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Trivial Pursuits => Arts & Entertainment => Topic started by: dejavroom on July 17, 2008, 04:41:40 pm
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Considering how much I hated Batman Begins (I hated it a lot, if you're wondering), it's utterly annoying and ridiculous how fuck*ng pumped I am to see this one. Gah! Has anyone seen this yet, or has plans to see it? I'll catch it tomorrow and then I'll let the internet know...
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Everyone I know who's seen it so far loved the hell out of it but thought that it was really really dark, much darker than they originally thought.
I reckon I'll see a matinee of it Sunday. I hate seeing movies with big "opening weekend" crowds.
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This movie has been printing me piles of cash on hsx.com and CNBC just did a story about its impact on national productivity so Id say theres a more than fair amount of hype out there. I'm with LFM though on the crowd thing. Ill see it next week some time.
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I saw it last night (which was MEANT to be opening night until they put in some wednesday night sessions after I pre-purchased my tickets and couldn't refund them damnit) and it was actually really good. I've been hearing a lot of hype for it so I was excited but I assumed I pretty much knew how it was going to shake out. I was thrilled therefore when it actually surprised me more than once, a couple of things happened in there I just didn't expect and it all worked really well.
I didn't leave feeling like it was a spiritual experience or anything but it is a very well crafted movie and looking back it reinforces it's themes really well without being too heavy handed about it (for a superhero movie).
My only criticism is that it is loooooong and you feel it. Not because you get bored but because they hype the action up early and keep it going at a pretty steady pace so I kept trying to decide if this scene would be the climax or not.
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I'm looking forward to owning an unreasonable number of DVD copies of this film when it comes out.
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Also people should check out the watchmen trailer, apparently it was ahead of the dark knight in the US but we didn't see it here.
Luckily the internet has my back (http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/watchmen/watchmen-tlr1_h720p.mov).
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Goddamn it, the Watchmen movie was not supposed to happen until I was famous enough to play the second fatter Nite Owl.
I was also supposed to play Mark in "RENT" but... that's probably good because, like, as much as I was born to play that role as well, playing a guy in a rubber owl suit would be a lot more masculine than being in "RENT".
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LFM, do you like rent?
Because if you do I will have a lot of opinions about it, as is my wont.
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I enjoyed the energy of RENT, certainly, and the songs were catchy.
The "book" as it were was... uneven, of course, and ridiculously unrealistic about living on the edge and living with disease.
But if you give yourself into the vibe and the tunes and glaze over the junior-high-ish-ness of its rebellious spirit...
I enjoyed it. The movie version, less so.
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They got the Joker right. This is exceptionally difficult, even in comic form, but they did it for this movie.
The movie was so long and dark that it took me a good half hour to adjust to daylight outside, but it was still really good.
Did I mention they hit the mark on the Joker?
'cause they did.
And that never happens.
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This was the perfect Batman film. They got everything right but the bat-crest on the uniform, and Bale's Batman voice grates a bit in a monologue. (I liked Batman Begins too, but I never knew much about Ra's Al Ghul).
Everything else - the Joker, his scams and escapades, Two-Face, the look and feel of Gotham, the tools and tricks... and the performances, most of all. Bale's a great Bruce and Batman, Maggie Gyllenhaal (sp) gives Rachel infinite more depth than Katie Holmes (granted, small feat), Eckhart is superb as both Dent and Two-Face, and Ledger is just absolutely fuck*ng astonishing as the Joker. His second scene (with the magic trick) floored me in a way I haven't experienced in years. And while Memento showed the world that Chris Nolan is a good director, this movie might cement him in the hall of Great Directors - at least, if he can follow this one up with something outside the bat-world that's just as impressive. There were a lot of little touches that made this film this good.
The only complaint I've heard is that Nolan has fucked with the backstory too much. On one hand, I agree, but on the other hand, I don't really give a rat's ass. He's made a better Batman film than Burton now, and much of it relied on that fuck*ng-around he did. He's improved it.
And now, after seeing this, I'm kind of disappointed not to have ever really watched a Heath Ledger movie before. Looking at his filmography, I can see why I skipped them. Anybody know of any performances he gave that would be of a similar caliber?
