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Is so shallow! - 25 February 2004
« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2004, 02:39:01 pm »
i've been using audiocatalyst for years now, not sure what version it is though.  back when i used audiograbber it took like a day to encode a cd to mp3, but then i got audiocatalyst which is just audiograbber together with xing mp3 codec and ever since it's taken me about 20 minutes to rip a full cd to mp3 :)

i won't discuss how my mp3 collection is organized, however.
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Is so shallow! - 25 February 2004
« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2004, 02:47:04 pm »
Quote from: "misterhaan"
but then i got audiocatalyst which is just audiograbber together with xing mp3 codec and ever since it's taken me about 20 minutes to rip a full cd to mp3 :)


Yea. The Xing codec sucks though.
And anyway, 20 minutes!? That's based on your specs mainly then.
I can grab an entire CD to 192 full stereo, high quality lame encoding in well, about 10 seconds per track.
It literally takes me no more than about 3 minutes from inserting the CD to spitting it back out.
Maybe a second or two longer if I use FreeDB to get the titles.

(disclosure: I am running about as good a machine as can be without switching to 64bit however, so I guess...)
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Is so shallow! - 25 February 2004
« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2004, 03:13:34 pm »
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Somewhere I lost my way. Now I sit here, awake, avoiding studying for a low-level math exam, which I will not understand very well, but probably get an A on after an eventful night of drinking, procrastanating, and eventually, studying. Is there some AA-type group I can join for being pathetic? I was double-fisting a beer and a mug of tension tamer tea just so I could phone a girl this evening.

I get you. Entirely.

I think an AA-type group for being pathetic is up there with a home for scared people on my list of really good ideas. Given how things are going right now (sad, sad, sadder), I'd join in a heartbeat.
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Is so shallow! - 25 February 2004
« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2004, 03:29:38 pm »
Quote from: "misterhaan"
i've been using audiocatalyst for years now, not sure what version it is though.  back when i used audiograbber it took like a day to encode a cd to mp3, but then i got audiocatalyst which is just audiograbber together with xing mp3 codec and ever since it's taken me about 20 minutes to rip a full cd to mp3 :)

i won't discuss how my mp3 collection is organized, however.


Audiocatalyst was written by Jackie Franck (sp?) who then left the company to create AG, which is why the GUIs are so similar (and why AG just now became freeware). AC has not been developed or refine in any way since about '98 while AG now has things like CD-TEXT support and alternative TOC readers to rip copy-protected discs.

And yes, Xing is faster than LAME or ogg but that's because it's quick and sloppy. Even on my 4-year-old machine LAME can still create a standard mp3* a minute or so. Xing might work in 30-seconds but I'm not willing to take the huge hit in quality.


*that is -alt preset standard, or VBR quality 2. Which is generally around 192 on average.

(potential split?)
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Is so shallow! - 25 February 2004
« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2004, 03:30:21 pm »
I don't know shit about that other stuff, but of course my CDs and DVDs are stored in cardboard boxes right now. But when they're out, they have to be alphabetized or I go stupid.
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Is so shallow! - 25 February 2004
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2004, 06:11:37 pm »
And what the hell do you use to play Ogg Vorbis files on your PC?  I really love me my Winamp, but it's a no-go.

I use CD 'N' Go for ripping - you can use any number of encoders, it has a dizzying array of features to control every tiny aspect of your rip, and it's free.
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Is so shallow! - 25 February 2004
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2004, 06:41:10 pm »
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And what the hell do you use to play Ogg Vorbis files on your PC?  I really love me my Winamp, but it's a no-go.

I use CD 'N' Go for ripping - you can use any number of encoders, it has a dizzying array of features to control every tiny aspect of your rip, and it's free.


I was pretty sure that Winamp had a built-in ogg decoder so I check vorbis.com and it confirms that. How recent a build of Winamp do you have?
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Is so shallow! - 25 February 2004
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2004, 08:32:10 pm »
Perhaps there is a problem with the Ogg V. files that I've produced.

I shall endevour to download one from another source and try it again.
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Is so shallow! - 25 February 2004
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2004, 09:55:02 pm »
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Perhaps there is a problem with the Ogg V. files that I've produced.

I shall endevour to download one from another source and try it again.


I can't promise these songs are any good but the files should at least be valid: http://www.vorbis.com/music.psp
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Is so shallow! - 25 February 2004
« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2004, 12:17:09 am »
My copy of Winamp plays Ogg files fine; probably whatever the latest version is will do you fine.
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Is so shallow! - 25 February 2004
« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2004, 02:36:01 am »
Yeah, I figured it out.  I had disabled the output plugin for Ogg.

I've ripped a few CDs in both Ogg and MP3 to try them out, and out of the three I tried:

Frank Sinatra: Live at the Sands
Mozart: Requiem
Radiohead: Kid A

The results were:

No discernable difference.
Ogg Vorbis.
Ogg Vorbis by a landslide.

I've always had problems with Kid A and mp3 - certain tracks always crackled and clipped.  Very strange.  No problem with Ogg Vorbis.

Oh, and the file sizes with the Ogg Vorbis (default settings in Audiograbber) and MP3 (192kb) were about 20% smaller than mp3.

But will Ogg Vorbis, with its alien-sounding name, become as ubiquitous as MP3?  Time will tell.  But I don't see any other standard taking hold, especially since everyone wants to either try to make money from the deal, or else institute some kind of Digital Rights Management to restrict how you can use or copy a file (like, say, iTunes, or WMA).

Anything that is more restrictive than MP3 will fail.  People are used to the freedom - they're not going to embrace a format that restricts playback.
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Is so shallow! - 25 February 2004
« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2004, 03:10:54 am »
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But will Ogg Vorbis, with its alien-sounding name, become as ubiquitous as MP3?  Time will tell.  But I don't see any other standard taking hold, especially since everyone wants to either try to make money from the deal, or else institute some kind of Digital Rights Management to restrict how you can use or copy a file (like, say, iTunes, or WMA).

Anything that is more restrictive than MP3 will fail.  People are used to the freedom - they're not going to embrace a format that restricts playback.


The problem is people like Sony and Apple have lots of reasons to make equipment that only supports more restrictive formats while people are likely to support ogg as they learn about it because it's totally free which even mp3 cannot boast.

We need to see what hits critical mass first. Ogg has been steadily moving up for the past couple of years but I don't know if it'll ever really reach the mainstream Littlest Groom/Kazaa/"what's a primary?" types out there.
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Is so shallow! - 25 February 2004
« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2004, 07:59:08 am »
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I don't know if it'll ever really reach the mainstream Littlest Groom/Kazaa/"what's a primary?" types out there.

Hah, my new classification is "mainstream Littlest Groom Kazaa whats a primary type".
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