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[AugustWest]

Until that happens, thanks for sharing your opinion.

Sorry if I was snarky, bro.

[pmcd9]

Obama has a brewery in the White House

[Choop]

OH DEAR GOD NOT THAT WHERE DOES HE GET OFF
(he also has a 24/7 kitchen staff and omg a vegetable garden)
(i bet that jerk even has flies on a private plane when us plebes gotta fly coach)

i have six neighbors that brew beer. it makes for fun times, and apparently it's easy and cheap to do. mrs|choop has an ex that used to brew, so that's off the table for me due to respect for feelings.

seriously asking here: is there some kind of problem with a white house home brew?

[AugustWest]

What!!! Obama is breathing oxygen now!!!???

The nerve!  How's that hopey-changey thing working out for you libs now, huh?

[pmcd9]

seriously asking here: is there some kind of problem with a white house home brew?

Some might have a problem with it. I think it's pretty fuck*ng cool.

[AugustWest]

I think that just beats the piss all out of Billy Beer, f'sure.

Billy Beer was made in Louisville and was essentially Falls City.

Even though I don't drink anymore, I miss local/regional beers and I'm glad they're making a comeback.

[Arachno-capitalist]

I've only heard this from my right-wing friends. One of the statuses yesterday was something like "Paul Ryan is awesome and if you would just read The Fountainhead/Atlas Shrugged you would understand why." If that isn't calling him Randian I don't know what is.

Calling him Randian would be calling him Randian. Saying if you read her books you would have a better understanding of where he is coming from is just that. You see, Rand was clearly against anything like "Randianism" or "Randian". "Randian Hero" might fly because its just a literary description.

[miles]

seriously asking here: is there some kind of problem with a white house home brew?

Who is saying it is a problem? I guess it was called a "startling observation" in the article, but is this seriously getting negative press elsewhere? That's silly. Tell you what though, that brewery just went to the top of Romney's "things to throw out the first day" list, right above Obamacare.

Calling him Randian would be calling him Randian. Saying if you read her books you would have a better understanding of where he is coming from is just that. You see, Rand was clearly against anything like "Randianism" or "Randian". "Randian Hero" might fly because its just a literary description.

I have read that Ryan explicitly rejected Objectivism as a philosophy and said that he basically just liked her novels (here, for example), but there are videos of him going on and on about her.

There does seem to be quite a few religious conservatives who claim Rand as a strong influence, and I think LFM made a good point that it's strange for an observant Christian to strongly identify with a philosophy incompatible with Christianity. You could say that they are cafeteria Objectivists, but the ideas central to Objectivism are the rejection of altruism and the moral superiority of selfishness. The ideas that some tea partiers associate with Rand, like small government and the free market, have older and stronger roots elsewhere.

[AugustWest]

My theory is that the Tea Party is a Dada political party.  It's intentionally absurdist, so contradictory beliefs like "the virtue of selgiraffeness" and "love thy neighbor as thyself" are de rigeur.

[pmcd9]

I think my initial question about Ryan still remains. Is he well spoken? Is he intelligent? I don't want to take Dennis Miller's word for it and I don't want to have to listen to him speak either. So, you know, what's the truth here?

[Doc]

I have read that Ryan explicitly rejected Objectivism as a philosophy and said that he basically just liked her novels

Is that meant to be a point in his favour? I've only read Atlas Shrugged and found the philosophy quite interesting, largely since it was my first exposure to objectivism, but that was not a well written book.


Why yes I do think bad literary taste is worse than nasty political ideologies. Snob 2012!

[wombat]

I don't want to take Dennis Miller's word for it and I don't want to have to listen to him speak either.

Following up on my earlier point... is it too much to ask that in this great country of ours, a major political party can pick a nominee that doesn't make a person feel this way?  We only have two parties and only need to find a total of four humans beings to fill up the presidential election tickets. It's not that many, it can't be that hard.

[Choop]

wants the job vs. should be trusted with it etc.

[wombat]

I know, I know... but we're just talking about FOUR people in a country of how many million? There really aren't four reasonable, qualified people who could be convinced to run who aren't in it for purely crappy reasons?

[pmcd9]

There is but they can't muster up the gumption to feed people made up lies and pander to the lies people tell themselves.

You'd think there would be loads of well spoken, intelligent, evil people who are more than up to the task.  I know it's too much to expect our leaders to tell us the truth, but I can't believe it's too much to ask that they at least don't sound like a fuck*ng pinhead while they are lying to us.

We need another Nixon. Man, that guy was good.