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Anybody know of any performances he gave that would be of a similar caliber?
Yeah. Brokeback Mountain. Have fun.
Mega-dittoes on the Dark Knight sentiments.
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Just saw. Really good.
Only difficulty was that most of the people I talked to made it sound like a fuckin' religious experience and so... like... when it's only a really really good movie, you have this weird minor let-down thing going on.
Some of the double-switches were too telegraphed for my taste but... I know that some people like that sort of thing so I might not be the target audience for that kinda writing.
Amazing Joker, of course. Almost can't do a story with a "young" Joker for a looooooong fuckin' time.
Maybe Dark Knight Returns with David Bowie or Michael Keaton as Old Joker.
That's as close as we could get. Dude was too spot on.
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Maybe Dark Knight Returns with David Bowie or Michael Keaton as Old Joker.
That's the conclusion some friends and I came too after seeing it, as in Dark Knight returns (or something in the same vein) is the logical next movie in this universe. The villian really makes the film and I can't think of a Batman villian that would work as well in Nolan's universe (Penguin or Catwoman seem most likely but Penguin couldn't have the same interplay with batman that joker has and catwoman couldn't be as threatening). It also kind of works in that Dark Knight completes what batman begins started and brings the franchise up to the status quo most people are familiar with so jumping ahead in time and tearing it down again seems almost more logical than just making another movie that's now basically in the same world we've seen a bunch of times before.
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I know Bale has expressed supreme vitriol at the idea of having a Robin involved in these films. Trouble is, he, Nolan, and Oldman (and Caine?) are under contract for a third film in this series-- who the hell can they use as the villains? Joker's the only one strong enough to be the sole villain (Begins had Ra's and Scarecrow), and Burton used Penguin plus Catwoman in Returns (which I hated), and none of the rest are as famous, popular, or strong.
So here's what I'm guessing, spoiler'd. [SPOILER]Harley Quinn tries to break Joker out of Arkham but kills him in the effort, freeing Penguin and ...Two-Face. Yeah, Dent had a funeral but this is the movies, people, and it could make sense that Dent didn't die. The three of them conspire to kill the bat: Harley Quinn and Two-Face for revenge, Penguin for profit.[/SPOILER]
edit: Doc you posted while I was typing, and I kind of agree. Also, somebody hinted at the Riddler in the next one but I just can't see it.
HIDDEN BONUS CASTING GUESSES:
Harley Quinn: Amy Adams or Sarah Polley
Penguin: Adrien Brody
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Semi Spoilers for TDK (but if you care you probably saw it already):
I was expecting Two Face to be the villian of the third but now I feel if they just go 'just kidding' and bring him back it would really cheapen the ending of TDK. My problem with either Harley Quinn or the Riddler is that it would be hard not to make them feel like Joker-lite.
Although if they had the guts to take the Riddler and just make it all cat and penis without a necessarily a big showy action sequence finale that could work. Apparently the riddler's real name (which I can't remember just now) is mentioned in the movie as one of Waynecorp's new hires.
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Riddler is Edward Nigma. And they can't have a batman movie without a big showy action sequence. That'd be box office suicide.
Part of the challenge Batman would face would be to keep Two-Face from sullying Dent's reputation.
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I knew Nigma, but that wasn't the name mentioned in the movie. Wikipedia tells me is one of his aliases is Nashton which sounds right.
I'd still be uneasy about the two-face thing, it would just feel a cheap tease since they didn't even hint he was still alive at the end.
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I'm so happy they finally got Batman's universe right (Gordon now is a real cop hooray!) that I don't even care about a sequel. But we all like speculation, and I have to say I was thinking about how well Nolan could handle a gritty horror movie. Because - Clayface and Man-bat, man...
(Of course this would derail the thing with the lofty themes and morality shenanigans that they're so fond of. On the other hand you could have something along the lines of "the human side" winning over the beast...)
Only difficulty was that most of the people I talked to made it sound like a fuckin' religious experience and so... like... when it's only a really really good movie.
