, how about none of the above because it never happened at all.

[pmcd9]

I went to a Gospel Singing with my parents on Saturday. At the midpoint of the show they stopped the singing and each of the three acts took turns promoting their merchandise. They took up about 15 minutes of the show with this. I'd never seen anything so shameless. It was KISS level huckstering. These two items were among the products on offer by the headliners Legacy 5.

I won't even go into how antagonistic that t-shirt is. I'll just let it stand on it's own. I will say that they know it's antagonistic because they said "If you want to see people turn and walk the other way wear this shirt."

But that Bible though. The leader of Legacy 5, Scott Fowler said he made a deal with the publisher. To get the price down he had to purchase 6,000 copies, so naturally he was really pushing that particular item extra hard.

It's called the American Patriot Bible because for some reason it contains quotes and biographies from the Founding Fathers of the  United States. It's purpose is to foster the idea that America is a Christian country, to try and tear down the wall separating Church and State. There is a strain of Christianity that hates the fact that their discredited ideas are losing ground with the American public, particularly where LGBT rights are concerned.

I love gospel singing and was really enjoying the performance, all three of the groups were fantastic singers. The voices and the harmonies filled me with gladness. Then Scott Fowler, the leader of Legacy 5, the headliners, stopped the show to talk. This was before even the intermission infomercial. He wanted to tell us a story which involved he and his wife's decision to pull their children out of public school and and home school them instead. He gave as his primary reason that they no longer teach the children anything about the Constitution, or the founding fathers, particularly, their Christian faith. Then he pulled out this Bible which he uses to educate his kids. He cited as an example Patrick Henry. He quoted from the book

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!"

While sitting in the Pews I Googled this phrase. Turns out it's fake.

After that I found it very difficult to enjoy the music.

[AugustWest]

"Christians" like this just baffle me.  Jesus was all about loving everybody, nnn-kay.  These folks are about as loving as a barbed wire hand grenade.

[pmcd9]

These folks are about as loving as a barbed wire hand grenade.

And what they want for this country would destroy us. Separation of Church and State is the absolute genius of our founding fathers. If America were to become a Christian Nation as these people fantasize about, do they think that everyone outside of Christianity is going to just take it lying down? It's insanity.

But the reason I posted this here in the Shit my _____ says thread is because they've apparently created a Bible filled with forwarded emails from your right wing racist uncle.