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[wombat]

You're definitely not a lost cause, but it can be tough to overcome not growing up with all the disadvantages.

I had a friend whose father said when she was trying to decide where to go to grad school, "Just get your first PhD." Like he thought, just worry about it later, I guess.

[Victoria Waterfield]

So there are different ways to tie a tie? On the rare occasion I wear one I tie it the way that was in the cub scout handbook circa 1988.

There was a Nature paper about this. That link probably won't give you the whole article unless you're affiliated with a University, but here's the wikipedia article about the book the authors wrote on the same subject.

[Arachno-capitalist]

No you're not a lost cause at all. You're primed and ready for some action.

[Doc]

It's one of those lessons that would best serve the people who don't have to learn them. I just got my end of year results back and I was a few percentage points shy of bumping up to the next grade, which I'm sure I could have done if I wasn't working to pay my rent and eat as well as studying, but would I have appreciated the extra time if I hadn't had to work? Probably not, probably would have spent my extra time playing video games or something.
I'm got accommodation at a hospital next year and so I won't have to work (or at least not as much) so I guess we'll see if I've learned anything.

While we're correlating work-ethic vs. tie knowledge I learned how to tie a windsor at age 11 and used it exclusively for years as I'd decided it was the 'proper' way of tying a tie but I've started switching it up with a four in hand because it makes one look less of a prat.

[Victoria Waterfield]

While we're correlating work-ethic vs. tie knowledge I learned how to tie a windsor at age 11 and used it exclusively for years as I'd decided it was the 'proper' way of tying a tie but I've started switching it up with a four in hand because it makes one look less of a prat.

Oddly enough, of all the tie knots, the Pratt knot is only the fourth most likely to make one look like a prat.

[theinevitable]

reading these wikipedia pages, I do a four-in-hand. When my dad taught me he apologized that he didn't know how to tie a tie the "grown up" way.

[Nabubrush]

 

I'm glad I was already sitting down. This whole time I've been tying a Pratt knot, not a half-Windsor.

(Apologies for the smiley, but I'm pretty shaken right now.)

[jay-ell]

Mom taught me the Half-Windsor, but I also learned the four-in-hand when I was working at the aforementioned restaurant because it was quicker to do while walking from my car to the employee entrance.

[Turbo Ninja]

My dad taught me the half-Windsor years ago.  But about 15 years back, GQ or Esquire published an item with four different ways to tie your tie.  I tried them all and settled on the Shelby knot, in which you start with the back side of the tie facing out. 

Turns out I've been using the Shelby knot for years without knowing the name.  A Can, fair Mayor, for enlightening me.

[littlefallsmets]

Sounds like more of a.... Shelbyknot thing.

[Arachno-capitalist]

I tie nothing but a full on windsor. The reason for this is simple, it allows me to not button the top button of my shirt.

[Choop]

a-cap i used my first full windsor this winter, with a tux and vest, and i couldn't stand it with the top button done. thanks for the tip.

[wombat]

A-Cap is subverting the system from within.

[Nabubrush]

I was always of the understanding that the full windsor is sort of the king of knots. It's a pretty stout tie, that's for sure.

[Arachno-capitalist]

Yeah theres like no tail on that kind of knot if you wear the length of the tie down to your belt buckle.