Yes (although to Batman fans like me it was very close to a religious experience*, but that's our excuse. All the time I was in the theater, it felt like I was being benignly raped, if this makes sense). All the critics and casual moviegoers that wouldn't give two shits about Batman normally, treating the film like manna from heaven really got on my nerves (for instance, a critic saying that the movie "went where the comics didn't dare to go"). Christ...
* - I never had a religious experience, so those of you who have had one, feel free to pounce on my head.
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I saw it at the first showing in the IMAX here (and took off from work the next day - contributing to that national lapse in productivity) and again last night. It's the best Batman movie ever. I think the obvious villain for the next film is the Joker again, but would they re-cast it now that Ledger's dead? Even though Ledger wasn't the first Joker, anyone else who takes the role is going to either mimic his performance or pale in comparison.
What I noticed the second time around were the little subtleties in the corners of the Joker - those sideways "WTF?" glances, the wheels spinning, just the sheer *intelligence* behind the mayhem that is way scarier than most movie villains (especially during that one video scene where he's torturing the fake Batman).
Yeah, it's such a harrowing and bleak film that I can't believe it was made by a major studio. Bergman couldn't make a bleaker Batman film.
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I loved the business with all the... verbal tics and lip-smacking from the scars.
And, of course, the fine tradition that the Joker would never stick to one origin story and probably is too insane to even remember the "actual" one.
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I was really irritated that they trotted out a lame-ass origin story early on, and then really pleased and vindicated when he told two alternate tales over the course of the film.
I usually see these kinds of movies with Pedro, and come away feeling like I really should learn more about comic books. This time I saw the film with a friend, and came away feeling like I know way too much about comic books. She is fairly nerdy herself, but even she was horrified when Gordon appeared to be dead. (Seriously? You don't know that he becomes Commissioner later? That is Basic Comic Knowledge, folks.)
Also, when I saw the movie the theater was full of teenagers, and my friend and I were the only ones who laughed at:
"Sonar? Just like a..."
"Submarine. Just like a submarine."
Science.
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Goddamn it, the Watchmen movie was not supposed to happen until I was famous enough to play the second fatter Nite Owl.
I was also supposed to play Mark in "RENT" but... that's probably good because, like, as much as I was born to play that role as well, playing a guy in a rubber owl suit would be a lot more masculine than being in "RENT".
I know how this feels. You see, I was supposed to play Wolverine, but I was twenty years too young. Maybe in fifteen years marvel will have another another go at it, since the X-men movies sucked hoss c*ckes, but probably not, because the new Logan-centric film will probably rock.
But whatever. Seriously, though, I am Wolverine. Five-foot-three (his exact height), caucasian, dark hair and eyes, hirsute, muscular, surly. It was meant to be. Well, I guess I can always be the most accurate Logan at Comic-Con. But that's bound to get old after a while... Kind of like this post.
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I can always be the most accurate Logan at Comic-Con.
Was that you I saw on Sunday?
Sad thing is there's no way to confirm this.
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dark knight @ imax tomorrow
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I finally saw it, but in a regular theatre. The closest IMAX (the Air & Space Museum's Chantilly campus) charges $12/ticket and $12 for parking. Whereas two tickets at a regular theatre cost $14.
Anyway, I did really enjoy it but I almost think all the buzz set my expectations so high that I practically expected the movie to come with a free blowjob.
This might be my imagination but I swear the "here's my card" line is different in the commercial than in the movie.
I'll bite JL, why is the submarine line funny?
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You know where engineers got the idea to use sonar/echolocation in submarines?
Bats.
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You know where engineers got the idea to use sonar/echolocation in submarines?
Bats.
Ah. I thought it was weird he said submarine instead of bat, but I was thinking it was a callback to some other Morgan Freeman movie that I haven't seen. Like March of the Penguins. Or the Shawshank Redemption. Or really any of his movie ever.
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You know where engineers got the idea to use sonar/echolocation in submarines?
Bats.
Yes, weird that one. Then again, that's the magic of a Chris Nolan script. Just don't look too close and everything will be fine...
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No, that mas not me. I was not there this year.
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I thought the submarine/bat thing was intentional, Christian Bale is about to say 'Just like a bat' and Morgan Freeman corrects him with 'Submarine'.
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Yeah, that was my read of it.
Bruce was gonna go for the obvious, Lucius interrupted with the subtle, hence the funny.
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imax was great, they blended the 35mm film with the 70mm imax format beautifully. the sequences filmed in 70mm weren't noticeably crisper or that much more detailed, but they lent a certain grandeur of scope to those scenes - primarily the major action sequences and wide helicopter-style shots.
also when the hell did lucius fox say he hired ed nygma? i didn't hear this line either time i saw the dark knight, but it's been floating around the intarwubs like it was pictures of miley cyrus.
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Yeah I can't either. I think what it may all actually be in reference to is some of the viral marketing stuff that came out before the movie. One of the things they did was an edition of the "Gotham Times" and that contained a letter from 'Edward Nashton' but then it also contained an ad for the 'Iceberg lounge' which is a penguin reference. On top of that I doubt the viral marketing stuff had anything to do with Nolan et al anyway.
Another probably meaningless reference that people are probably reading too much into: The guy who figures out who batman is is called 'Mr. Reese' or mysteries. So some people are saying he might be the riddler but I don't see it, partly because they've stick broadly to the comics so far as far as names and so on go but mainly because that guy wasn't a very interesting character so I don't want to see him again.
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This might be my imagination but I swear the "here's my card" line is different in the commercial than in the movie.
Not your imagination - a LOT of the lines or scenes from the trailers were of different takes or angles than were used in the actual film. I found it kinda disturbing, since I'd seen the trailers a few thousand times so the film sounded "wrong" to me.
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this is why i don't watch trailers
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Here's a little secret that is probably obvious:
Often its not even that they took that kind of stuff from rough cut stuff that didn't end up in the released movie... occasionally, they actually loop new lines and line deliveries for the purposes of more suscinct premise-summary in the trailers and ads.
Sometimes they even shoot them on-set, if the marketing plan is rolling before the picture's in the can, such as with a Batman superblockbuster... but more usually, they sneak them in with the lines they're re-recording for the purposes of the main film.
If you don't have much pull, of course, even the director and producer have no creative input on the trailers and stuff because they're considered a product of the distributor and not the filmmaker... though if you have leverage, it can be very different.
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Finally saw this last night (the wife 'n' kids are out of town, I said "I'm going to a movie in an actual theater! Whooo!"). Agree with much of previous commentary--they pretty well knocked this one out of the park. Ledger for Best Supporting Actor, please.
I was really irritated that they trotted out a lame-ass origin story early on, and then really pleased and vindicated when he told two alternate tales over the course of the film.
Agreed, and I'm glad I'm not making stuff up here. I read (post-viewing) Ebert's review where he calls out the Joker's treatment by his father, and I went "wait, he told at least two stories for how he got his scars, and was starting on another when Batman punched him in the face or something."
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There are, however, two things that bugged me in the movie. Hidden for spoilery-ness, though I'd hope anyone who hasn't seen the movie but wants to has the good sense to avoid this topic altogether as I've done for several weeks.
1. When the Joker crashes the Harvey Dent fundraiser at Bruce's place, Batman ends up jumping off the balcony to save Rachel. So what happens with the Joker still upstairs? Does he rob everyone? Kill people at random? Or does he just say "Well.... bye!"
2. I know, it's a movie, you're supposed to suspend your disbelief for the duration. But when the Joker blows up the hospital, it's not just one big bomb, it's a somewhat controlled detonation across the entire hospital. I know he has a tremendous amount of cash, and has an uncanny ability to pull off capers, but you're telling me that the Joker, or his minions, were able to plant ALL those explosives around the hospital and not be discovered, either in the act or after they were planted?
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Well, carlos, (whited out to prevent spoilers)in the case of number 2, he was dressed as a nurse, so, I'm sure he had lots of time. I mean, didn't you notice how well he rocked the swagger of wearing that cute little dress?
What really bothered me was, how come every phone in Gotham could do that sonar thing. Did everyone buy new phones? Otherwise, I find it really hard to believe the technology was preexisting in the majority of phones to do that.
In the end, I really enjoyed Health Ledger's performance, even though I went in very skeptical with all the buzz. I didn't really like Bale's performance - the way he differentiated his voice between when he was Wayne and when he was Batman really annoyed me.
Another thing that really bothered me was the way they used Gordon's family to manipulate the audience emotionally. I mean, the wife is basically a non-character who we see weeping from sorrow, then joy, like emotional tags of how we're supposed to feel. Under analysis, when he goes to his wife to reveal that he's not really dead, it's within seconds that Two Face plunges to his death, and Gordon instantly comes running behind Batman to check out the corpse where it fell. Dude, you let your wife and child believe you were dead, and you're all "Hey, honey, I'm not dead after all - oooh hold on a sec. There'll be time for hugs and explanations later, I want to go look at a dead body with my buddy Batman. Oh, and never mind protecting our son from the horrible gore of seeing a corpse, just let him run out of the apartment behind me. Seeing Two Face lying dead and mangled in a pool of his own blood won't scar him for life, especially if he can catch another glimpse of Batman! I mean, how cool is that?" That sort of writing short hand... I dunno. I think it's unnecessary to hold up simplified flashcards for an audience about what they're supposed to feel like that. But maybe that's just me.
I did enjoy it for what it was, as a popcorn flick. I think it's a little soon for some of the declarations I've heard in the media of this film as a classic just because it made a lot of money. Great films, the real greats that stand out over time, they're a little more ambiguous than this one, they leave the door opened so that 10, 20 years from now you can still watch it and ask questions of the art and of yourself. They leave a window open so that your impression can change, so that it means different things to you at different points in your life and I don't feel like this flick does that.
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The voice thing bothered me just because his Batman voice made me want to cough. I'm sure a DC-geek knows more about this than I do, but apparently he does the Batman voice even when talking to people that know who he is because Batman is such a different personality in his mind. Apparently you can hook Bruce Wayne up to a lie detector and have him answer "no, I'm not Batman" because the personalities are so completely separated.
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1. When the Joker crashes the Harvey Dent fundraiser at Bruce's place, Batman ends up jumping off the balcony to save Rachel. So what happens with the Joker still upstairs? Does he rob everyone? Kill people at random? Or does he just say "Well.... bye!"
2. I know, it's a movie, you're supposed to suspend your disbelief for the duration. But when the Joker blows up the hospital, it's not just one big bomb, it's a somewhat controlled detonation across the entire hospital. I know he has a tremendous amount of cash, and has an uncanny ability to pull off capers, but you're telling me that the Joker, or his minions, were able to plant ALL those explosives around the hospital and not be discovered, either in the act or after they were planted?
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What really bothered me was, how come every phone in Gotham could do that sonar thing. Did everyone buy new phones? Otherwise, I find it really hard to believe the technology was preexisting in the majority of phones to do that.
More than that, I was wondering 'Does every badguy in the skyscraper have a cellphone? Even if they did by the time it was just the Joker and Bats, the Joker certainly didn't have one.
Edited because I can't work out what colour to make that and y'all have seen it by now anyway.
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Didn't the Joker have a cell phone? I thought he was on the phone at some point in the film?
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Now that you mention that I'm wondering if he did after all... I'm going to use the 'knives and lint' defense and assume he took the phone from an underling.
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Didn't the Joker have a cell phone? I thought he was on the phone at some point in the film?
He called the "my insides hurt" guy in the prison with a borrowed phone, I don't know what he did with it after that.
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He had a phone as the remote detonator for Gotham General as well.
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Speaking of trailers and how they are bad/questionable, I believe we can all agree that the Watchmen trailer is basically like treasure, right?
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Speaking of trailers and how they are bad/questionable, I believe we can all agree that the Watchmen trailer is basically like treasure, right?
I wonder if they're going to do a broader-audience trailer. Because this trailer was clearly meant to say, "hey people already familiar with the comic! There's a movie now!" But to somebody who had never read it the trailer was basically incomprehensible
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Yeah, I don't know what your average movie goer could take away from that. 'So there's a bunch of blue guys? I guess they're aliens, and there's a dude with a flamethrower, he looks like a badguy too and there's another bad guy with a mask, maybe he's the one who got all burnt in that machine at the beginning? And there's a batman rip-off, maybe it's a parody?'
I wonder if they (they being people like Zach Snyder, the creators as opposed to the suits) actually expect it to turn a profit? Just getting this made and made properly is an achievement in itself, maybe this is the big budget equivalent of the arthouse movie that no one expects to see any money on that Snyder's does his crowd pleasing blockbusters to fund.
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I don't know, though.
It is waaaaaaaay too long a story than to be reasonably shrunk to a feature film length without cutting out essential plot points...
And I am very very suspect of that goddamned "Sin City" seizure-vision flicker CGI-bullshit filmmaking style.
I want to love this movie so much because I love that book so much but... I dunno.
(I am supposed to play The Owl, goddamnit.)
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Speaking of trailers and how they are bad/questionable, I believe we can all agree that the Watchmen trailer is basically like treasure, right?
Right. I have been having fun showing it to people who don't know nothing about comics. I love how they assume that Doc Manhattan is the villain, and that they always think Nite Owl is Batman...
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I think there are already videos up that help explain things like the alternate history to people who haven't read the book. Because there's a lot of stuff the movie is going to have to gloss over to fit into 3 hours.
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I think there are already videos up that help explain things like the alternate history to people who haven't read the book. Because there's a lot of stuff the movie is going to have to gloss over to fit into 3 hours.
My understanding is they're going to have alternate universe news reels over the opening credits to bring people up to speed, we'll see how it works I guess.
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I reallly liked it. But, loser that I am, I am more of a Superman fan.
Also, I LOVE movie trailers. The one for the new Star Trek movie, for example-- I almost peed my ******.
but really-- the Prisoner's Dilemma thing rubbed me the wrong way.
Because to me, what it seemed to be saying is, "the majority of people know what they need to do, but they are too chickenshit to do it. Instead, they will not act, and they will get saved by Batman."
I don't know. Maybe I'm fooling myself. But when it's more than your own life-- when it's a bunch of innocent children and families-- you lose your high moral standards or nonviolence or whatever and you do whatever it takes to save those people. Saving half of the lives is better than none, and you only have control of your own switch. So you switch it.
That is what I was thinking, anyway.
Maybe you're willing to sacrifice yourself for your morals. Fine. But you don't sacrifice other people's children.
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Of course you're assuming that the remotes really were controlling the opposite ships, which, knowing the Joker, I doubt.
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yeah, I thought about that a lot. But it seems like the most breakdown of society would be caused by broadly showing that some random citizens were willing to kill than... just killing them.
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Of course you're assuming that the remotes really were controlling the opposite ships, which, knowing the Joker, I doubt.
Fantastic. That really hadn't occurred to me, even after seeing how the Joker sent Batman to save the "wrong" person after the interrogation scene. It would have been bloody delicious to see this happen, and it would have sunk/elevated the already sadistic "social experiment" to another level of cruelty/"education".
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Fantastic. That really hadn't occurred to me, even after seeing how the Joker sent Batman to save the "wrong" person after the interrogation scene. It would have been bloody delicious to see this happen, and it would have sunk/elevated the already sadistic "social experiment" to another level of cruelty/"education".
If I may quote a great man, "just when you think you have all the answers I change the questions!"
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Better but not necessarily as applicable quotes from that man:
"Would you like a pineapple? It's just like your island women, all bushy on top and round on the bottom!"
I have a sudden but very powerful urge to hit you in the face with a coconut.
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I finally watched this movie last night and thought it sucked pretty hard. I can suspend disbelief with the best of them, but there has to be some basis in reality.
Given the way the Joker treated his henchmen I found it impossible to believe he could get anyone to work for him at all much less woo the kind of skilled people it would take to pull off the impossible pranks he mounted. Do you have any idea how long it would take to rig an entire hospital with explosives... in secrecy? And we are to believe he did it in an hours time? How did he do it? Did he use his super crazy power?
That's probably the worst offense, but pretty much every scene had me shaking my head. I just found it impossible to believe that these characters were capable of doing the things they were doing.
I mean c'mon, nobody noticed that the police honor guard had been replaced by hoodlums, one of which had a clowns face? 's funny 'cos after watching TDK I watched Von Ryan's Express in which a group of American and English prisoners in Italy during WWII were being transported by train. They were able to kill their captors and take control of the train. One of the most tense scenes in the movie is when they had to pass through the train station in Bologna.
Now that was some good story telling. Not like some bullshit movie that asks you to completely give up your power to reason in order to enjoy it.
I did think Heath Ledger was good. Not Oscar worthy, unless this was a particularly weak year for the supporting actor category, but I enjoyed his performance.
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I can suspend disbelief with the best of them, but there has to be some basis in reality.
I'm a little more forgiving when a movie title starts with "Batman."
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I prefer movies that don't need to be forgiven.
But I think what you are saying is we know it's dumb and makes no sense so just shut up and watch shit blow up. In that case my review is meh, I've seen better.
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Comic book movie = "check your brain at the door".
Ooooh! Flashing lights!
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Can you imagine what Tony Stark must smell like after he's flown back from the Middle East in that suit?
Current wisdom suggests rancid asparagus.
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Comic book movie = "check your brain at the door".
Ah, I think I get it now. So it's kinda like watching a Tyler Perry flick then.
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No no no.
Everything in The Dark Knight makes sense because The Joker is just that badass. It's all rule of badass. The Joker can pull off implausable things because he's charismatically crazy in the same manner such as David Koresh or ol' Chuck Manson, duping the criminals with force of will and snowing the normals because he's doing things that are so out there that the normals are almost blind to it, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas style.
Tyler Perry exists because he's the only person out there bankrolling middlebrow feel-good lower-middle-class pap bullshit that's specifically created to the African American market. There's mountains of this stuff out there for fuck*ng complacent suburban twits of the Caucasian persuasion, "Wild Hogs" "Practicial Magic" whatever the fuck you wanna point out, and so the financial effectiveness is past the point of marginal utility and, anyway, we're so flooded with it that we don't even notice it.
But Tyler Perry's the only dude out there slinging that kind of namby-pamby warm-and-feely soulnumbing hossshit with mostly black casts and so he has the entire market cornered for people who are into safe uninteresting heart-stringy SUV-owning drek... but wanna see it acted out by people with their same skintone for some reason.
It's the same thing with braindead poorly constructed "girl power but actually totally mainstream by the end" crap put out for ladies who think that the women on "Friends" were "just like them only prettier!" and so on. The "Waiting to Exhale" woman figured out that this sort of thing was underserved for women of colour and now she can fuck*ng print money with a machine out of broadly applied stereotypes and hackneyed tales that are somehow "new" because of swapping in actresses of African descent.
So there we are.
The Joker = Rule of Awesome
Tyler Perry = Rule of Underserved Mediocrity
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But Tyler Perry's the only dude out there slinging that kind of namby-pamby warm-and-feely soulnumbing hossshit with mostly black casts and so he has the entire market cornered for people who are into safe uninteresting heart-stringy SUV-owning drek... but wanna see it acted out by people with their same skintone for some reason.
What about Martin Lawrence?
The Dark Knight didn't make sense in many parts but I generally didn't notice until afterwards, so I don't care. Suspending my disbelief during the film is all it needs to do to entertain.
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What about Martin Lawrence?
The long-standing stand-up comedy tradition of "whoring until you're so broke that you have to put on a suit and play a fat lady".
There are powerful strange people in the entertainment industry who are sexually attracted to guys dressing up like fat ladies.
These people find out what vices successful stand-ups are into and provide them with those vices until they're so broke that they have to accept roles in fat-lady suits.
And then they masturbate in the finest leather chairs you can possibly imagine, watching the fruits of their corruptions.
This is what happened to Martin Lawrence, Eddie Murphy, Tyler Perry and... I mean... probably George Carlin too and they just banned the film.
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LFM gets a can for cynicism and paranoia that makes the world a slightly better place.
Except for that bit about Carlin. If he ever whored he did it properly, and probably bit it off while he was down there.